Where is.....

[DThomas]

Jesus man! Like what? I'm not aware of too many weapons that can literally cut a man in half from a 1000 yards away....well, not anything non-military anyway.

Funny you should mention military. I might have access to a towed 90mm Howitzer, maybe.....

 

[Jim O]

Funny you should mention military. I might have access to a towed 90mm Howitzer, maybe.....

Something tells me there are laws to protect me from you...or there ought to be.

 

[Dr Owens]

Something tells me there are laws to protect me from you...or there ought to be.

LOL!

 

[nicolai]

Funny you should mention military. I might have access to a towed 90mm Howitzer, maybe.....

Would you be using H.E. rounds or bouncing betties???

 

[DThomas]

Something tells me there are laws to protect me from you...or there ought to be.

There are and everything I do is perfectly legal...hehe

Would you be using H.E. rounds or bouncing betties???

H.E. of course!

 

[coyote]

My God! This thread wanders around like a drunkard.

 

[nicolai]

Did you ever have one of those drawers in the kitchen where just about everything got thrown in?? We call ours the "JUNK Drawer". Well thats sorta discribes this thread, a little bit of everything, contains pretty much nothing of particular value and nobody cares what happens to anything in it because theres nothing important in it anyway.

 

[Dr Owens]

contains pretty much nothing of particular value and nobody cares what happens to anything in it because theres nothing important in it anyway.

I disagree. I thought that there were some very interesting revelations about a few people in this thread. Not that I was particularly surprised by those revelations...

 

[nicolai]

this thread may have pissed a few people off and might have confused people a bit and even chased 1 or two out of here but there is 1 bit of good news...I just saved a fortune by switching to geiko!!!!


One thing is for sure, atleast this thread turned out good with a few laughs in the end. I for one thought it was headed down to the depths.

Plus we learned 1 thing from this thread, A frontal assault will never work on rich or dennis with all those weapons, best to try with a sneaky flanking maneuver and hit'em before they know your coming!!!!

 

[coyote]

I for two nicolai.
Your injection of some humor is a great relief.

 

[WebSlave]

Sorry about making a serious relief to the comic relief here. But I read this post earlier, but didn't have time to respond to it. I am sorry, but I feel pretty strongly that it DOES need responding to. There may be others, so please bear with me..

There are times when I know I should keep my mouth shut (or my fingers from typing), but I simply can't. This is one of those times.

Who am I to disagree with that!

First of all, I can't buy the Rozann/Wes conspiracy theory. It doesn't add up based on what I know of both of them. If that makes me "unable to read what this thread is actually portraying", then so be it. I can't believe that Wes Pollack would manipulate anyone to donate $1,000 for his return here. I don't believe that Rozann was manipulated by Wes or anyone else. I also don't see that she "decided to blatantly lie throughout this thread".

Oh really? You mean like even starting off the thread with a lie wasn't really a lie? Wes is incapable of being behind something like this? Wes would never be vindictive or antagonistic (cough -Neil, Anaconda Al, Dennis1, etc., etc., etc., etc.,etc.,etc.,etc.,etc.,etc.,etc..........)? Never would THINK about trying to get in the last word? Gee, I guess you know Wes in a different way then I have seen him here. He has NEVER been one to give up a feud. Ever. And you don't believe he harbors some resentment about getting booted off of here? As for the donation thingy, no I do not believe the $1,000 donation was his idea at all, but I FIRMLY believe Rozann starting this thread had his hand behind it. And I also believe a minor campaign got started to try to get Wes let back on here solely to respond to this thread, which I denied.

Read her statement again, please:

WES?????? I haven't seen him on here and I checked the members list and he is not on there. How can one be taken off a member list with all of his threads?
I checked suspended, but all his fines have been paid, somewhere along the lines I missed something huge!!!!!!
Let discuss this sound off style.

Do you REALLY believe that Rozann didn't know what had happened? Do you really believe that she couldn't have just contacted Wes directly, or perhaps any one of a number of other people she knows who frequent this site? No?? That wouldn't have worked? Instead she had to come on to this site and post a thread HERE to get that question answered? Well if it were really a question, why the statement about discussing it "sound off style"? What was the purpose of that? Simply to get an answer to her "question" about what it is that she missed? Wasn't this whole thread started under a lie that she says she doesn't know what happened to Wes here? Wasn't the suggestion about "sound off style" a suggestion for something more then just an answer to her question? Now why would she have assumed that such a thing was going to be forthcoming, much less requested that way?

Sorry, but I am astonished, and I mean REALLY ASTONISHED, that anyone would swallow that baited hook.

I think that Rozann gave a plausible explanation for the hosting situation. Maybe it's because I am familiar with Roz's absence from the forums for the last several months that I just don't find it unreasonable that she started the thread to get some answers about Wes.

Sorry, I must have missed that "plausible explanation" even though I have looked several times. There are some jumble thoughts offered that have no coherency at all, much less any credibility. Even if the possibility does exist that Wes could not contact Rozann, I think it is damned far fetched to think that Rozann could not have contacted HIM, and instead just out of the blue decided to come onto this site, try to seek out Wes's name in the list of members and then not finding him, post this thread about it. All spontaneously? Just a shot in the dark her coming here to seek out Wes's name and then instead of trying to contact ANYONE else here, even Wes himself about it, decides instead to post this thread with the admonition to discuss it "sound off style". Yep, sure all sounds like an innocent coincidence to me. How about you?

I know, I know, I know...I'm welcome to leave if I don't like the way it's run here, everybody has a choice, etc. etc. It's quite aggravating to consistently read that, because it insinuates that members here aren't aware of their ability to leave. They are. Sometimes they simply want to express their opinion because they believe it to be intelligent or worth consideration.

If you think you are tired of hearing it, just think how tired I am of having to say it to people who can't seem to grasp that concept. Let me say it one more time to try to get it to sink in:

I have to make some changes to this site now and again that I believe are necessary. Some people may disagree with them, and perhaps strongly enough that they will basically create an ultimatum. Change it back or they will leave. That is your choice to make, but when you feel strongly enough about it that way, then simply cease with the badgering me about it and just leave. I EXPECT to have some people leave whenever I make a change. because in most cases I am making the changes BECAUSE of someone's (or multiple persons) actions or activities here. It could very well be that the changes I made are done SPECIFICALLY to get them to leave.

How many times do you think I have heard the same arguments over and over again, and from the same people? At some point, the "expressing their opinion" does tend to cross the line to become badgering and harassment. Maybe even "trolling" if you get right down to it. So tell me, why is it perfectly OK for people to continually badger me about these decisions I have made yet NOT okay for me to answer them in the same way I previously answered them? I'm a little confused about the division of "rights" here that we are talking about.

 

[DAND]

Okay then...

Yes, you are correct. I didn't HAVE to read your thread. All I needed to do was to look at the poll you created in it to know it was not BOI material. And no I did not read any further in that thread and had no desire to do so. It was deservedly moved to the HELL forum and you got a warning point for it.

Sorry you are experiencing such a strong case of paranoia here.

Paranoia, no. You just confirmed for all to see that you made a judgment without knowing all the facts.

You can read the cover of the book and know the whole story huh? Your seemingly god-like powers of perception should have known from the first post that this thread was not what it was claiming to be. Yet, for some reason this thread has been allowed to drag on, and on, and on, and on, and on… well you get my point.

So let’s see here;

Posting quotes that someone else made equals stalking and harassing them.

Stating facts equals paranoia, stalking and harassing.

The ever popular, I have too much time on my hands.

Let’s not forget the term “any” means something other then just that. I guess the disclaimer of “unless Rich sees it differently”, didn’t show up when the rules were posted.

This forum is designed to serve the purpose of giving anyone interested in the buying and selling of herptile related merchandise the opportunity to inquire about, or find already existing information concerning a person or business with whom they are considering doing business with. This is NOT the place for flame wars of any kind. Statements, rebuttals and clarifications of FACTS are what we are looking for. Personal slurs or heated discusssions about someone's ancestry will not be tolerated. Opinions are acceptable as long as it is PLAINLY stated that you are stating an opinion. Facts are: dates, value of transactions, actual quoted conversations, and the like. Opinons are: YOUR interpretations of motives, business practices or impressions of the person with whom you had conversations with. Keep these FIRMLY in mind when you are posting your message.

Proof is optional, but recommended if you would like to remove any doubts about the truth of what you are posting. But this is purely up to you, just as the believability of what you post is purely up to the reader of your words.

This will need to be in a format that will allow a reader to quickly find what they are looking for. Topic lines should display the name of the person or business that the message is concerning. Please make it easier on the readers by letting them know whom or what your message is about without having to open it to find out.

Optionally, something like (BAD GUY), (INQUIRY), (INFO), or (GOOD GUY) can follow the name. Something like: Joe Blow's Bargain Basement Bullets (GOOD GUY). Simply stating something like "Avoid this guy!" on the topic line is completely useless as it requires someone to open your message just to see what in the world you are griping about.

If used, the labels will be designated as the following definitions:
· (BAD GUY) - someone or some business that should be avoided. Provide FACTS supporting this opinion.
· (GOOD GUY) - someone or some business that you are recommending. Reasons are not required, but an example of your experience would be helpful.
· (INQUIRY) - you are looking for information on the listed person or business. Perhaps you are considering doing business with them and would like some feedback.
· (INFO) - this can be information of any sort about the person or business. Not necessarily good nor bad, could be something along the line of your hearing they got in a shipment of something of interest recently.

Had my post been read beyond the poll it would have been seen I was providing information to others who were not aware of what was going on (obviously by your claims, you are one of said persons).

Guess the rules don’t apply to everyone huh? How’d I get so lucky to get such special treatment?

So tell me, why is it perfectly OK for people to continually badger me about these decisions I have made yet NOT okay for me to answer them in the same way I previously answered them? I'm a little confused about the division of "rights" here that we are talking about.

Maybe if you were clear when answering instead of the seemingly obfuscation you appear to enjoy providing at times. You make claims that people are looking for the lines in which to tread, not to cross, yet you seem to constantly find loop holes in which justify your actions or lack there of. Guess it helps being the author of said rules huh?

 

[ms_terese]

Wes is incapable of being behind something like this?

Incapable, no. Inspired, no. Wes doesn't have a bee in his bonnet over this. Believe it or not, I've not heard one negative peep from Wes about FC or you, Rich. As a matter of fact, Wes still stands behind FC as a good site when asked by others.

Do you REALLY believe that Rozann didn't know what had happened?

Let's see, Roz stated that she asked Lucille, and Lucille refused to tell her what had happened with Wes. Since Lucille hasn't denied this statement, which I think she would have done in a moment if it were false, I don't doubt that. Now, if I'd been gone for several months, then got in touch with someone and said "Hey, how's Luna?" and the response was "Not on anymore." but refused to give details, it's not inconceivable that I'd figure there was quite a story and would open it up to find out what happened. See, the thing is, while I'm not personal friends with Rozann, I've chatted with her online, we've done a small amount of business, and I've read her posts for quite awhile. I know that she was a staunch supporter of FC as well as YOU know that, Rich. So she has a solid track record of being honest and ethical, and I don't know of any motive. I don't think that someone making posts I wish they hadn't made is reason to assume they're lying.

Sorry, but I am astonished, and I mean REALLY ASTONISHED, that anyone would swallow that baited hook.

Then you're going to be REALLY astonished, because I am by far not the only person to believe her.

Even if the possibility does exist that Wes could not contact Rozann, I think it is damned far fetched to think that Rozann could not have contacted HIM, and instead just out of the blue decided to come onto this site, try to seek out Wes's name in the list of members and then not finding him, post this thread about it. All spontaneously? Just a shot in the dark her coming here to seek out Wes's name and then instead of trying to contact ANYONE else here, even Wes himself about it, decides instead to post this thread with the admonition to discuss it "sound off style".

If you were going to contact Wes, where would you come? HERE. Again, she said she contacted Lucille first, but Lucille wouldn't answer when asked about Wes & Fauna. I don't think it's much of a stretch to think that Lucille would answer that inquiry coyly, do you?

How many times do you think I have heard the same arguments over and over again, and from the same people? At some point, the "expressing their opinion" does tend to cross the line to become badgering and harassment. Maybe even "trolling" if you get right down to it. So tell me, why is it perfectly OK for people to continually badger me about these decisions I have made yet NOT okay for me to answer them in the same way I previously answered them?

Rich, people are going to say what they think, whether its for or against the way this site is run. Not once, EVER, have I argued , badgered or harassed over your authority, your rules or their enforcement. Have I always agreed? It's irrelevant. It's not my site. I choose to come here, and every time I choose to come here I follow the rules. It's obvious that I find value in the site, or I wouldn't show up.

As to this thread, it shouldn't have been an argument. You don't have to justify your actions: YOU OWN THE PLACE! The rules are there. If people disagree, they can argue amongst themselves. If there is disagreement about the application of the rules, let them disagree amongst themselves. Do you truly believe it's doing any good to try to explain your stance in these forums? It invites arguments, makes you frustrated, and the inevitable "you can leave" comes up. Just as it is more acceptable for people who truly want to leave this site to silently do so, it is more acceptable for you to let the rants rant without your input. They'll die down more quickly. If you think these folks are trolls, stop feeding them.

 

[Chris@TSE]

it just never ends here.............. big surprise

 

[Lucille]

Again, she said she contacted Lucille first, but Lucille wouldn't answer when asked about Wes & Fauna. QUOTE]


When Rozann and I talked, she had already read the complete thread leading to Wes' ban and was aware of its contents, and knew why he was not on Fauna. I did not in fact tell her; but she already knew.

 

[WebSlave]

Paranoia, no. You just confirmed for all to see that you made a judgment without knowing all the facts.

You can read the cover of the book and know the whole story huh? Your seemingly god-like powers of perception should have known from the first post that this thread was not what it was claiming to be. Yet, for some reason this thread has been allowed to drag on, and on, and on, and on, and on… well you get my point.

So let’s see here;

Posting quotes that someone else made equals stalking and harassing them.

Stating facts equals paranoia, stalking and harassing.

The ever popular, I have too much time on my hands.

Let’s not forget the term “any” means something other then just that. I guess the disclaimer of “unless Rich sees it differently”, didn’t show up when the rules were posted.



Had my post been read beyond the poll it would have been seen I was providing information to others who were not aware of what was going on (obviously by your claims, you are one of said persons).

Guess the rules don’t apply to everyone huh? How’d I get so lucky to get such special treatment?



Maybe if you were clear when answering instead of the seemingly obfuscation you appear to enjoy providing at times. You make claims that people are looking for the lines in which to tread, not to cross, yet you seem to constantly find loop holes in which justify your actions or lack there of. Guess it helps being the author of said rules huh?

Dave. You were engaged in stalking another member here that you had been fighting with in other threads on this site. YOU decided you wanted to carry that tussle into the BOI for you own personal vendetta and had absolutely no altruistic motive in mind at all. As far as I could see you never had any business relationship with Dennis, and never intended to so all your thread was designed to do was to stir up crap.

This is the kind of crap that my tightening down on the rules is intending to end, regardless of your thoughts or feelings on the matter. If you want to engage in stalking behavior and try to spread your little fights all over this site then you are going to get yourself into progressively hotter water here. I really don't care about people's personal spats that they have with other members. I don't care who you dislike. But you are NOT going to use this site to futher such juvenile playground-like mannerisms.

The judgment I made concerning your thread was based on all of the facts I needed to know in order to make that decision.

Yes, I make the rules here, I interpret them as I see fit, and I enforce them however I want to. This does not need to meet your approval for it to be a fact.

 

[WebSlave]

If you were going to contact Wes, where would you come? HERE. Again, she said she contacted Lucille first, but Lucille wouldn't answer when asked about Wes & Fauna. I don't think it's much of a stretch to think that Lucille would answer that inquiry coyly, do you?

Sorry, but I just flat out don't believe that for an instant. It is pretty obvious that Rozann has Wes's phone number and email address. To think that she would not try to contact Wes directly if there was some concern, and to try to get right to the horse's mouth about the situation is absolutely ludicrous, much less downright unbelievable. Rozann's opening statement in this thread is just flat out obvious that she knew exactly what was going on when she typed it. Even if that message had been typed out in braille, it would still be obvious for those who needed to read it that way.

As for Lucille, I don't know what took place in the conversation, and it is irrelevant to what I can see in what Rozann wrote. You can believe whatever you like about your friend Rozann, but the simple fact of the matter is that Rozann started this thread off on a lie, pretending she did not already know what had happened with Wes, and apparently could not break out of that mode of lying all along this entire thread. The whole purpose of this thread was a brazen attempt at trolling to work people up into a frenzy. If the stance you choose to support flies in the face of the evidence, then that is certainly your choice to make. But quite frankly there is not a chance in hell that you will convince me that you are correct, based on everything that is plain to see within this thread.

As to this thread, it shouldn't have been an argument. You don't have to justify your actions: YOU OWN THE PLACE! The rules are there. If people disagree, they can argue amongst themselves. If there is disagreement about the application of the rules, let them disagree amongst themselves. Do you truly believe it's doing any good to try to explain your stance in these forums? It invites arguments, makes you frustrated, and the inevitable "you can leave" comes up. Just as it is more acceptable for people who truly want to leave this site to silently do so, it is more acceptable for you to let the rants rant without your input. They'll die down more quickly. If you think these folks are trolls, stop feeding them.

Rozann's goal in starting this thread was to GET into an argument. How black and white do you need that to be? And you honestly think things would be much better if I just allowed lies of this sort to just fester without being addressed? You yourself are basically saying that Lucille is guilty as charged because she did NOT reply to the accusations. Isn't what you are saying now directly contradictory to what you said earlier? You are basically saying I would be better off just letting the pure fanciful crap that some people come up with here just stand as being the truth because I should choose to allow it to stand as the only side of a discussion? Yet you are condemning Lucille for not answering Rozann's charge and taking Rozann's statements at face value without argument. Which under the circumstances, appears to be false:

When Rozann and I talked, she had already read the complete thread leading to Wes' ban and was aware of its contents, and knew why he was not on Fauna. I did not in fact tell her; but she already knew.

Regardless, it is PLAINLY obvious that Rozann knew perfectly well what was going on when she started this thread. And yes, I AM astonished that some people cannot see that. And yes, for THOSE people I do sometimes feel compelled to try to spell it out for them when it is obvious they cannot see it for themselves.

Sorry, but I disagree with your suggestion that I allow lies to remain unchallenged. Maybe it's just the "teacher" inside me trying to get out, but I do try to educate people. I do realize that with some people it is an extreme waste of my time and effort, but I hope for at least some of the others it does help for them to see a truer picture then simply allowing a one sided view would allow. Aggravating to me? Certainly, but necessary, I think.

 

[Dr Owens]

Paranoia, no. You just confirmed for all to see that you made a judgment without knowing all the facts.

You can read the cover of the book and know the whole story huh? Your seemingly god-like powers of perception should have known from the first post that this thread was not what it was claiming to be. Yet, for some reason this thread has been allowed to drag on, and on, and on, and on, and on… well you get my point.

So let’s see here;

Posting quotes that someone else made equals stalking and harassing them.

Stating facts equals paranoia, stalking and harassing.

The ever popular, I have too much time on my hands.

Let’s not forget the term “any” means something other then just that. I guess the disclaimer of “unless Rich sees it differently”, didn’t show up when the rules were posted.



Had my post been read beyond the poll it would have been seen I was providing information to others who were not aware of what was going on (obviously by your claims, you are one of said persons).

Guess the rules don’t apply to everyone huh? How’d I get so lucky to get such special treatment?



Maybe if you were clear when answering instead of the seemingly obfuscation you appear to enjoy providing at times. You make claims that people are looking for the lines in which to tread, not to cross, yet you seem to constantly find loop holes in which justify your actions or lack there of. Guess it helps being the author of said rules huh?

David,
This is ludacris! No one needed to read your entire post in order to see that it was most definitely NOT a BOI topic. Your post was reported to the mods by five different people as being hugely inappropriate for the BOI. In fact, when I responded to the reports I was getting ready to give you warning points and remove the topic myself (without reading it all, because that would have been a ridiculous waste of my time) when I realized that Rich had already handled it.

Further, I would venture to guess that you would be pretty hard pressed to find one other member of this site that would agree with you that your topic was appropriate for the BOI. The people who posted prior to your topic being moved to Hell most certainly took exception to it's appropriateness.

For you to call Rich out for somehow treating you unfairly is obtuse to the point of painful.

 

[Chris@TSE]

can't we all just get along?

 

[WebSlave]

can't we all just get along?

We ARE getting along. I think the only one who got warning points in this thread was Rozann. And that was for blatant profanity. So at least people are not getting TOO carried away.