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    In short, DON'T! Email notices are to ONLY alert you of a reply to your private message or your ad on this site. Replying to the email just wastes your time as it goes NOWHERE, and probably pisses off the person you thought you replied to when they think you just ignored them. So instead of complaining to me about your messages not being replied to from this site via email, please READ that email notice that plainly states what you need to do in order to reply to who you are trying to converse with.

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    Yeah, I know. They are a pain in the butt. But they pay the bills to keep my server running. Just a fact of life, I am afraid.

    Want to get rid of them? Simple. Just become a Contributor level member or above and they will be gone. -> Please click HERE."

    Is that too much for me to ask of you to keep this site running? Well, sorry about that. I too wish I could get everything for free. But alas.....

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    Google Adsense ad revenue for December, 2025 was just $30 over the cost of the lease for the server running this site. So, in effect, the money providing the incentive for me to continue running this site is coming SOLELY from the paid memberships and sponsorships here. Which honestly ain't much....

Where is.....

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Rich, I think you should point out your new rule to the people here about suspended/banned members (proxy rule) as only those of us that are hell members are aware of it as of yet that I am aware of. Reason being someone else my post something here without knowing the reprocussions.

I dont remember who said it (dr. owens-Dthomas) about beating a dead horse here, but i think we have officially hooked the horse up to the back of the tractor and are now dragging it behind.
 
nicolai said:
Rich, I think you should point out your new rule to the people here about suspended/banned members (proxy rule) as only those of us that are hell members are aware of it as of yet that I am aware of. Reason being someone else my post something here without knowing the reprocussions.

Yep, another one of those situations where I have to throw yet another rule into the pile. But just for the record, it is advisable for everyone to review the rules (they can be found in the FAQ section under General Forum Usage. There really is no way for me to get the word out to everyone about changes in the TOS here, and that may certainly happen from time to time.


Acting as a proxy for a banned/suspended member - 10 points
When someone is suspended or banned from this site, that means they are not allowed to participate within the forums at all. There may be rare occasions where someone may be granted permission to post something from them, but that will be few and far between, and will not be granted retroactively. No one is allowed to act as a gobetween and post anything from them anywhere on this site.



nicolai said:
I dont remember who said it (dr. owens-Dthomas) about beating a dead horse here, but i think we have officially hooked the horse up to the back of the tractor and are now dragging it behind.

No I disagree. This is a zombie horse that keeps rising from the dead. There are actually other posts made in it that I guess I should also reply to, but I'm not certain I will. Maybe I will forget about them before I find the time to address them. I think one of the members here threatened me, but I'm not sure... :reddevil:
 
But just for the record, it is advisable for everyone to review the rules (they can be found in the FAQ section under General Forum Usage.

Correction, Should Read:

But just for the record, it is advisable for everyone to review the rules weekly (they can be found in the FAQ section under General Forum Usage.

:rofl: :raspberry :rofl: :raspberry :rofl: :raspberry
 
WebSlave said:
I think one of the members here threatened me, but I'm not sure... :reddevil:

"Are you threatening me?"
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WebSlave said:
I think one of the members here threatened me, but I'm not sure... :reddevil:

All right who else besides me was real curious about this comment and wasted thier time going back and rereading most of the dead/dragging/zombie horse thread as i couldnt find anything?

Chris>that was hysterical!!!!
 
not I.....

I was spending my time more constructively. Watching the Bills lose. lol
 
Chris@TSE said:
Correction, Should Read:

But just for the record, it is advisable for everyone to review the rules weekly (they can be found in the FAQ section under General Forum Usage.

:rofl: :raspberry :rofl: :raspberry :rofl: :raspberry

Yes Chris, for you that may certainly be a good idea.... :reddevil:
 
Since a good portion of this thread had a lot to do concerning myself, this site, and how I run it, does anyone have any strong objections to me moving it to the FaunaClassifieds Feedback Forum? I think that would be a more appropriate place for it to reside. At that time (or regardless) I will be locking this thread and putting it out of my mind.
 
Why...

WebSlave said:
Since a good portion of this thread had a lot to do concerning myself, this site, and how I run it, does anyone have any strong objections to me moving it to the FaunaClassifieds Feedback Forum? I think that would be a more appropriate place for it to reside. At that time (or regardless) I will be locking this thread and putting it out of my mind.

Why close it? I'm still working on a reply (kinda busy though, guess the too much time on my hands assumption was another missed mark).
 
Dont lock it rich, return of the "zombie horse 3" is ready for release.
 
there will always be another unfortunately........................
 
DAND said:
Why close it? I'm still working on a reply (kinda busy though, guess the too much time on my hands assumption was another missed mark).

Well gee, that certainly gives me incentive to leave it open! :rofl: Well look on the bright side, my closing it may save you from more warning points.... :hehe:

The original topic matter is no longer relevant, as the original poster is no longer with us. All this developed into was a big bash fest which I believe now needs to end.

This thread is closed and in case you haven't noticed yet, moved to the FaunaClassifieds Feedback forum.
 
The ZOMBIE horse rises again...........

OK, I caught wind of that message in this thread that Rozann posted that contained a private email I sent to Wes Pollock being passed around the net. I deleted it instantly (without reading it) when I saw that it was from Wes (who is banned) and Rozann had not asked to be able to pass through messages from him on this site. Not sure who is painting it with a damning paint brush, but I think I could hazard a pretty good guess. Someone was kind enough to forward it on to me, so I am going to go ahead an post it here, for those who may not be on the troll line and got it already:

serpenco <[email protected]> wrote:

Heck, I'm just disappointed, that's all. I always treated Dan as a confidant and asked his opinions about things. I thought for certain his level headedness would see that I was painted into a corner and there really was no way out other then the path I took. I can't remember the exact details of what he suggested (there were a LOT of them), but I believe he was insisting that I could make this work by simply charging for the classifieds. I may be wrong about this, so bear with me. Quite frankly, I just did not agree with that. The classifieds just were not pulling the kind of traffic needed to get people willing to pay to use it. That was the flat out truth of the matter. I tested the waters with those $1 per hit highlighting options and I did not even make enough money off of it to pay for the programming time to have it implemented. It was cheap, very easy to do, and completely under-utilized. So charging people a fee just to use the classifieds would have been the kiss of death for the classifieds section completely. I'm sure some people will disagree with that, but I just had to go with my gut feelings. I'm the one who would catch the shit rolling downhill if I chose wrong on this. There was no malice on my part rejecting ANYONE's suggestions. Matter of fact, I had sincerely hoped someone would come up with something that I had not even thought of. I had been running this thing through my mind for YEARS simply as a solution for the garbage logons in the BOI. I knew that until I could bring that under control, the BOI was never really going to get over the hump as far as credibility goes. I was groping for some way to solve that problem, but just never really felt people would pay to do that, so I just kept it on the back burner. It wasn't until I hit bottom and realized that I just DIDN'T want to do this any longer without some suitable compensation that I figured I would kill two birds with this one stone. It solved both problems nicely, in my opinion.



Yes, I would have let the site fade into oblivion, if that is the way people chose it. And no, I would not have been happy at all at seeing all of my hard work go down the drain after all this time. That's why I was so tightly wrapped about it. I was having to make decisions that could make or break the site. That is not any easy thing for anyone to do. I took the criticism personally, because hell, it WAS personal. It was MY site, and MY decisions! Why wouldn't I feel they were personal attacks? I had people telling me that I OWED it to everyone to do this for free. Had people suggest getting cheaper servers and THAT would solve the problems. And they were getting PERSONALLY pissed at me because I told them, that their suggestions just would not work, or no, I disagree with their assessment. And then Dan jumps right in there with that same crowd using the same arguments.





Oh, about Jay Owens. Damn it, Wes, I don't know what to do. Yes, I agree that Jay is a problem. It really irks me that he really doesn't do anything to support the site and just seems to flit in now and again. But how do I demand of someone to put more time and effort into a free endeavor? Being a moderator is a real bucket of shit on that site. Those guys catch a lot of flak, get death threads, email bombed and all kinds of crap. For what? To help me with my site and I'm going to kick them in the teeth and tell them to give me even more? How the hell do I do that without sounding like a 24 carat prick? Ken Harbart is going through some personal turmoil, as is Dennis Thomas. Both of them aren't really putting in that much more time then Jay has lately. But am I supposed to fault them for having their personal lives get in the way? I know Jay has said he is really tied up with re-entering his practice and last I heard his father was suffering from some severe medical problems. I'm sorry, but I just can't beat up on these guys because someone may think they need to put in more effort then they are seeing.



As far as Robin vs Jay Owens goes, quite honestly she deserves it. She is purposely abrasive, loves to rub people the wrong way, and doesn't have a lick of common courtesy. I have wanted to boot her ass off of the site so many times I have lost count.. So how can I realistically say to Jay, "Hey, I think you are being to harsh on Robin." I really don't believe it for an instant. I look at those reported posts, and quite honestly, Jay merely assesses the points before I would have gotten to them and done the same exact thing. Robin just practically needs her own personal moderator.



Then there is Lucille. What the heck do people have against her, anyway? She is by far putting more effort into promoting my site then any 10 other people combined. And yet people are beating her up over it. Yeah, she does hit a wrong chord sometimes, but getting it right 9 times out of 10 shouldn't have people pissing all over her for that one time she goes a bit overboard. Robin apparently has a burr under her saddle about her. I've seriously considered making Lucille a moderator as an effective way to get Robin booted off of the site. Robin would obviously go ballistic, and after only a few warnings about antagonizing a moderator, I could give her the boot. I mean, look around. How many controversies does Robin wind up getting into the middle of? When you see a rash of problems, it helps to look for a common denominator.



Anyway, getting late and I have some work I need to do.



Sorry about the length of this. Obviously this stuff has me worked up over it. But I guess I painted myself into another corner. Now I can't just pull the plug and tell everyone to kiss my ass. Now I OWE them what they have paid for............


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I'm sorry, I don't mean to laugh out loud, but I just can't believe that Wes Pollock (Wilomn) would have violated a trust like that and made public a private email I sent to him. Now just what does that say about the scruples of a person like that to violate a trust in that manner? And don't you just have to ask WHY he would have done something like that? Someone just posted recently in this thread the following:

Incapable, no. Inspired, no. Wes doesn't have a bee in his bonnet over this. Believe it or not, I've not heard one negative peep from Wes about FC or you, Rich. As a matter of fact, Wes still stands behind FC as a good site when asked by others.

I don't know, I sort of feel an inkling of a conflict in that statement and the apparent intent of making that private email public. Just what WAS his goal in doing such a thing, I wonder?

The guy (in my opinion) obviously weaseled himself into my confidence and apparently was hoarding this message from me in the hopes of using it in some damaging manner later on. Well, heck, if that's the best he can do, maybe he should stay in the minor leagues. Honest, I am absolutely CRUSHED by this revelation........ :rotflmao:

Anyway, I felt I needed to post this here to keep it from getting blown up into something worse then it already is. And to the one who sent it to me, THANKS, I did need that laugh today. :lol01: :lol01:
 
Chris@TSE said:
darnitall...... i feel left out rich......... :)

LOL! Maybe I talked about you to someone else who will post the email...... :hehe:
 
I really don't know why I keep reading this thread, but I can't help it. At first I was curious about where Wes was, or what he was up to since I've never talked to him outside of Fauna. Then a few conspiracy theories arose that really made me question my perception and esteem for a few people. I don't like that.

I understand and respect the Acting as a proxy for a banned/suspended member rule. However, this rather in-depth discussion about someone whom is not able to offer their rebuttal bothers me--especially because it seems the person's character and ethics are being discussed. Afterall, isn't there a clause that allows non-paid members to respond to a post about them on the BOI? I'm not requesting that Wes be allowed to respond, in fact, I am withdrawing my pledge to bring him back (was posted in hell). It would appear that there's more to this whole conflict than I could ever understand. I respect Rich's decision to post that email, and can understand (I think) why he would feel it needed to be addressed. FWIW, I would have done the same thing.

I think that locking this thread would be in the best interest of Fauna and it's members--past and present. I've seen similar conflict arise here that always seem to end with people getting extremely ticked-off and bitter about one thing or another and I just think it's unnecessary. Drop the horse back in it's grave and pave the dang thing over.
 
I think that locking this thread would be in the best interest of Fauna and it's members--past and present.

Yes, please Rich, just lock the damn thing. Ughh. :icon_bs:
 
OK. I just wanted to leave it open for a brief period after posting that email. I felt bound to offer at least some opportunity for people to make comment about it if they felt something needed clarification.

If such is the case, then simply PM me and I will discuss it with you that way.

This horse is now dead, buried, a stake through the heart, and decapitated. The paving over begins now.....
 
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