Bad Guy william corwin

[Lucille]

Diem I posted while you were, you said it better.

 

[Amelanistic Orca]

FWIW. I have done business with Bill Corwin and it was an absolute pleasure...

 

[ShadowAceD]

I'm not saying DiCarlo sold a healthy Moonglow, because I have my doubts. I went to his website and the photos available of Moonglows (two males, tiny pics) show animals that are more plump than that female. As are pretty much every animal posted around the same time. To me, that Moonglow does not look healthy and may have something congential going on or something else.

However, there is an issue when a buyer takes an animal, thinks it has a feeding issue, feeds it the very next day and then it regurges. At that point, the blame for the regurge could be on either person's hands.

Experience does not make someone immune to mistakes.

 

[Willow]

Experience does not make someone immune to mistakes.

 

[Lucille]

To me, that Moonglow does not look healthy and may have something congential going on or something else.

Maybe the buyer could take it to the vet. That might establish what it has or doesn't have going on, and rule out buyer's remorse.
Maybe the parties could agree that if the critter is basically OK they buyer foots the vet bill, and if something bad is going on the seller covers the bill and takes the snake back?

 

[1snakeman1]

ShadowAceD,

I have to disagree with you there!! Experience weighs an awefull lot! I have been breeding and keeping snakes since the mid 70's and I have had close to a thousand snakes shipped and not one have ever regurged after a trip especially a trip less that 24 hours so the feeding after arrival had nothing to do with the regurg. She settled in just fine for 24 hours before the feeding.

And thru my many many years of experience I could tell that she was a regurger but the breeder seller is telling me that she has never regurged and that she was fine. So even though I am pretty sure she is a regurger I give Edward the benefit of doubt and has me thinking... with him saying shes not a regurger maybe, just maybe now Im thinking he just hasnt fed her very much. So I fed her just like I have with hundreds and hundreds of other snakes 24 hours after arrival .....But anyway you want to look at it I needed to know one way or the other for sure ASAP because if you buy a snake and write the seller a week later and say the snake is pucking.... the first thing the seller says is that it must have caught something from my collection and he isnt liable...And now that I know Edward was lying and she is a definite pucker as i thought and Edward isnt standing behind her, I now know I have to treat her as a pucker and try cure her...

So ShadowAceD, obviously you dont feed you snakes right after they arrive so you really dont know that this can be done safely without any problems, you assume that it maybe harmful to the snakes but you really dont know for sure becasue you dont do it....well let me tell you that it can be done safely and it has for me and many others for a long long time!

One more thing I told Edward the picture of the fatter moonglow must have been a picture of one of the male moomglows he had but Edward said that she was the only moonglow he had, so the ad picture was of her when he clearly had male moonglows on his site. Edward has lied about everything! And in these forums the seller doing what he did should be on the hot seat not the buyer!!!!!

But no one is going after Edward Dicarlos except Tom Pecanic... Boy lets let these newbie snake sellers send sickly snakes to everyone and make a bad reputation for the online snake dealers....Not smart!

Im done with site, I got lied to and burned by a very dishonest seller name Edward Dicarlos from http://www.dicarloexotics.webs.com....so buyers you've been warned!!

Unless he tries to work something out about this with me he will be black balled by me and many of my breeder dealer friends!

 

[Gary Schiavino]

I don't know Bill Corwin personally, however on two separate occasions I sold him high-end carpet pythons. Bill was a pleasure to deal with, and if he was truly someone looking to scam a seller (the original poster stated "beware, he's obviously done this b4") his deal with me would have been a great opportunity to do so, based on the high price of the animals.

We need to keep in mind our animals do get sick, and unfortunately an illness can show up quickly. Shipping in fact can often act as the catalyst for a looming illness already present in an animal that the owner/shipper is not yet aware of.

Several years ago I sold a green tree python and I was due to ship the animal the next day. This was an established neonate that was eating like a champ and outwardly healthy. That night, for no apparent reason, the animal died. If I had shipped the animal, and the buyer had told me it died (for no apparent reason) I absolutely would have thought to myself "He killed it. He did something wrong". I easily would have blamed him for the animal's death. Thank goodness the animal perished in my possession rather than when my customer had it. I learned a valuable lesson that day.

I'm sorry the boa is having issues as I hate to see any animal sick, however I would not be so quick to judge the buyer. I found Bill to be both experienced and reasonable during our transaction, and you can be confident he is not a scammer.

Sincerely,
Gary Schiavino

 

[1snakeman1]

Thanks Gary!

 

[DesertRat73]

One thing the internet age has taught us is that many of the old school practices that were tried and true for ages, are in fact not the best for our animals. Housing animals together would be one example. I think this could be another, but I get why you did it. What I don't get, is why you didn't defer to your own experience over the word of a "newbie breeder". Either way, you followed his TOS and he needs to step up and do the same. There's no good reason why he isn't attempting to work with you, any personal distaste for the situation needs to be put aside for the sake of professionalism and preserving any reputation he may have.

 

[chazzz]

For what it's worth here is my experience with Bill. I did a trade with Bill about 2 years ago and it was a pleasure! I traded Bill a male Green Tree Python for a large supply of frozen rodents. This took me to Bill's to pick up the feeders a handful of times so I would have fresh frozen when I ran out, and my freezer isn't large enough to hold the amount I was receiving. This worked out great and Bill was great to deal with and wouldn't hesitate doing business with him in the future. Turned out we knew and worked with some of the same people in the Zoo field so we had a lot to talk about. I had a great time hanging out with Bill talking herps each time I visited his place.

As for this situation I'm not sure where Bill is at fault. It's obviously the same snake so that washes out the conspiracy theory. Regarding feeding the snake just after shipping which seems to be popping up in both threads, this in itself should not make a snake regurge. Unless the snake was injured during shipping or experienced some type of trauma, the snake wouldn't regurge from being placed in a box and moved around a few times in about a 14 or 15 hour period. Sometimes snakes won't eat after shipping until they get acclimated to their new home but if the snake didn't refuse food it wasn't that stressed from the shipping. You should never feed a snake just before you ship it which would likely cause it to vomit. Obviously people are going to disagree but IMO and experience feeding a snake just after it was shipped would not cause it to vomit. That's my $.02, I hope this gets sorted out.

 

[lilcorujao]

FWIW. I have done business with Bill Corwin and it was an absolute pleasure...

+1

I have done business with Bill a few times and received great customer service. I've even visited his home for one purchase and he was very welcoming.

I really hope this situation gets resolved so that both parties are satisfied.

 

[RossCA]

I've done business with Bill also a few times, and he's one of the coolest guys I've ever met. I've visited his home as well and there's no indication he is shady in any way. Sorry I can't comment on the feeding of the boa, because I just don't know that species. I do know what its like to receive a snake that is a lot thinner than I expected and it is a pretty bad feeling. I think the seller should inform the buyer the snake is on the thin side, even if pictures have been provided, and especially for that kind of money.

 

[Clay Davenport]

I have restored and locked the ad where the female was advertised, so the original picture used in the ad can be seen.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=316506

 

[ShadowAceD]

ShadowAceD,

I have to disagree with you there!! Experience weighs an awefull lot! I have been breeding and keeping snakes since the mid 70's and I have had close to a thousand snakes shipped and not one have ever regurged after a trip especially a trip less that 24 hours so the feeding after arrival had nothing to do with the regurg. She settled in just fine for 24 hours before the feeding.

And thru my many many years of experience I could tell that she was a regurger but the breeder seller is telling me that she has never regurged and that she was fine. So even though I am pretty sure she is a regurger I give Edward the benefit of doubt and has me thinking... with him saying shes not a regurger maybe, just maybe now Im thinking he just hasnt fed her very much. So I fed her just like I have with hundreds and hundreds of other snakes 24 hours after arrival .....But anyway you want to look at it I needed to know one way or the other for sure ASAP because if you buy a snake and write the seller a week later and say the snake is pucking.... the first thing the seller says is that it must have caught something from my collection and he isnt liable...And now that I know Edward was lying and she is a definite pucker as i thought and Edward isnt standing behind her, I now know I have to treat her as a pucker and try cure her...

So ShadowAceD, obviously you dont feed you snakes right after they arrive so you really dont know that this can be done safely without any problems, you assume that it maybe harmful to the snakes but you really dont know for sure becasue you dont do it....well let me tell you that it can be done safely and it has for me and many others for a long long time!

One more thing I told Edward the picture of the fatter moonglow must have been a picture of one of the male moomglows he had but Edward said that she was the only moonglow he had, so the ad picture was of her when he clearly had male moonglows on his site. Edward has lied about everything! And in these forums the seller doing what he did should be on the hot seat not the buyer!!!!!

But no one is going after Edward Dicarlos except Tom Pecanic... Boy lets let these newbie snake sellers send sickly snakes to everyone and make a bad reputation for the online snake dealers....Not smart!

Im done with site, I got lied to and burned by a very dishonest seller name Edward Dicarlos from http://www.dicarloexotics.webs.com....so buyers you've been warned!!

Unless he tries to work something out about this with me he will be black balled by me and many of my breeder dealer friends!

You know what, Bill? If you would take the time to read my posts, you would see that I do not think Edward sent you a healthy animal, but you are so consumed with letting everyone know just how experienced and immune to errors that you are that you miss it. Tone down the chest puffing a little bit, it really is not necessary.

I have never fed a boa the day I recieved it, no (because it is a risk I do not wish to take), but I have had to deal with a few FTT (failure to thrive babies) and all were chronic regurgers with poor body condition overall and much smaller than their litter mates. So, in that regard, I know what it is like to deal with them. Had I gotten an animal I suspected to be a regurger, I certainly would not have given it anything to eat. How, in your forty years of experience, do you think it is even remotely logical to give an animal you suspect to be a regurger food when it is already very much stressed out just to see if it will regurge? Are you not aware of how damaging a single regurge is on a baby boa, much less multiple ones? You do not even know when the last time it did regurge (if it did). So, that was balatant irresponsibility on your part. You would have a better case agaisnt Edward had you not done that.

Whether you want to believe it or not, stress is very dangerous to boas, more so to babies and the act of feeding a sick animal after arrival could very well have caused the regurge. Ignore the fact she appears dehydrated in your pic and that alone could have contributed to the regurge.

But, what do I know? I am just a "newbie" by your standards and clearly know jack.

Maybe if you were not so bristled up and defensive about everything right off the bat and could attempt a logical non-degrading approach to the situation people would not be questioning you so much. I hope the boa lives, for what it is worth, but I think you need to reevaluate yourself, sir.

Edward, you need to step up here, you attempted the "it's not the same boa" defense and that did not work. If that is a two month old boa, why does it look so skinny? Why is it so skinny compared to what appears to be its siblings on the website?

 

[tyson_82]

Alright I was just gonna let this go but I guess I will jump in and defend myself the snake was born april 4 th 2012 it was sold may 31 2012 it was only 4 weeks old it had eatten quite a few meals and shed twice as documented when it left. the add was clearly marked a 2012 baby,, this was the only moonglow i had ever produced and frankly i was real proud of it!! It never once had regurged for me,, I was upset when i posted the original add and i never was able to look close at the 2 photos together, like most of you have pointed out there are similar markings, but it is hard to tell .. note he stated he fed the snake on june 1st the day after it was shipped maybe it was stressed, She needed an adiquiate acclimation time prior to being offered food,, I agree I should not have gotten upset and assumed he was switching the snakes and i should of looked into it further before makeing an assumption.. But The snake That was sent was in perfect health and progressing fine while in my care.

 

[tyson_82]

I meant to say 8 weeks old

 

[ShadowAceD]

Alright I was just gonna let this go but I guess I will jump in and defend myself the snake was born april 4 th 2012 it was sold may 31 2012 it was only 4 weeks old it had eatten quite a few meals and shed twice as documented when it left. the add was clearly marked a 2012 baby,, this was the only moonglow i had ever produced and frankly i was real proud of it!! It never once had regurged for me,, I was upset when i posted the original add and i never was able to look close at the 2 photos together, like most of you have pointed out there are similar markings, but it is hard to tell .. note he stated he fed the snake on june 1st the day after it was shipped maybe it was stressed, She needed an adiquiate acclimation time prior to being offered food,, I agree I should not have gotten upset and assumed he was switching the snakes and i should of looked into it further before makeing an assumption.. But The snake That was sent was in perfect health and progressing fine while in my care.

From your website:

Refunds:

Refunds or replacement animals will be offered at my descretion.

All animals sold will have eaten several times and have shed, once the animal has been sold it is presumed healthy.

Once the animal is in your possesion you have 24 hours to let us know of any issues or complaints.

I will assume you are just using the first line as you see fit, but if the buyer was not happy with their purchase, as he stated almost immediately after it arrived, why not have him ship it back on his own dime, refund him and just sell the animal to someone else then?

Did you not have the 1300.00 to refund? You do not specify what type of complaint warrants a refund.

 

[Amelanistic Orca]

Alright I was just gonna let this go but I guess I will jump in and defend myself the snake was born april 4 th 2012 it was sold may 31 2012 it was only 4 weeks old it had eatten quite a few meals and shed twice as documented when it left. the add was clearly marked a 2012 baby,, this was the only moonglow i had ever produced and frankly i was real proud of it!! It never once had regurged for me,, I was upset when i posted the original add and i never was able to look close at the 2 photos together, like most of you have pointed out there are similar markings, but it is hard to tell .. note he stated he fed the snake on june 1st the day after it was shipped maybe it was stressed, She needed an adiquiate acclimation time prior to being offered food,, I agree I should not have gotten upset and assumed he was switching the snakes and i should of looked into it further before makeing an assumption.. But The snake That was sent was in perfect health and progressing fine while in my care.

Forget the regurging for a second.. Quit the tap dancing effort... Address the kink in YOUR bad guy thread please. Edward you owe Bill!

 

[alexandersaks1]

+1

I have done business with Bill a few times and received great customer service. I've even visited his home for one purchase and he was very welcoming.

I really hope this situation gets resolved so that both parties are satisfied.

I too have done business with bill twice in the past month and have received 4 absolutely gorgeous leopards/possilbe het leopards all of which are doing great. he is always very quick to respond to my emails and has been very helpful answered any questions I may have. just my two cents

 

[1snakeman1]

ShadowAceD:

>You are right and I am sorry for the snapping at to you, I was just very tired last night and was in a very edgy mood under the circumstances that was going but I have had a great nights sleep and have cooled down and I do apologize to you! but I never called you a newbie :0)

Edward:

>Above Clay Davenport restored your ad on her, its not the one I saw. The one I saw you most have posted later because you had her on sale for 1300.00 reduced from 1500.00 and said that she was a very fine example of a moonglow. And the ad that Clay put up says what the ad I saw said...both saying that she was pounding large mice...Now we now a small boa 2 months old isnt going to be pounding LARGE mice so you falsely advertised giving everyone including me the impression that she was a larger older snake....You didnt disclose the kinked tail either...

So how about you stand behind your snake and honor your WRITTEN terms and issue me a refund.....then no hard feelings from me.....its done and over... what do say?