With Reference to Jon Falco, Please Read

[Jon-e-Boy]

My name is Jon Falco and to all those who know me and have done business with me over the years I'm sure it is obvious that I am a good guy and out to make friends more so then customers. I've been reading just a few short posts about me lately saying that I'm selling animals that are not what they really are. This is entirely not true and I am apalled that rather than telling me to my face, there are people going behind my back and speaking such slander of me. The facts are below I ask of you to read and I also ask those who have done business with me in the past to come forward and just let people know about how I do business.

1. The Dh Sunglows I'm selling- with reference to these, there was an albino male in with the female in mid Nov and an anery male in with her in mid Dec, the albino courted her and then I took him out because I thought he was done and a lethargic breeder and didn't get the job done. Now in mid Dec I put an anery male in with the female hypo. This anery courted heavily for roughly 5 days and just stopped. Now this anery is my best breeder and always breeds for 1.5 months or longer and I've NEVER missed his copulations, although this is entirely possible, don't get me wrong. The babies were born in the very end of March. Yes it is possible that the anery male is the father, but in my opinion all the odds are against him even the delivery date. There are posts that I posted on this subject and I did not delete them or try to hide them. I am selling these babies at a discounted price and all buyers know the complete story before purchasing. I'm not trying to hide anything. But for people to accuse me of lying about it or trying to hide something, is completely outrageous.

2. In reference to an albino that I sold earlier with eyes bulged, I actually sold 2 of them; THESE ANIMALS WERE NOT FROM MY STOCK. I picked them up from a guy who said they were produced by Canopy Creations and they were bought primarily for resale.

If anyone has any questions, please email me rather than slandering my name. I am happy to answer any questions one might have. Thanks for everyones time and happy herping!

Email: [email protected]

Jon Falco

 

[Randy T.]

Jon, you were called a liar for 2 reasons, the first reason is in your ad here on fauna, you are claiming with 99% certainty that these neonates are dh sunglows. And secondly that the anery male was only with the female at the 105 day mark.. This clearly was pointed out to you by your own post dates untrue and you admitted that you miscalculated on that forum. The anery was in with her at the 116 day mark, which I do agree with you that it is less likely that he sired the neonates but it is a possibility which is compounded by an email you sent the albino seller claiming the albino showed NO breeding activity along with your worries of a serious illness. Now the email alone you sent can be looked at as evidence that you are a shady underhanded liar. The 2 ways I see the email are either 1, you are telling the truth in the email thus lying to every single potential customer since you are claiming in the ads that the albino bred her while in the email to the seller you claim no breeding activity, or 2, you are lying to the seller in an attempt to regain some of your outlaying of funds for the animal. Now does that sound like an honest person who has the intention to sell healthy correctly represented animals? You can clear this up as you said on another forum by doing a paternity test on these animals.. But then again I don't know if I would trust you on that either unless I saw the entire bill showing how many animals were tested. Jon I kind of feel bad for you on this, I at one time thought you were a good herp keeper and trustworthy, but with this entire litter fiasco and the way you treat breeder loan animals I have completely changed my view on you..

I hope you can straighten things up, I would prefer to see honest hard working people succeed in this hobby for the long haul, instead of dishonest people succeed for a short period of time.

 

[Randy T.]

1. The Dh Sunglows I'm selling- with reference to these, there was an albino male in with the female in mid Nov and an anery male in with her in mid Dec, the albino courted her and then I took him out because I thought he was done and a lethargic breeder and didn't get the job done. Now in mid Dec I put an anery male in with the female hypo. This anery courted heavily for roughly 5 days and just stopped.

Jon Falco

Jon, you claim you took the albino out in your post (in the quotes) but in this post from the ACTUAL TIME you claim you put the anery in to try and induce breeding activity..hmm.. Kind of hard to induce a male to want to breed when he is no longer in the enclosure... I have a suggestion Jon, go back, read all of your seperate posts and emails, and attempt to come up with a fabrication..err lie..err..story that may somehow tie all of them together..

 

[DaveyFig]

There is already a thread on the BOI about Jon, maybe this thread should have been added to that one. Its not hard to find.
If you are trying to draw attention to yourself, You have done it Jon. I will wait a while before I start posting my information. I feel that you are calling Randy and myself out because you think we are bluffing. I assure you every bit of information we say we have, we do.
I just got home from work to find a link to this thread. I will be back when rested.

 

[Jon-e-Boy]

You guys sure are vicious. I'm not trying to make enimies, but for some reason you guys are really going after me for no reason. I will post the below and leave it at that. I hope we can leave the post at that. I don't think that anyone is bluffing, but if you are real men, send me your phone numbers to the below email where I can call you and speak peacefully rather than having you bash me through text. I have nothing to hide, and if you still think that I'm a rotten guy, I welcome you to post it.....please do, I would not recommend letting those who are out to cheat other roam the industry either. Please Randy and Davey, send me your numbers, don't hide behind the forum.

Email: [email protected]

 

[Wilomn]

jon, did you have for sale or sell some one eyed albino boas last season?

I really don't remember if it was you or not and I would like to know. I do seem to recall that it was you, but may be wrong.

Please clarify.

 

[DaveyFig]

You are going to sit there and give lessons on how to be a man?Seriously?
Tell me "man" , why have you not responded to any of the posts we have made in regards to that litter on the threads that we made them? If you have proof that those snakes are 100% dh sunglow, you really should post it. I don't think you do though, otherwise , they wouldnt be 900 bucks. With all of your wrong dates(remember, I corrected you on that on the boa forum, and you even admitted that I was right), you seem pretty shady.That is even before the illness of the father is factored in.
Why don't you post on the proper thread on the boa think tank the results of the paternity tests for all of the neos as you said you would? I mean, With a paternity test (on every single baby,not just one or 2) you would have the 99% sureness that you claim to have now.

 

[Jon-e-Boy]

reply

I haven't replied to the posts because they were just brought to my attention today by a friend. I did not get the paternity tests done. I said I was going to try, but I could not find anyone to do it. The markers for the boa constrictor genome have not been interpreted yet as far as I have heard.

I purposely posted the scenario on the boa forum to get advise as to what to do, and I took the advise. I am selling them at $900. I think my only mistake was titling the ad as "100% Dh Sunglows" although customers have been made aware of the full scenario and also saying "99%" sure, where that is an opinion. I apologize if anyone thought that I was trying to scam people, but I was not.

I am not a confrontational person, thus I will not bash anyone. I just want to clear this up. The dates on the boa forum are accurate, with the help of Davey, and that is the story. The original account on the boa forum is exactly how it occured, and any details that may have been skewed afterwards are a result of carelessness on my part and of course not intentional. The price of the animals reflects a degree of uncertainty. Anyone out there who has recommendations for me of how to market them, please fill me in. I wasn't aware and still am not aware that I have done anything wrong.

The adult male albino possible father courted lethargically and relatively briefly that I originally discounted it. When he wouldn't feed for a few months I got worried and yes, disease popped into my head, which definitely was not the case. He shed, finally ate, and he was taken to the local vet where blood and I believe saliva samples were taken and he was given a clear bill of health.

Now as for the albinos......those albinos were bought by me primarily for re-sale. They were originally produced by Canopy Creations I was told, but I did not produce them. Now that I've been made aware of the situation, please feel free to ask me any other questions.


Jon Falco

 

[DaveyFig]

Jon, are you saying that it was months of not feeding that made you think that the snake might be ill?

 

[Wilomn]

2. In reference to an albino that I sold earlier with eyes bulged, I actually sold 2 of them; THESE ANIMALS WERE NOT FROM MY STOCK. I picked them up from a guy who said they were produced by Canopy Creations and they were bought primarily for resale.
Email: [email protected]

Jon Falco

jon, I am not asking about BULGING eyed babies but LACKING eyed babies.

I am fairly certain that I saw ads last year from you selling two albino boas that each had only one eye. I seem to remember, but am not positive, that you stated in the ad that they had been injured and were NOT born that way.

Just looking for some clarification here. Did you sell some ONE EYED albino boas last year?

 

[DaveyFig]

Jon...here is my "beef".

You have these snakes that are hypo, and either het for albino, or anery, but not both.
If you sell as het albino, then 3 years from now when crossed to an albino to get sunglows, if they turn out het anery, someone is getting a litter of hypos and normal.

If you sell as het anery, then 3 years from now when crossed to an anery, if they turn out het albino, someone is getting a litter of hypos and normals.

Without knowing who the father is, all you have is hypos, As stated by Jeff Ronne.

That is all you have. Sure, they are either het for anery or albino, but which? Both animals could have fathered that litter, so some could be het anery, and some het albino.

My suggestion is to sell somewhere between the hypo, and the dh ghost price, and suggest to your buyers that they might want to first breed theirs to a dh snow, to work out the details before trying to jump into anything.

Of course, you know the albino is not the father, and you could have just sold them as DH GHost.Its too late for that now though.

 

[The BoidSmith]

Possibles

Assuming the female had equal chances of having been bred by either male they could have been sold as "possible" (50%) DHgost or DH sunglow and price them accordingly.

Thanks.

 

[Wilomn]

jon, did you have one eyed albino boas for sale on ks? I really would like to know if that was you. Please let me know.

thanks,
Wes Pollock

 

[Jon-e-Boy]

Re: Re: With Reference to Jon Falco, Please Read

jon, I am not asking about BULGING eyed babies but LACKING eyed babies.

I am fairly certain that I saw ads last year from you selling two albino boas that each had only one eye. I seem to remember, but am not positive, that you stated in the ad that they had been injured and were NOT born that way.

Just looking for some clarification here. Did you sell some ONE EYED albino boas last year?

No that is not true. I sold only two albinos last year, or ever for that matter, that had eye problems. None were missing eyes. One had two bulging eyes and one had a sort of out of whack retna. I've never sold any other albinos with problems other than those, and from what I hear, they are doing both doing well. Again, I did not produce them myself. My albinos were only produced by top breeders and the ones that are proven have never produced babies with eye problems. Any more questions are welcome...

Jon Falco

 

[Wilomn]

Thanks for answering jon, I really couldn't remember if it was you or not.

 

[Randy T.]

Jon, the illness scare still sticks out in my head.. In the email which was sent within a month and a half of receiving the albino you claim the worry of the "illness" but then in this thread you again have difficulty with your ability to follow a time line and say it was after a few months that you began to worry. Jon, I sincerely hope that you just have an extreme difficult time understanding time and how it progresses but I have a feeling that you do not.

Also disregarding the above comment, how do you claim in the email you sent to the seller the albino did not breed, but on here and other forums you still claim he bred and potentially sired this litter? I just want a clarification on which point you are lying. It would help me understand you if I knew which one/s you were lying too.


Later

 

[DaveyFig]

OK, since Randys Thread was moved to Hell, I guess this is the thread on the BOI that this stuff should be posted on, rather than a "Bad Guy " thread where it would be more apropriate.

Below is the text of an email that was sent to Scott Cotey to read, by Mr. Falco.It is the email sent by Jon to Frank Martin, who sold the boa that Jon is now possitive is the father of the litter in question.


"Frank, my name is Jon Falco, I bought the adult breeder albino off of you. Well there is a problem. He has only eaten once since I've had him and has lost 5-6 pounds since then. He is very lethargic and constantly throws up stomach fluids. He did not breed for one second which you said he was "some great breeder." I am confident that he has IBD or a closely related virus. I have not added any new snakes to my collection since the day I brought him home, and all my animals are kept indoors inside my home.

None of my snakes exhibit any symptoms and in fact, the only snake that he came in contact with, my female hypo, is gravid from another male and doing great. The reason for the delayed notification is obviously because IBD can lay dormant in any boa for a little while before symptons arise. He has been exhibiting degenerative behavior for about a month now, but never ate properly since the day I recieved him.

I am wondering what you plan on doing in this situation. I didn't dish out that kind of cash for a sickly boa that can potentially ruin my entire collection. Now I know that it was not in your power to determine that he had this disease prior to selling him to me because he hadn't yet developed any symptoms. However, he has been quarantined and no other boa in my collection could have possibly passed the disease onto him, because the only snake he was with has been by herself for over a year and I do not have mites nor have I ever had them, to transmit the disease from enclosure to enclosure. The only explanation is that he had it before he came here, and that is evident from his weight loss, because he couldn't have lost that weight in the span of a couple weeks.

I would like to know what you plan on doing in this situation. I am in no way a con artist and have references from big breeders like Jeff Gee, Bill Kirby, etc. to further reinforce my standards and morals. I would be happy to send the snake back to you if it comes down to that, but there is no way that I will except that snake at that price and bite my tongue. Please get back to me with a proposed course of action. Thank You.

Jon Falco"


I think this is apropriate for a thread with this title, as it in reference to Jon Falco, but how long have people been allowed to start new threads to defend themselves, rather than post on existing threads?

I have some more interesting stuff about Jons Breeding loan practices, but I will let Jon respond before going on, unless a sufficient amount of time has passed with no response.

 

[Scooter J]

Breeding loan Practices

I can comment on Jon's breeding loan practices, because I loaned him a snake in hopes of splitting a litter of boas with him. First of all, I have never done this loan thing before, so if I post something here that is common practice in breeding loans, then I apologize and I will never do it again, because I believe it to be cruel to the animals involved. I am going to list several things that happened

#1- I don't believe Jon kept me informed about everything happening, because when I questioned him concerning my boa and him feeding it, he stated that he doesn't feed them for up to 6 months because he doesn't want to disturb them. This was never mentioned on the front end, and if it is common, then I am sorry, but it seems sort of cruel.

#2- I received my boa back much later than Jon had promised, I sent him in late October-early November and got him back in April, with what look like burns on his head and neck, which Jon claims were scale ruffles from climbing behind a water dish, the Vet said otherwise. In addition, my boa was very, very thin, and had a bad case of something which I thought was IBD, based on the letter that Jon sent to Frank Martin, but Jon assured me later was nothing more than a virus or bacteria. I did in fact get the same report back from the Vet, and the snake is doing fine now, but was very sick for a couple weeks.
#3- I can't say for sure what happened to my boa while in Jon's care, but I sent him a very healthy boa in October, and got a very skinny and sickly, thin boa back in April. I am not bashing Jon, but I don't think after all of this that I believe anything he tells me. I felt lied to by him and betrayed. That snake was very special and still is to me, he was a boa I got from Gray Rushin, and It was very special to Gray.

#4 - Jon seems more interested in making money at anyone's expense. He made some statements to me concerning those boas, and I can't prove what he said concerning there authenticity, but lets just say, he really didn't care what they are, because it would be quite some time before they proved out!, and I am paraphrasing him. I still don't even know if the boa that my snake was breeding with ever got gravid or pregnant, Jon just never really cared too much after having such a great year with his other two litters, that he didn't bother too much to keep me informed. In fact everytime I asked him for my snake back he kept saying in 2 weeks, and 2 weeks would go bye, and then he would say in three weeks, give him 3 more weeks. and this went on for a couple months. But after Jon has his other litters, then he just didn't even care to answer emails.

I am sorry that I even made the breeding loan to him, but in light of everything that I have been reading I feel that people have a right to know what kind of person Jon is regarding boas. He doesn't care about the welfare of the animals, one bit, just how much money can he make on them, thats the bottom line. How much money can he make. If it doesn't produce any revenue than he has no use for it. That is exactly how he treated my boa, and by the way, if I ever had a loan with someone, and I had to care for there boa, I would damn sure treat it a lot better than he did, that is just me though, I care about other people and about boas,not just money. $$$$

Scott J. Cotey

 

[DaveyFig]

Below is a Pic of Corry sent to Scott as an update, just prior to shipping him back.

 

[Classic Dum's]

Am I the only one who seen Jons ad on ksnake a few days ago? The ad I seen on there did not have any mention, at all of this litter possibly being fathered by an anery.

You should be selling these as hypos(nothing more) Jon you are not sure which the father is and via the timeline you could have babies from both males within that litter.

Jon one thing I can tell you is you have NO market intergrity and not having any you are not going to make very many friends in this buisness. I give you soul credit for ruining the DBL Het Ghost market last year. DBL HET Ghosts were a strong $600-800 at the begining of the year last year. What did you sell your last couple for? $350 something like that. I rember ads from you with titles like "cheapest dbl het ghost on the net" crap like that. The only thing I could think of was that you were in some kind of race to be the first to sell out. I know a women who worked emtremly hard to create a market for dbl het and ghosts and you totally ruined it, totaly demoralized it. Granted there your animals you have the right to sell them for whatever you like. But when you do what you did your not going to make to many friends. I for one will never in this lifetime buy from you because of what you did. I also know I am not the only one who feels this way. I know some people think high end animals are driven by greed but once you invest that kind of money into a project your not going to like seeing that market demorialized like that either. You already ruined the ghost market so please stay away from the sunglows.

Wess I remeber the albinos your talking and as you, I thought it was Jon that had them but cant remeber for sure.