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[Randy T.]

Am I the only one who seen Jons ad on ksnake a few days ago? The ad I seen on there did not have any mention, at all of this litter possibly being fathered by an anery.

I need to look for that ad, if it hasn't been removed yet.

Jon one thing I can tell you is you have NO market intergrity and not having any you are not going to make very many friends in this buisness. I give you soul credit for ruining the DBL Het Ghost market last year. DBL HET Ghosts were a strong $600-800 at the begining of the year last year. What did you sell your last couple for? $350 something like that. I rember ads from you with titles like "cheapest dbl het ghost on the net" crap like that. The only thing I could think of was that you were in some kind of race to be the first to sell out. .

I have to disagree with you on this one Jason, I remember one person who was selling 100% hypo het ghosts for 275-350 depending how many you purchased, so he wasn't the only one who sold them at the rock bottom price. (I do agree that it is unfortunate for the ghost market and hopefully it will regain some of the strength it had previously as they are magnificent animals)

 

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I MUST SAY

I came on fauna tonight with the express purpose of looking up feed back on john falco, boy am i glad i did i was interested in the male hypo he had up for sale and was going to make him a offer but after reading all this i will just have to pass once again fauna thanks alot for saveing me time , money and a whole lot of headaches
john peraza

 

[Classic Dum's]

I have to disagree with you on this one Jason, I remember one person who was selling 100% hypo het ghosts for 275-350 depending how many you purchased, so he wasn't the only one who sold them at the rock bottom price.

Ya I am sure there was I just remeber his "cheapest dbl hets on the net"(not verbatium) deals that post earlier came out harsher in text then what I meant it to be. I was still on my first cup of coffee when I typed it(I begin waking, once I have downed a pot LOL)

Back to the topic I looked last night and that ad was gone. There was no mention within the ad of there being a possibility of two fathers it was short and said to email for details.

 

[Randy T.]

I found it Jason, he has an ad currently up posted 6/11/2004 (currently on the second page of the boa classifieds)

Here is a copy and paste of it.. And you are correct.. It does not mention the possibility that they are sired by an anery.


Posted by Jon Falco (Contact Me!) on June 11, 2004 at 10:49:33
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I have a good number of animals for sale and they are looking and acting incredible! Pics will be up on the website shortly. Email me and let me know what you are interested in. Pictures of Dh Ghosts are on the website now and prices are below.

Dh Ghosts- $500 each
Dh Sunglows- $900 each
100% Het Anerys- $150 each
100% Het Albinos- $150-275 each

www.theaneryman.com

Jon Falco

 

[DaveyFig]

That is a picture of his "prized albino" that he is no so sure sired the litter.Below is an email that makes me think otherwise.Does anyone still think that this snake is the father? Nice conditions for a prized animal to be living in. It makes me wonder what his less valuable animals are living in.


Subj: Re: 'take a look
Date: 10/26/2003 10:20:10 PM Pacific Standard Time
From: JSunglow
To: ScottCotey


I'd love to be able to send you a pic one day where this is NOT happening. As you can see in the front is my prized albino.....and yes, on the complete other side of the cage, naturally, is my hypo female. If he doesn't do something soon, I'm going to have a fit.

 

[OBZ]

Well here is my account of Jon Falco for character purposes.

In June of 2003 I sold him a 3ft male ghost boa that had been produced by Doug Matuzak. Really a shinning exampl of a ghost at that. I had adds placed here at fauna. Jon Offered me less than I really wanted for the animal, but he explained his double het projects, and how much he wanted a male ghost at the time. He seemed like a really nice guy so i went ahead and sold him the animals for $1500.00 wich he paid via his girlfriends credit card through paypal.

Again, this is less than I intended to sell this for, but i agreed to it.

Within 3-4 months, my neonate ghost boa, is up for sale on Kingsnake for over $2,000, as an 'Adult Breeder'. The boa was OBVIOUSLY much bigger. Wich says to me all he did, or intended to do was fill him up with food and turn him around at a proffit.

I don't think Jon is a bad guy, I was just a bit dissapointed to see the snake he was 'soo excited about' turned arouned after being 'beefed up'.

 

[OBZ]

Sorry, I don't post here often, Forgot the name

Sean Mills.

 

[OBZ]

Also Randy, here is the main body of the thread from Jeff's site back in Dec, in wich Jon flip flops on the father, dates, and blood tests.

http://www.theboaforum.com/cgi-bin/...apics1;action=display;num=1080708671;start=30

Seam Mills.

 

[OBZ]

Entire Thread

 

[Randy T.]

Thanks Sean.. I tried to link the different threads from theboaforum but it seems to not allow them to be done that way.. Oh well. Also the link you put up is not allowing access to it, the same issue I had when I tried.. I wonder if it has been locked..(since other threads on that site are being allowed to be linked to.)

 

[DaveyFig]

Sean, was it you who was asking Jon on the boa forum why he didnt use that "adult breeder ghost" instead of an anery in one of his breedings? He responded by saying that it wasn't big enough for his big girls, but still sold it as a "ready to breed now" boa. I know someone confronted him on it, but not sure who it was.

 

[OBZ]

Yeah that was me Davey, the only reason i brought it up was because i sold it to him.

I honestly dont remember the exact phraise he used in the add, but i remember quoting it in the forum, as well that would bea date stamp to exactly when he sold it, as again, i don;t rememer the exact date. Was just to soon for it to have healthily been brought up to 'breeding size'.

Sean Mills

 

[DaveyFig]

Was it this one?

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Adult Male Ghost Boa "Great Price"
I have an adult male ghost boa for sale. He is truely awesome in coloration and would be the "crown jewel" of any collection. HE WILL BREED NOW! I am selling him way below market value because I want to invest in some other projects before the season is over. Price is firm and no trades. Email me for pics. Thanks.

ONLY $3500 SHIPPED!

Email: [email protected]


Thanks,

Jon Falco

 

[OBZ]

Yessir, that is the one. More than double the price?

Whats the date on that add?

My paypal account lists the transfer from his girlfriend on june 8th 2003, At wich point he was a 'yearling' at BEST. I can get the birthdate from Doug, but it's irrelevant, the snake was under 3ft at the time of sale as I remember.

Sean Mills.

 

[DaveyFig]

Oct.22 for this one, I will check the other

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Adult Male Ghost Boa for Sale or Trade I have this adult ghost boa for sale. Since I should be producing more this season, I think I can afford to let him go, but it won't be easy. As you can see, he is a pick of the litter ghost, and you will not find many like him for sale, especially at this age. He is 2 years old and over foot with great girth. He WILL BREED NOW! I am asking only $3500 for him, or I will trade for the following animals ONLY! Don't ask me to trade for anything else please.

Proven Albino Male + Proven Dh Ghost Male

OR

Adult Female Albino 100% het. Snow

OR

Adult Male Arabesque Boa or Adult Male Jungle

OR

1.1 Adult Anery 100% Het Snow (Male must be Proven)

Thanks,

Email: [email protected]

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[DaveyFig]

The other one was posted on Oct. 26th

 

[DaveyFig]

What Luck

The thread where Sean asked about the ghost is the same one I questioned Jons guarantining techniques. Not funny HA HA funny, but its kinda funny that the one I asked him about quarantining is the one he later thought had IBD...

Sorry if this comes out weird here, i copied and pasted the thread, since I cant link to it.
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Here is the pic finally. Not a very good one. You can see him doing his thing, and if you look, you can see my big anery female in the unit below, basking herself. She does that alot for some reason....but, as long as she's comfortable.
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Your anery female looks to not ed over on her side a bit, who got her?
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on Nov 20th, 2003, 7:20pm, Panama_Red wrote:Your anery female looks to not ed over on her side a bit, who got her?



I don't know what you mean by who got her, but she hasn't been bred by anyone yet. She has been doing that for some time now, but hasn't showed any signs of problems and she is very active. I am going to place my anery male with her in a week or so, and that should be my last pairing for the season. She appears to be just soaking up more heat as the temperatures dropped out here.
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She just looked to kinda rolled on her side I thought she might have been bred by someone already. The fourm edited the post, thought I was using profantiy aparently.
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Yeah, I saw how they edited it. Way to strict if you ask me....I can't count how many times that's happened to me. Anyway, I'll try to get better pics as time goes on, but seeing those two morphs mating is a delight, let me tell you. As for the female anery, she has awesome weight on her and I can't wait to throw another anery male in there with her. Pluse the anery male is my best breeder, so I'm confident as long as she ovulates, I should have some nice anerys as well in the spring.
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Good luck with that pairing...

I still wanna see a full body pic of the male when you get the chance.
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Great looking snakes,but how long did you quarantine the new albino? Isn't that the one you just got? I may be way off, just curious.
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No quarantining, I got him from a friend, picked him up in person, and he is in perfect health. Because of my annual scheduling, I have deadlines for when I can place my boas together, and last week was it, so he was already cooled and in the prime of health so I placed him with her and everything seems to have gone great so far.
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Quote:Great looking snakes,but how long did you quarantine the new albino? Isn't that the one you just got? I may be way off, just curious.



I honestly think if you have had enough boas, and have had them in your hands and inspected them well enough your good to go. It is breeding season now, if he looks good to you let him rip. Now if this were an import or somthing, It would definitly need to be quarintined. Even if the boa were quarintined though he would come out of quarintine via your personal opinion of his health. Just my .02$
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on Nov 23rd, 2003, 2:00pm, Panama_Red wrote:

I honestly think if you have had enough boas, and have had them in your hands and inspected them well enough your good to go. It is breeding season now, if he looks good to you let him rip. Now if this were an import or somthing, It would definitly need to be quarintined. Even if the boa were quarintined though he would come out of quarintine via your personal opinion of his health. Just my .02$



Right on the money buddy! My .02$ exactly as well...I guess that makes it our .04$!

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I wasn't jumping anyones case over the whole thing, I was just curious. It sounds like you have it all figured out, and that is fine. As for being good to go because you have had enough boas, I wonder if someone like the boaphile, or any other very large scale breeder who has had many boas would take the same chances that a lot of us do, by throwing a brand new animal into our programs without quarantine.
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Again, the animal was a from a friend of mine and there was no reason to suspect the need for quarantine. But caution is never a bad thing, so I see where you are coming from Fig.
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so how come you sold that 'breedable ghost',.. seems to me youd be a bit better off tossing him on the anery female than another anery male?
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Well, the thing is the ghost was just a bit too small for the huge anery female.....she is over 35 pounds and I wanted to make sure the job got done right. Plus, I needed the cash to fund this dh sunglow project, which as it turns out, was probably one of the best choices I've made this year. But I was sad to see the ghost go, I think I'm going to end up buying him back next year if I have a little extra cash...he was a great snake for sure.
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[mdc]

still for sale

Just wanted to keep this going since I still see them for sale on kingsnake without any explanation. 3 years is a lot of time to waste for the people that buy these. Last ad I saw posted was on 6/22/04.

Matt Crabe

 

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IVE SEEN THEM ALL POSTED IN THE SAME POST 100% DBL HET SUNGLOWS, AND DBL HET GHOSTS ARE THESE THE SAME ANIMALS ?IS HE JUST POSTING 1 GROUP AS BOTH AND JUST SELLING THEM AS THE ORDERS COME ALONG? WHATS UP WITH THIS?

 

[Randy T.]

No he is not selling them as both.. He did have a litter of dh ghosts pop out as well as the questioned litter. I hope for the sake of anyone who purchases one that the albino did indeed sire them.. I also hope for their sake that the albino male only had an RI or something similar rather then Falcos own fear of IBD.