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One thing that really got me was the paradox normal. What the hell is the parody there? I cant even think of something sarcastic to say about that.
 
I'm assuming this is referance to me, just to clarify I in no way called it a paradox, simply stated that there are 5 spots that don't belong with the rest of the pattern. Having paradox spots and having enough pattern variation to be called a paradox snake are two completely differant things.
 
I'm not sure who this was aimed at but I've seen my share of "paradox" where people are using it as a sells tactic when its NOTHING to get excited about. It won't pass on to future offsprings, it won't do anything at all for the buyer! Don't get me wrong yes I've seen some pretty cool paradox's but that doesn't mean every time one comes out with a spot in an odd spot we hike up the price and pull the paradox flag! And there's no such thing as paradox spots. paradox is when the base morph shows through from a normal pattern such as an albino with patches of normal ball python or an ivory with patches of yellowbelly. Theres no such thing as paradox spots because they don't belong with the rest of the pattern.
 
So if "paradox" has just started being abused, one is left to imagine the pain "dinker" has been put through...:rofl:
 
rcpreis3 said:
One thing that really got me was the paradox normal. What the hell is the parody there? I cant even think of something sarcastic to say about that.
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MrBig said:
So once they were out, its obvious no double sire but do have some awesome little ones. The one normal has 5 paradox spots, you can see one in the photo, they are little white circles with black dots in various places. Enjoy, I know I did.
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Yes that is what I referenced. While u didn't call it a paradox normal, did use the term "paradox" to describe it. Thus my original post of the abuse of the term paradox. I just dont see how a normal can have a "paradox" to it. A paradox is a morph that has a section of pattern that doesnt represent the morph that has been passed on to it. Even if only one part of the snake represents the the morph, its still the morph, and just an extreme paradox.

Now in honesty you seem like a victim of the misuse originally. Where as u heard it used so much recently that the first thing u thought of when u saw he/she was "paradox." (IMHO)

Believe me I think he/she is gorgeous, and again IHMO, has intense, nice blushing which creates those high white spots. I meant no offense to your animal, u just happened to spark my "need" to post the way I felt the term were being misused. Too make it fair I could reference every post where I thought paradox was misused, that u way u didnt feel u were singled out. And please understand, Im not looking to have some hard feeling towards no one, just have a cracking point and then I gotta say something. :yesnod:

Happy herping!:)
 
RobNJ said:
So if "paradox" has just started being abused, one is left to imagine the pain "dinker" has been put through...:rofl:
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Whips and chains. :rofl:

But with dinker u can be more broad because there are so many little patterns, colors, blushings, bands, stripes u can try to prove out as they're own, or use to clean up a morph. Paradox is pretty much well defined.:D
 
Paradox by definition is a contradiction, making any contradiction from the overall pattern a paradox. This does not mean that it needs 2 morphs to be a paradox, just 2 differant patterns. Do I feel that a snake that has a 1-5% pattern contradiction should be laveled a paradox? NO NO NO! But does that not allow a person showing or selling said snake to note the variation? Do I feel it's worth 1 penny more? Again NO NO NO! I agree with your issue with using it as a sales tactic, but since I have no intention of selling her this is a nonissue here. I too have seen it used in the classifieds and at times said "Get the *&#* outta here. If I were to put this up for sale I would not use the term paradox, but state that she has some unique spots on her that are pretty, but would not adjust the price at all. Figured I would clear up what my opinion was.
 
Sorry Robert, missed your last post before I replied. First off thank you for your considerate response and please no need to go digging for the past examples on my account, I've seen a number of the same ones myself. I took no insult to me or my animal. These boards are here for this purpose, discussion and at times debate. We will all have differing opinions, and my skin is definately thick enough to respect anothers opinion, even and at times especially when it differs from mine or the "norm". Have a great day.
 
I think people have latched onto the term, and many just like using it. A smudge of black (or black spots) on the side of a lesser - while possibly being far enough out of the established look to merit the term paradox - is not really in the same category as the look it has come to describe (in reference to a snake's appearance). Personally, I just use the obvious descriptor "ugly spot".

As far as the snake in question, I saw the post when it first went up.....and my feeling is if I have to look that hard to see it, I'm probably not going to agree with the use of the term paradox in the description. How much does that matter in the grand scheme of things? Not a whole heck of a lot. Must be a slow day on the BOI....:shrug01:


(Yeah, I know, the more times people use the term to describe things we don't think it applies to, the more people will think its the accepted term for all those things. It spreads, and before we know it, misuse is rampant. Oh, wait a second, that already happened.)
 
hhmoore said:
I think people have latched onto the term, and many just like using it. A smudge of black (or black spots) on the side of a lesser - while possibly being far enough out of the established look to merit the term paradox - is not really in the same category as the look it has come to describe (in reference to a snake's appearance). Personally, I just use the obvious descriptor "ugly spot".

As far as the snake in question, I saw the post when it first went up.....and my feeling is if I have to look that hard to see it, I'm probably not going to agree with the use of the term paradox in the description. How much does that matter in the grand scheme of things? Not a whole heck of a lot. Must be a slow day on the BOI....:shrug01:


(Yeah, I know, the more times people use the term to describe things we don't think it applies to, the more people will think its the accepted term for all those things. It spreads, and before we know it, misuse is rampant. Oh, wait a second, that already happened.)
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Thats really funny Harold, you should just give up on the BOI and stick to the discussions they seem to be much more fun. At least you can have fun in this part of fauna.
 
Wow! One must be very cautious when using adjective's on this site. LOL. What's funny is I'm of the same opinion as most of you but this thread originated after a post of mine. When I see a snake advertised as " paradox Suma ( super cinni)" I expect to see a drastic shattered pattern or some crazy color or variation all over the snake and at times you click to look and there is one faded spot, that actually lowers the value to me. This is hypothetically speaking not making a referance to any real snake or person. I've also seen some stunning animals that while they may not pass their insane look to offspring are worth an additional amount based on their unique nature.

Dustin I agree the discussions are much more fun. Avoid the BOI for the most part unless I'm looking for someone or posting a thread. While I don't mind a good debate I try to be alittle more light hearted then the BOI would allow. Happy Herping all.
 
I didn't know that thanks Dustin. No wonder I saw the suma on World of ballpythons and every super cinni I've seen since hasn't lived up, while a few where awesome, they just were not quite as clean as the Suma.
 
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