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[WebSlave]

It has come to my attention that Robyn is making disparaging remarks to members here and apparently on other sites accusing ME of "throwing him under a bus", and other similar cutting remarks. I also have an email myself from Robyn pretty much stating the same claims. However that email will take some editing to remove the profanity, so I'm not going to post it at the moment.

Instead, I did a search on this site for EVERY occurence whereby I used the text string "Robyn" both under my "WebSlave" account, and my "Rich Z" account to find out if perhaps his claims were true. So I will post HERE every word I have said about Robyn on this site so, if possible, you all can tell me exactly who it was that threw whom under a bus. Sort of a timeline of the bus mayhem being alluded to.

Granted, I didn't try to do a search specifically for "SYR" because of the text string limitation in a word search, but if anyone else wants to do that sort of research, please feel free to do so. I thought that surely using the text word "Robyn" would be sufficient.
02-14-2009, 06:50 PM

Yeah, ProExotics is behind it...

Registrant:
Pro Exotics
3911 Norwood Dr.
unit C
Littleton, Colorado 80125
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: SHIPYOURREPTILES.COM
Created on: 29-Aug-08
Expires on: 29-Aug-13
Last Updated on: 09-Feb-09

Administrative Contact:
Markland, Robyn [email protected]
Pro Exotics
3911 Norwood Dr.
unit C
Littleton, Colorado 80125
United States
(303) 347-0500 Fax -- (303) 347-0400

Technical Contact:
Markland, Robyn [email protected]
Pro Exotics
3911 Norwood Dr.
unit C
Littleton, Colorado 80125
United States
(303) 347-0500 Fax -- (303) 347-0400

I wish them well....

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02-22-2009, 01:31 AM

Robyn, yes, I realize it doesn't seem fair, but there are reasons behind my leaving such things "as is". Firstly, this is because of valued legal advice I have received on how to maintain a legally neutral posture for myself and the moderators in relation to what is posted in this forum. By editing a thread title, the editor then becomes a co-author of that thread, and if litigation would result (you never know how these things will go), the editor could legitimately be named as a defendant in a lawsuit.

Secondly, editing is a double edged sword when it comes to credibility. Although it would be nice to edit obvious mistakes, not only in judgement by the poster, but also in corrections of content as well for accuracy, the realization that edits ARE taking place invariably leads to the question of how much you are reading is actually a true and accurate reflection of what the original poster typed in. Most people HIGHLY resent the words that they own here being changed by someone else, and therefore NOT being what they actually said at all.

I believe most people would assume that the title line is merely a come-on anyway, so anyone truly interested in what was being said about the subject of the thread would READ the thread for it's content, and not take for granted that the title tells the total story without any further elaboration.


Welcome back, btw....

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04-30-2009, 05:55 PM

A letter does exist, it is here on my desk. If you have no faith in our reputation or integrity on this issue, there is nothing more I can do about that.

Robyn,
Would "the letter" be the one from corporate that everyone is hoping for, that admits to the exemption from their policy, allowing snake shipping under SYR?

Robyn,

Can you please post a copy of that letter?

Nope, I am not allowed to.

OK, that is fine, I believe most people here would be inclined to believe your word about this, Robyn. But I believe an accurate and complete reply would certainly help in that regard.

Is that letter you have on your desk from UPS from their CORPORATE offices and signed by a significantly high level member of their management staff?

UPS does accept packages on a daily basis containing live harmless snakes that may or may not be known to UPS corporate. That was the case with me for around a year as well, with the knowledge and acceptance of UPS local and regional level staff, but CORPORATE stopped that cold. What people are trying to find out is if this exemption you have is authorized at the CORPORATE level of UPS and not via merely a local or regional office. An overly ambitious sales representative will pretty much say ANYTHING to land a sale, which appears to have been the case in my situation.

I'll be quite honest about it, I don't much like how UPS does these informal exemptions with their shipping regulations at all. We all know many dealers have been shipping live snakes via UPS for years. These businesses are allowed via the "turn a blind eye" policy to ship snakes through them (I suspect your own company did so for years, as have others of note), and yet others are discriminated against by being refused the same service. At least with FedEx, as long as you pass their requirements, they really don't care who you are and make exemptions to the detriment of their competitors.

So yes, people are entirely justified to have some misgivings and doubts about UPS in general, and not YOU specifically. I know I damn well do.

So the question that people are asking that I believe NEEDS to be answered by you, Robyn, is:

Is this exemption letter you say you have on your desk giving SYR (and the people using that service) the ability to ship live harmless snakes via UPS via an exemption granted by the corporate offices of UPS? Yes or No.

And to carry this thought through a step further, if this has in fact been approved through the corporate offices of UPS, and this is a pilot program, does this program have the potential, by design, to lead to a general reversal of their prohibition against shipping live snakes for EVERYONE? Quite frankly, if the answer to this one is "NO", then I would have to ask, "WHY NOT?" And "Who decides who gets this sort of preferential treatment from UPS?"

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04-30-2009, 10:01 PM

Robyn called me this evening (Thanks, Robyn!) and read me the entire letter from the corporate offices of UPS. I am convinced that it is legitimate and a genuine effort if underway to get UPS to accept live non venomous snakes. As the wording of the letter precludes Robyn from posting that letter I agree that it is not in the best interests of this project for him to jeopardize his relationship with UPS by defying a stipulation of that agreement.

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05-21-2010, 09:28 PM

I have to trust Robyn and Rich Z on the contract to ship snakes via UPS. Buried somewhere on this forum the contract got called into question early on and Robyn allowed Rich to see the contract to calm the masses.

That is not precisely accurate. Robyn called me on the phone and read the contract aloud to me over the phone. I have never actually SEEN their contract with UPS itself.

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05-22-2010, 11:40 PM

Perhaps this is why SYR chooses not to post here...

I have windows open on SYR threads on a half dozen forums right now, even more yesterday. I am not lurking and obsessing, they are just open, and I am logged in. Computer is always on, I check them every few hours. The Inquiry Board is not the world's most important gathering place, nor the source for SYR news. Have some perspective. Plus folks are much more reasonable and rationale over here, so there is that

I have a screenshot as well if the posts end up being edited...

All things considered, I find that quote kind of comical....

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05-23-2010, 02:35 AM

Melinda,

He wasnt saying anything negative to anyone but SouthernWolf. As for them answering our questions in a public forum, I would "imagine" for legality reasons he wont state one way or another. I am just one who believes that they did in fact have one is all.

Now, if I were SouthernWolf, I would have been rubbed by what Robyn said. I will admit that he could have made his point without being so rash about it towards SouthernWolf "Kevin". But, as Kevin has stated many times throughout many forums, he was NOT a SYR customer thus Robyn NOT feeling like he is owing him an answer. I can relate to those feelings as I would probably feel the same way.

Well, it certainly rubbed me the wrong way to see Robyn's apparent opinion of this site expressed like he did.

Since I'm sure Robyn is reading this thread, I think I should make a policy statement about helping him in the future such as I did when he called me about this "waiver" that people are concerned about again. In short, Robyn, don't come to me for help again. For anything. Apparently it is beneath you to come here to answer people's questions about this issue, so this is your own bed to lie in. Quite frankly, I now feel USED when you came to me to help you get your SYR business off the ground and this very same question about the legitimacy of your "waiver" was brought up here. In my opinion, you could have read me ANYTHING written by ANYONE over the phone, as I have no tangible proof whatsoever concerning WHO wrote that text you read to me then. I do regret that I took you and your claims at face value earlier.

Personally, I believe the people here either currently or potentially using the services you offer have a legitimate reason to want to know the TRUTH. If I were in the shoes of those people relying on your services for their own business needs, I certainly would not be happy with the apparent question dodging now taking place from you. Quite frankly, if UPS can pull the rug out from under you (and therefor your customers) without warning, as they have now apparently done, then unless you have an iron-clad CONTRACT from them that they cannot revoke at whim without notice, then you are doing your customers a disservice by putting their animals and business transactions in jeopardy by being transported by UPS through your company without any guarantee of VERIFIABLY authorized passage.

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So, OK, where's the BEEF?

Robyn, if you somehow took what I said as being disparaging towards you and/or SYR, it was not intended that way and I apologize. But seriously, I just don't think that happened the way you seem to believe it has. I really didn't care one way or another about SYR, as I had no intentions whatsoever of EVER utilizing UPS for my animal shipping needs. My beef was with UPS because of what they pulled on me, not with SYR.

And Robyn, just for the record, please stop using the facilities of my site to send members correspondence that is derogatory and inflammatory in nature towards myself and this site. That is not appropriate behavior, in my opinion.

 

[The BoidSmith]

Rich, to be able to search a three letter word like SYR you type SYR*

 

[WebSlave]

Rich, to be able to search a three letter word like SYR you type SYR*

Thank you. Apparently I have reached the point whereby I have forgotten more than I remember. It never made me feel bad to think that I had forgotten more than someone else knows, but this is an entirely different kettle of fish when looked at in this context.....

And that search didn't turn up anything relevant to "bus run overs".

 

[The BoidSmith]

Well, it's funny I remember that but not the name of a person that I was introduced to a couple of days ago.

 

[Lucille]

It has come to my attention that Robyn is making disparaging remarks to members here and apparently on other sites

Robyn.

That is no way to do business. No one has ever made it big by acting dishonorably, running around like a high school girl whispering behind people's backs.

It's a tough world, the business world. Yet, one can still be a mover and shaker and a man of honor.

This site is the work of a lifetime and has many supporters. It has the backing of many in the reptile world.

Robyn, I would actually go out of my way to avoid doing business with you, or any companies you might be a part of.

 

[Python Dreams]

Why do you feel that anyone has to come to any website and respond? I see so much hypocrisy and crap in this thread, that I dont see it as having any legitemacy, nor the need to try an convince you guys of anything, since it will not matter. Some of you have the aggression and logic of PETA or the HSUS to go after SYR as the people that ruined reptile shipping. Yet if it starts up, the business will probably flourish (at least for some time). The demands of people by a certain small group on this website have really gotten "interesting" over the years.

brd766,
I will probably never use SYR. I have never used SYR. Have never bought anything from Pro Exotics, and now that I have a couple Desert cross males dont think I will need to. Why are any pms your business? Do people actually get to watch who pms who? You really think I need to have a co-conspirator to point out a load of hypocritical crap? You really have nothing of substance to add so you just blow out wothless smoke! Are you an adult?

lucille,
Nice scthick... Way to go son! Word!

crotalusdementus,

Yep. If we want to KNOW that they are offering the service legitimately before using them, then why shouldn't we get some proof, other then some third party popping in and saying it's a done deal?

I 100% agree that if you need proof to use SYR to ship reptiles, then you should ask. If no proof is given, then you shouldnt use their service. Pure and simple... Should you be able to demand what any business does to suit your neeeds? I guess it just depends how arrogant one wants to be.....

Deborah,
Have animals been stranded with Fed Ex? Have any lizards ever been stranded with UPS? Have any reptiles been stranded with Delta? Have people had to drive and pick up reptiles ever when using any of these 3 services before and after SYR? So if SYR fails and the shipping world is exactly as it was before they came, you still feel that "Customers left without a viable shipping option when the rug was pulled is a "joke?" So SYR OWES you a way to ship reptiles? Funny how much you deserve from any company...


Just a couple questions...
1)How much money does SYR owe to people that they screwed over while using UPS?
2)How has the shipping world changed after Reptster and SYR? By this I mean what company policies were changed within UPS, Fed Ex, and Delta after Repster and SYR failed?

Maybe I am wrong.... Maybe all three companies happily shipped snakes door to door and Repster and SYR screwed that all up. But for some odd reason, I feel like shipping policies have been more or less the same outside of Fed Ex certification process.

 

[deborahbroadus]

Wow, what a way to be off the point.

Why do you feel that anyone has to come to any website and respond? I see so much hypocrisy and crap in this thread, that I dont see it as having any legitemacy, nor the need to try an convince you guys of anything, since it will not matter. Some of you have the aggression and logic of PETA or the HSUS to go after SYR as the people that ruined reptile shipping. Yet if it starts up, the business will probably flourish (at least for some time). The demands of people by a certain small group on this website have really gotten "interesting" over the years.

brd766,
I will probably never use SYR. I have never used SYR. Have never bought anything from Pro Exotics, and now that I have a couple Desert cross males dont think I will need to. Why are any pms your business? Do people actually get to watch who pms who? You really think I need to have a co-conspirator to point out a load of hypocritical crap? You really have nothing of substance to add so you just blow out wothless smoke! Are you an adult?

lucille,
Nice scthick... Way to go son! Word!

crotalusdementus,

I 100% agree that if you need proof to use SYR to ship reptiles, then you should ask. If no proof is given, then you shouldnt use their service. Pure and simple... Should you be able to demand what any business does to suit your neeeds? I guess it just depends how arrogant one wants to be.....

Deborah,
Have animals been stranded with Fed Ex? Have any lizards ever been stranded with UPS? Have any reptiles been stranded with Delta? Have people had to drive and pick up reptiles ever when using any of these 3 services before and after SYR? So if SYR fails and the shipping world is exactly as it was before they came, you still feel that "Customers left without a viable shipping option when the rug was pulled is a "joke?" So SYR OWES you a way to ship reptiles? Funny how much you deserve from any company...


Just a couple questions...
1)How much money does SYR owe to people that they screwed over while using UPS?
2)How has the shipping world changed after Reptster and SYR? By this I mean what company policies were changed within UPS, Fed Ex, and Delta after Repster and SYR failed?

Maybe I am wrong.... Maybe all three companies happily shipped snakes door to door and Repster and SYR screwed that all up. But for some odd reason, I feel like shipping policies have been more or less the same outside of Fed Ex certification process.

 

[brd7666]

Yet if it starts up, the business will probably flourish (at least for some time).

By this I mean what company policies were changed within UPS, Fed Ex, and Delta after Repster and SYR failed?

You don't seem to understand. I don't care if the business flourishes, that's fine. It can flourish all it's wants. It's not the responsible people who use SYR that are the problem, it's the people who will use the service who SHOULD NOT ship in the first place. What any third party shipping company is doing, is making it easier for these people who should not ship. The people who shouldn't ship, and the problems that will arise from those people is inevitable.


People are too focused on "What policies have changed" to see the damage that third party shipping has already caused. Because of the problems that were caused by third party shippers, the chances of UPS opening up to the idea of letting small reptile business owners ship snakes through their service has been ruined, or to say the least, set back to the point where they may never even consider allowing it again. Those problems are a direct result of allowing uncertified, or unqualified people to ship.

Since the small business owner cannot ship snakes through UPS, and by the looks of it, never will. It only leaves Fedex for over night service. If this service is lost, because of bad people using the third party shipper, and Fedex decides to eliminate snake shipping all together, the only people who will still be allowed to ship snakes will be the big breeders. This will hurt the small breeder in a major way. Even if Robyn's business ruins shipping for the small business, his business will still be allowed to ship snakes. Even after UPS stopped accepting snake shipments through SYR, Robyn was still allowed to ship snakes through UPS.

There are a lot of the big breeders who are allowed to ship snakes through UPS. They just don't let anyone use their service.

Whenever there is a mishap in the shipping services, people who are not even affected by that mishap see it. Those are people of the community, most of which don't like snakes to begin with. So when problems occur, people will question the actual shipping company as to what kind of standards they have. It can have a serious negative impact on the shipping company, because it is a direct reflection on them.

I hope these problems don't happen, but for those of you who don't see what could happen with this, and how much easier they are making it so that it can, and will happen, then you just lack the understanding.

 

[KelliH]

This is silly. It makes no sense to me that some of you think that if shippers screw up somehow when using SYR it is more detrimental than when shippers screw up using Fed Ex by shipping from or to a resident.

And Tom is right, no shipping company policy has changed due to SYR, Reptiles Express or Reptster getting shut down.

Another ridiculous assumption is that Robyn and Pro Exotics would risk everything by falsifying a document or lying about UPS allowing snake shipping to PE and their customers. Pro Exotics has been in business for a long time, way longer than most posting in this thread have been. It just makes no sense that PE would take a risk like that. The gossiping, speculation and false accusations are becoming more and more common here, and it really needs to stop.

 

[deborahbroadus]

This is silly. It makes no sense to me that some of you think that if shippers screw up somehow when using SYR it is more detrimental than when shippers screw up using Fed Ex by shipping from or to a resident.

And Tom is right, no shipping company policy has changed due to SYR, Reptiles Express or Reptster getting shut down.

Another ridiculous assumption is that Robyn and Pro Exotics would risk everything by falsifying a document or lying about UPS allowing snake shipping to PE and their customers. Pro Exotics has been in business for a long time, way longer than most posting in this thread have been. It just makes no sense that PE would take a risk like that. The gossiping, speculation and false accusations are becoming more and more common here, and it really needs to stop.

Silly how?

Can you guarantee, that UPS will give the small breeders a chance to use their medium for shipping? Or, are they more set than ever never to allow snakes to be shipped unless one is spending BIG bucks?

It's not gossip when someone says, "I SHOWED the waiver to so-and-so" and later we find out that they only READ it over the phone.

It's not speculation when a website says one can ship snakes while at the same time stating one should follow the TOS of that shipping company when the TOS of that shipping company forbids it. (this shows double-speak)

IMO, the fact that they showed it to some invalidated their claim of being unable to show it PERIOD. They are no longer under UPS, why don't they show it NOW?

Personally, I don't care how long anyone has been in business, we've all been around long enough to know that "long term breeders/business persons" also lie, and rip people off.

 

[KelliH]

OK, let's start with the waiver thing. Can you show me where Robyn or Pro Exotics stated that they SHOWED the waiver to someone.

 

[Southern Wolf]

I think it was shown to Larry of RR... and read to Rich

 

[deborahbroadus]

I think it was shown to Larry of RR... and read to Rich

This is what he told ME:

I can't remember all of the details between so many forums but regarding our snake exception with UPS, we were specifically instructed NOT to show it to the public, or share it with customers. If there was a hang up, or counter refusal, we called UPS, and they called that particular counter/drop off spot to verify the waiver and get the package on its way, for a normal next day arrival.

At 800 packages a week, that call happened 3-5 times a week, week in, week out. That system worked very well, very smoothly.

With all the bloviating on the BOI, I actually did end up sharing the exception with Larry Suttles at Bush League for verification.

I had shared it with BOI Rich as well, and he said he was completely satisfied, but then a year later he backed away from it, and threw us under the bus.

"Share" should mean, "Showed" I am not prone to trust people that play word games. All these people were "completely satisified." So if he SHARED it with others and already broke the contract, imo....there should be no problem SHARING it again.

 

[deborahbroadus]

This is what he told ME:



"Share" should mean, "Showed" I am not prone to trust people that play word games. All these people were "completely satisified." So if he SHARED it with others and already broke the contract, imo....there should be no problem SHARING it again.

Clarifying the bolded because I also play word games: In instances where our word is all we have to go by.

I think at least ONE post says they wouldn't trust Robyn any farther than they could throw him because of previous business dealings.

 

[brd7666]

Larry did make a statement that he was shown the waiver. I have searched a few sites, because I thought I saw where Robyn said that he showed it to Larry, but if I did see it, I can't find it. It is possible to edit post's on many sites. Here is what Larry said.

In the next pic, you will see Robyn bragging about how he can still ship snakes through UPS when everyone else who used his service can't. He also says that there are problems with third party shipping. It's these problems that can hurt our ability to continue to ship snakes. Third party shippers have been nothing but bad news for the industry. And now, we even have a new person to ad to the list of James Bond.

Repster was a bad experience for sure. There are some differences though. I don't recall any Reptster shipments bringing negative press like SYR has. Reptster didn't last long either. Had Repster lasted longer, I'm sure there would have been problems. Negative press is one of the biggest things that gets the general public to turn against us.

There was a bright side to the Repster ordeal. It helped to educate the people at Fedex so they can recognize potential scams so that it can't happen again. So it made Fedex more aware of shipping abusers.

 

[hhmoore]

I can only guess that the PMs between Robyn and myself were discussed by Robyn, or simply guessed at, as I have mentioned them to noone. From what I have seen posted, they didn't have a whole lot in common with with those sent to others....and I'm not sure what the big deal is, or why they were mentioned - especially by somebody other than Robyn or myself.
Having watched as things developed, I can fully understand why Robyn chooses not to participate here....though I do disagree with him publicly bashing this site in the process.
He has found the atmosphere at another forum(s) more to his desire - I don't see that as a huge deal, in and of itself...heck, I can't say that I don't prefer certain forums over others. There is even a forum that I refuse to participate on, and only (grudgingly) follow an occasional link to - the reason is 100% personal, and developed without the direct negativity that Robyn experienced here.

For all the objections, I have yet to see any solid indication that UPS was going to open it services to small time snake shippers...or that SYR's endeavor with them had a negative impact on that.
Yes - some shippers use UPS regularly, and this occurs both with & without UPS' blessings. I am of the camp that dislikes the apparent double standard demonstrated by UPS...but I recognize that I have no way of knowing who is "allowed", or from level that permission may have been granted. What I KNOW is that the volume of people shipping snakes exclusively through UPS is far to great for a company that emphatically refuses to ship snakes, and denies the service to so many legitimate businesses. (While I've previously acknowledged that in some cases, a blind eye is turned in favor of volume/revenue, there are many UPS users that don't ship any more often than I do.)

Coming back to this thread - I don't think that those of us that strive to ship in compliance with both the TOS of our chosen carrier, and the established law, should be subjected to ridicule or disdain. Maybe it isn't the norm - but there is no reason that we shouldn't collectively try to change that.

 

[hhmoore]

(Wow - I really wish I had proofread that before submitting it )

 

[Python Dreams]

brd766,

People are too focused on "What policies have changed" to see the damage that third party shipping has already caused. Because of the problems that were caused by third party shippers, the chances of UPS opening up to the idea of letting small reptile business owners ship snakes through their service has been ruined, or to say the least, set back to the point where they may never even consider allowing it again. Those problems are a direct result of allowing uncertified, or unqualified people to ship.

The thing is people arent really focusing on it, because nothing at all has changed. Where do you get your information? Do you have contacts at UPS that tells you that? How close were you to getting to UPS to ship snakes before the SYR fiasco? Are you under the impression that people dont ship reptiles horribly without SYR? Do you think people dont break Fed Ex certification rules from shipping res to res or biz to res? You for some reason think putting SYR on the package will effect the reptile industry more than if it just has some name on there? O.....K.....

Deborah,

Can you guarantee, that UPS will give the small breeders a chance to use their medium for shipping? Or, are they more set than ever never to allow snakes to be shipped unless one is spending BIG bucks?

What does that have to do with anything? Can you guarantee anything about any company? I would like to hear what you personally have done to ensure UPS will ship snakes in the future? Also, If you get SYR to close its doors I would like your personal guarantee that Fed Ex will always continue to ship reptiles! Can you answer one question Deborah? Outside of not being able to use SYR when they shut down (it is not your right to use SYR).... What factual negative effect or change has happened to shipping as a result of SYR (hard question to see I guess)?

KelliH,

Another ridiculous assumption is that Robyn and Pro Exotics would risk everything by falsifying a document or lying about UPS allowing snake shipping to PE and their customers. Pro Exotics has been in business for a long time, way longer than most posting in this thread have been. It just makes no sense that PE would take a risk like that. The gossiping, speculation and false accusations are becoming more and more common here, and it really needs to stop.

That was my point to Lucille. See how far you can get lying and falsyfing documents to ship snakes with UPS. Not very many packages will get shipped.


I also keep hearing this complaint that big businesses get this or that... Dont you understand that just about every company out there goes out of their way to keep their biggest clients happy? If someone is spending a hundred thousand a year with a company, dont you think they will get treated differently than someone spending $1,250? The larger clients have a direct effect on how well your business runs at the end of the day, and therefor your business needs the larger clients. They can directly effect your livelyhood, where the smaller clients really cant effect anything. Do you guys really feel that U.P.S. or Fed Ex owes you something? What exactly have any of you done to help out reptile shipping in the U.S.?

 

[zzzdanz]

Well said Tom

 

[deborahbroadus]

The questions regarding our opinions have been asnwered ad nauseam in the thread. All you seem to be doing is making it seem like those questions haven't been answered.

brd766,


The thing is people arent really focusing on it, because nothing at all has changed. Where do you get your information? Do you have contacts at UPS that tells you that? How close were you to getting to UPS to ship snakes before the SYR fiasco? Are you under the impression that people dont ship reptiles horribly without SYR? Do you think people dont break Fed Ex certification rules from shipping res to res or biz to res? You for some reason think putting SYR on the package will effect the reptile industry more than if it just has some name on there? O.....K.....

Deborah,


What does that have to do with anything? Can you guarantee anything about any company? I would like to hear what you personally have done to ensure UPS will ship snakes in the future? Also, If you get SYR to close its doors I would like your personal guarantee that Fed Ex will always continue to ship reptiles! Can you answer one question Deborah? Outside of not being able to use SYR when they shut down (it is not your right to use SYR).... What factual negative effect or change has happened to shipping as a result of SYR (hard question to see I guess)?

KelliH,


That was my point to Lucille. See how far you can get lying and falsyfing documents to ship snakes with UPS. Not very many packages will get shipped.


I also keep hearing this complaint that big businesses get this or that... Dont you understand that just about every company out there goes out of their way to keep their biggest clients happy? If someone is spending a hundred thousand a year with a company, dont you think they will get treated differently than someone spending $1,250? The larger clients have a direct effect on how well your business runs at the end of the day, and therefor your business needs the larger clients. They can directly effect your livelyhood, where the smaller clients really cant effect anything. Do you guys really feel that U.P.S. or Fed Ex owes you something? What exactly have any of you done to help out reptile shipping in the U.S.?