Bad Guy Reptidoc Dr. Darryl G. Walker

[TripleMoonsExotic]

I'm sorry I am going to be leaving this situation as is. My involvement is done. I'm getting threats now and I will absolutely not put myself in a situation where I am getting threats.

Who is threatening you and in what manner are the threats being made? Threatening someone is serious business and it is concerning if the suspected guilty party is the one making such threats.

 

[HighVoltageRoyals]

Who is threatening you and in what manner are the threats being made? Threatening someone is serious business and it is concerning if the suspected guilty party is the one making such threats.

Threats should not be taken lightly EVER. Please make it public as to who is threatening you (and please post proof of the threat). This is just uncalled for...

 

[StormyWilde]

Has anyone had adults/sub adults die with similar symptoms, or are these just 2010's?

Does anyone know if the hatchlings were brumated?

I purchased two adults from Doc last summer and have had no issues with the snakes, nor their condition when they arrived. They are both healthy, never refuse a meal and love people. So I was pretty shocked to see all of this going on.

 

[Pasodama]

Bronwen, receiving threats is completely uncalled for.
If you are receiving threats, of legal action, have no worries as you have done nothing wrong. Sure, they can file a claim (usually libel is what is threatened) but that does not mean that they would win.
If you are receiving threats, of physical harm, I would go, at once, to your local police (city, county, or state police) and file a report (or reports). The police may state that there is nothing that they can do about it but that is untrue ... have them take the report, anyway, and get a copy of the report. There are other options and, if you need help, let me know and I will point you in the direction/s you can/need to go.

 

[Jdog3131]

I know I stated I was going to wait on necro results before I posted but in light of recent events I don't see how I can wait. I am not bashing anyone here just giving the facts on the snakes in question of mine.
My name is Bob Brown, I purchased six snakes from Doc Walker in February.
They arrived here in London on the 18th, Doc forgot to send me the tracking number so they had to sit at Fedex until the morning of the 19th. The snakes arrived in a non insulated box which I thought odd since my other snakes had arrived in one. I was told by Doc to feed the snakes that weekend becuase it had been ten days since they had eaten last. I knew better but I followed his advice and fed them. Five ate the hypo sk was in shed and he was fed after his shed which was a couple days later. There were no regurges from any of them. I have the emails of what I have just said if someone can tell me how the best way to put them here I will.
The hatchlings once in my care were put in idividual six quart sterlite boxes, I use newspaper instead of aspen, they were put on a five day feeding schedule. I will admit a couple of times they were fed on the sixth day and once on the seventh. The boxes are cleaned twice a week and clean water is available to them at all times. I raise my own mice and rats and every snake in my collection is fed from these. They were kept at from 78 to 82 degrees f.
On March 20th the first hatchling died, she had been fed five days before and had no regurges. She was lethargic, limp when picked up and soon died that day. At the time I chalked it up to you will lose one occasionally. The rest of the hatchlings looked fine and acted fine at that time.
On March 30th I contacted Doc about an adult female amel he had listed for $125 shipped and told him about the hatchling dying. He told me he would throw in a replacement hatchling with the order of the adult female. So I agreed. At this time I really didn't think it was a problem coming from Doc Walker and told him so in the email. At that time I had not seen all the posts on here and other sites about snakes from him dying. The replacement was not what I had originally ordered and he gave me 3 to choose from but when I made my choice he was out of them, this was a 2 day time span. So I got an amber female ph butter. The price was $130 shipped for the two when the adult was listed at $125 shipped and I paid pay pal fees. The snakes arrived on 4/5/11 and I picked them up early. They were in the smallest box I have seen anything live shipped in (I still have the box) I made the box into a temporary hide for the adult female. When I arrived home I noticed another sick female from the original six I purchased. She had regurged though and showed the same symptoms as the first female that died. She had been fed four days before. She passed away later that evening. After I got the two new snakes settled in I wrote Doc Walker and told him the snakes had arrived and were alive and that I had lost another hatchling. At this point I had really begun to doubt myself and asked what I was doing wrong. I explained the symptoms and thier appearance that they looked dehydrated and emaciated but all had water and all were eating well. I had sent this as a reply and not a new email so he changed the email subject to dehydration issues. After emailing Doc I was frantic for help and posted a thread both on fauna and on two other sites. All I was asking for was help, I did not bash anyone or blame anyone.
On 4/10/11 my male hypo sk died, he had regurged two days before and had been fed 4 days before he died. The females went quietly I say him die and at first he acted like he was coiling on a pinkie and rolling like that over and over, then he was gone. The two females died with thier mouths closed his was wide open. It looked painful when he went. But I know that is just guessing upon my part.
I have another male from the same purchase that regurged the day the male hypo sk died, and then two days later I was watching him and he started acting funny and he tried to regurge again but there was no food in him.
At this point he is still alive and I have kept everyone updated on him and the whole situation. And will continue to do so.
I am sending two snakes to be tested and as soon as that comes back I will post all results on here. I would like to thank all who have responded with kind words and thier wisdom. In my last email update to Doc Walker I told him all that was going on and that I had posted a thread for help. He told me that he wished I had not done that and that no one could help me with the snakes other than telling me to get them necropsied. And told me he has no snakes dying in his collection. I really wanted to wait on posting this here until the results came back but with so many urging me to go ahead and one of the people trying to help me being threatened over snakes dying I felt I should go ahead and tell what has happened here. I have pics of the dead snakes I have the emails where I have updated Doc Walker on the snakes.
I will gladly put them all here if someone can tell me how to do like the screen shot of them or something. Cut and paste is easy but I don't want anyone saying the emails were changed in any way. Also one of the biggest excuses about the snakes dying from any of us involved is that we are new to snakes and is our fault. I got my first snakes in 1985 and in the 90s is when my collection grew and expanded. I kept everything from corns to hots and we did breed and hatch corns, milks, kings and some live bearing pitviper offspring.
No I am not an expert, I still learn something new every day. I think when it gets to the point to where we still can't learn we should find something new to do.
Ok with all this said, here is what you can bash me for and I will accept it. I only quarintined the hatchlings for three weeks, but the rest of my collection is fine from what I can tell at this moment. I don't wiegh the snakes and I am bad at keeping feeding records. I know when they eat and don't for the collection is small. And as I have stated they all ate up till they died.
I have not asked Doc Walker about the other people with snakes that have died, maybe I should have. In his last email to me he was more worried about people starting on him and finding out where the sick snakes came from than anything else.
As I have stated I have all the emails and pics. I can provide up to date pics on them and the rest of my collection so you can see the rest of my snakes are healthy and well taken care of. If you have questions you can pm me here or send me emails to [email protected]
I will answer all questions put forth. I will end this with saying I am ashamed and sickened by the threats to Nonvenomous over dying snakes. What have we become for this kind of thing to bare its ugly head in our community.

Yikes I'm very sorry about whats going on.
I hope everything works out

 

[Clay Davenport]

I'm sorry I am going to be leaving this situation as is. My involvement is done. I'm getting threats now and I will absolutely not put myself in a situation where I am getting threats.

Also if you have received any physical threats using any of the resources of this site, by PM or being emailed through this site, you should forward that to one of the Mods.
Threats are not tolerated here by any means using site resources, whether it's public or private.

 

[Outcast]

I believe the threats were threats of being banned and getting more infractions for not posting names of people in the original post by Nonvenomous. Though I agree with everyone else, if it is actual threats against your life, or character, you should forward them to the mods and let them take it to the other parties...

 

[WebSlave]

I believe the threats were threats of being banned and getting more infractions for not posting names of people in the original post by Nonvenomous. Though I agree with everyone else, if it is actual threats against your life, or character, you should forward them to the mods and let them take it to the other parties...

I SERIOUSLY doubt that this is the case here....... Please don't try to make the mods look like bad guys with your unfounded speculation.

 

[Outcast]

I am getting a lot of problems from the MODS as I am not providing full names of the people who are claiming about snakes from Dr. Darryl G. Walker. They said that, as per rules, my summary may be deleted if I don't provide all names.

I am getting a lot of negative attention for just summarizing what I can read in plain English on other sites, and there are threats of deletion. So I beg of any people involved, that haven't come forward, to come forward.

1) Threat of deletion, which is understandable, because of BOI Rules.

I'm sorry I am going to be leaving this situation as is. My involvement is done. I'm getting threats now and I will absolutely not put myself in a situation where I am getting threats.

2) In the next post this person wrote about how they are receiving more threats...

I SERIOUSLY doubt that this is the case here....... Please don't try to make the mods look like bad guys with your unfounded speculation.

You may find my speculation unfounded, but the way that persons posts were leaning, it seemed as though even though they were making the steps in the right direction to fix their original post, they were still getting in trouble by the mods. I understand, more than most, that rules are rules and need to be followed. Which is why I said in the last part of my post that

Though I agree with everyone else, if it is actual threats against your life, or character, you should forward them to the mods and let them take it to the other parties...

What I meant by this was if it was not threats by the mods then those threats need to be taken to the mods or even to yourself, in order to be followed up on with the correct response, (ie. infraction, banning, or whatever need be done).

I did not mean to make the mods look like "bad guys", I was just pointing out another possible means to the threats that the person was receiving. Threats from mods are not so far fetched, it happens in all sorts of places. Though I do have to admit, this would be the first time I had heard of malicious threats from the mods here.

 

[crotalis40741]

For those of you following this thread, I have sent two hatchlings off for testing and as soon as results are back I will post them here.
bob brown

 

[Reptiledoc]

I have just received my very FIRST Email Notification An Hour Ago telling me that this thread is active again and now realize that it has been active for an entire week. Had I known I would have responded sooner.

I am really at a loss as to what is going on here. I am not having any snakes dying on my end and other than the people who have spoken up here, I have not heard of anything like this happening to any of the other customers and have not had anything like this happen in the past.

I wanted to make a couple things clear before I lose my train of thought:

I never have or never would make any threats to anyone about anything. I have no idea who IS making threatening comments but it is definitely not Me.

I do not brumate any of my hatchlings. I feed everything thru the winter and keep all the hatchlings in a seperate heated room during the winter when I am brumating the Adults.

I still do not understand why all these snakes that hatched last summer and early fall are eating and digesting normally and appear to be perfectly healthy on my end and then go sideways after they arent here anymore. I am not blaming anyone for anything. I want answers also but the only way I can do a Necro on one of my animals would be if I Killed something and then took it to the Vet. They arent dying on my end.

As far as Josh's comment about me trying to unload as many Sick Animals as quickly as possible is not only Untrue but really Presumptuous and Unfair.
As I said above, I wasn't even aware that this thread was active again until tonite. I never have or never will knowlingly sell a sick animal to anyone.
I listed several Adult Animals for sale this Spring because it is the best time for others to be able to buy Animals that were brumated and ready to breed.
I have started new projects and the Animals for Sale no longer fit into those projects. Springtime is always the best time to sell anything.

I have been in touch with Bob Brown in a very concerned and helpful context more than once since his problems arose. I told him that "I wish he hadnt said anything about this" until he got the Results Back from the Necropsy so there would be useful information to share on this mystery. I offered to split the cost of the Necrospy.
He said he would keep me posted. I havent heard anything else from Him since April 10th until I chimed in on this thread.
He expressed great concern in His email and asked me Specifically if there was anything that I thought that 'He' Could be doing wrong to feed into this problem. I did not blame him for anything, all I did was mention all the things I could think of that might feed into a decline in their health. I basically gave him a checklist to rule out possibilities. He seemed thankful for the information.

Non-Venomous said that She would feel better buying Snakes from me after this all got cleared up and I told her I understood and respected her decision.

If this was a shipping issue, I would think that I would have had this problem arise many years ago.

I have to get some sleep. I will check back in tomorrow. Hopefully Bob's results will be back by then.

 

[Vinman]

Wow I thought this thread was over, Josh dont seem to look as bad as he did any more. Josh it is all how you wright, you need to word you posts better and don't let stupid comments get to your temper. I hope Reptile Doc gets to the bottom of this. I know. Doc walker stands behinds his animals.

 

[crotalis40741]

It was actually the 14th that I contacted Doc on the issues and let him know what was going on, I am posting the email so things can not be taken out of context. If someone prefers a screen capture and can tell me how to do that I will.


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Why would you be sending Me money for anything? You dont owe me anything. I do wish you hadnt said anything on CS. Nobody could offer any help besides suggesting that you get a Necro. I dont want any trouble makers asking where the snakes came from and trying to wage more warfare before you get results back. I really hope the results of the testing are conclusive and confirm that I did nothing wrong. I do not know why I am having No Animals dying on my end. It is very troubling. Thanks for keeping me posted.


Dr. Darryl G. Walker



Website: http://www.DocSSnakes.com
Email: [email protected]



----- Original Message -----
From: "bob brown" <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 1:47:16 AM
Subject: Update on snakes

Hi sir,
I told you I would keep you updated here is what is happening at the moment with them.
I have lost 3 out of the original 6, I have another male showing the same symptoms but
at the moment is still alive. I am sending two to be tested should be going out in a couple
days. I will let you know the results from the testing. If is found to be caused by me I will
send you the money for the amber female in full. If found the other way I will let you know
what happened and send a copy of the necros.
I have posted on CS asking for help as to what might be happening with the snakes, I have not
bashed anyone or made any statements that are derogatory. Just asking for help.
I don't understand it, I have raised snakes off and on since 85' and never had this happen, yeah
everyone loses them on occasion. I may not be up on all the genes and all that are available now
but I have 19 corns here at the moment and some I have had since last summer and are doing great

take care and I hope to have some test results soon
bob

 

[Reptiledoc]

I stand corrected on the date.

Any news yet Bob?

 

[crotalis40741]

No Sir,
They will be heading to the lab in the morning. I just got word they arrived at the vets office this morning. As soon as I know anything I will send you copies of the results.
bob brown

 

[Vinman]

Don't worry Dr. D does the right thing . If there is a problem on his end I know he will do the right thing by you.

See Josh if you would have taking one or Two animals to the Vet then you would have had something to go on, to see if you and Bob Brown had the same pathogens in the animals you both got from doc. Without that you have nothing to go with. Now if others that are having problems all have a common Pathogens then I'm sure you had the same thing going on and maybe you and Doc can patch things up .

 

[Willis Wildlife Enterprises]

Just an FYI as to the necropsies that Bob Brown is having done on the two hatchlings:

I have been reading both this thread and the thread Bob started on CS.com. He had mentioned that he had difficulty finding a vet that would do a necropsy on a snake, and then the price he was quoted was well beyond Bob's financial abilities. As a veterinary technician, I did a little research and discovered that Idexx Lab, the one our hospital uses for special bloodwork, histopathologies, etc, is able to do a necropsy with histopathologies on several organs, if needed, on small exotic animals, reptiles includes, for a specific fee depending upon the size (under 10 grams and 10-30 grams) for much less than what he was quoted. I told Bob that if need be, I would have this done for him at my employee discounted rate as I would send the snakes out under my name, which makes it even that much more affordable by Bob. I can even wait until June for payment as that is when I am expected to pay my charges at work. All Bob needed to do was get a jar of formalin from his vet, properly prepare (open the body cavity) and put the dead hatchling in it and send it to me. Unfortunately, his vet would not give him the jar of formalin so I had to send one to him and then have him return it to me. The return package, containing the last 2 hatchlings to die preserved in formalin, was received late this morning at the veterinary hospital I work at. I filled out the required form and the two hatchlings will be picked up by the lab this evening around 7PM (the usual evening pick-up time). Results of the necropsies can be expected in 3-5 business days. Due to the time lag of snail mail, the dead hatchlings ended up having to be kept in the freezer, which may affect how much information can be obtained on a necropsy. The bodies of the 2 hatchlings looked outwardly to be in good condition (minimal necrosis of the tissues), I my professional opinion.

 

[Reptiledoc]

Just an FYI as to the necropsies that Bob Brown is having done on the two hatchlings:

I have been reading both this thread and the thread Bob started on CS.com. He had mentioned that he had difficulty finding a vet that would do a necropsy on a snake, and then the price he was quoted was well beyond Bob's financial abilities. As a veterinary technician, I did a little research and discovered that Idexx Lab, the one our hospital uses for special bloodwork, histopathologies, etc, is able to do a necropsy with histopathologies on several organs, if needed, on small exotic animals, reptiles includes, for a specific fee depending upon the size (under 10 grams and 10-30 grams) for much less than what he was quoted. I told Bob that if need be, I would have this done for him at my employee discounted rate as I would send the snakes out under my name, which makes it even that much more affordable by Bob. I can even wait until June for payment as that is when I am expected to pay my charges at work. All Bob needed to do was get a jar of formalin from his vet, properly prepare (open the body cavity) and put the dead hatchling in it and send it to me. Unfortunately, his vet would not give him the jar of formalin so I had to send one to him and then have him return it to me. The return package, containing the last 2 hatchlings to die preserved in formalin, was received late this morning at the veterinary hospital I work at. I filled out the required form and the two hatchlings will be picked up by the lab this evening around 7PM (the usual evening pick-up time). Results of the necropsies can be expected in 3-5 business days. Due to the time lag of snail mail, the dead hatchlings ended up having to be kept in the freezer, which may affect how much information can be obtained on a necropsy. The bodies of the 2 hatchlings looked outwardly to be in good condition (minimal necrosis of the tissues), I my professional opinion.

I have no problem paying for this to be done in order to bring this entire nightmare to an end. I can Paypal the money to Bob if necessary. I am very upset that any of these snakes are having issues. I am even more upset that comments are being made by certain people on this thread insisting that I am deliberately trying to jerk people around and endanger the health of their snake collections by selling them sick animals. I want this to all be correct for everybody involved.
Lets please stop all the slander and just get to the bottom of this. Thanks.

 

[Willis Wildlife Enterprises]

As I told Bob when we discussed payment, I need to wait for the invoice to come in from the lab. I do not know exactly how much of a discount I will get, if any, as their rules may have changes since the last time I used them personally. I also don't know when these necropsies will be on the bill...if there is a delay between service and billing. Once I find out how much I need to pay, I will contact you and you can PayPal me directly. Thank you for covering the cost of having the necropsies performed. They needed to be done if any of this is to be resolved to the satisfaction of all involved parties.

I have no problem paying for this to be done in order to bring this entire nightmare to an end. I can Paypal the money to Bob if necessary. I am very upset that any of these snakes are having issues. I am even more upset that comments are being made by certain people on this thread insisting that I am deliberately trying to jerk people around and endanger the health of their snake collections by selling them sick animals. I want this to all be correct for everybody involved.
Lets please stop all the slander and just get to the bottom of this. Thanks.

 

[Vinman]

I have no problem paying for this to be done in order to bring this entire nightmare to an end. I can Paypal the money to Bob if necessary. I am very upset that any of these snakes are having issues. I am even more upset that comments are being made by certain people on this thread insisting that I am deliberately trying to jerk people around and endanger the health of their snake collections by selling them sick animals. I want this to all be correct for everybody involved.
Lets please stop all the slander and just get to the bottom of this. Thanks.

Like I said .Doc walker stands behind what he sells.