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Inquiry Genefreak339 / Michael Harshbarger

mxracer4life said:
My main point was that it should be a rule to have that checked upon arrival. An individual having that kind of guarantee is different than a breeder or wholesaler.
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I guess I'm lost. I am a breeder. What makes me an individual and not a breeder? Anyone selling should have terms and guarantees.

Again, I guess I'm different than most, but I feel it would be the right thing to do.
 
Doesnt anyone find it funny that Michael is worried about sending money out for a snake that might not be in possesion of the person hes sending the money to? Didnt he himself do this to others? Ok for the goose, not the gander???

BTW..I have purchased from a large breeder that guarentees sex for life..Probobly because they are smart enough to know the snake is not just going to change sex one day. I am a small breeder and also guarentee sex...What do you have if you dont have your word?
 
dchristensen said:
No. I have it in my possession as I told him repeatedly.
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Dale please explain this:

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You say you sent it to a friend and now its back in your possession but you were not and still are not willing to send me a tracking number showing this.

You did tell me last night that "you have control" of the snake but the very next message when I ask about you shipping it off to someone else you begin to ignore my texts again???? If you really did send it to a friend and you now have possession of it the "friend" must have sent it back correct? This would mean there must be some sort of tracking number for the 2 shipments. You say you don't have 5 seconds to text me back but you have time to get on here and write a post???

All I am asking is for you to prove to me you have the same snake I sent you back in your possession. I will refund your money and send you $ for you to ship it back to me as soon as you do this.
 
Kristi23 said:
I guess I'm not most breeders then. If I sell something that is guaranteed to be female, I would refund even if it was a year later as long as I could see that it was the same animal. It would be my mistake to pay for.
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This is all I am asking also. For Dale, the person I sold it to, to show me he has that same snake in his possession now. He told me that he sent it to a friend and that the pictures of the snake he posted showing its a male were taken by that "friend" which is more proof that he sent it off to someone else. What if they pulled what Dale likes to call a "bait and switch"??? How can I know for sure its the same snake if Dale sent to somewhere else?
 
There is a simple solution.

Get Dale to send you a photo of the snake. Take the photo that you had of the snake from your ad (assuming you still have it) and compare the markings.

That is standard operating procedure when identifying snakes. Especially Hets...
 
I will send him a text asking him to post a picture of the snake that he has back in his possession.

Dale, if you miss my text message I am also asking you on here... Can you please post a pic of the snake you have back in your possession using the same camera you used to take the picture of it in post #411
 
If he doesn't send the snake back, you know where the BOI is, and he knows that. Despite the way most of us feel about you, if you refund the money and he doesn't send the proper snake (as long as you have proof and he can't produce a tracking number showing a delivery to you), do you really think anyone would believe him?

His rep is on the line here too.

Personally, I'd like to see him send the snake back before he gets a refund. Yeah, you're a proven liar ten times over but that's the way it's usually done. Besides, he didn't have a problem with sending you money even with dozens of pages of legitimate warnings about you that have been here a long time, so why start getting antsy now? If you've truly turned over your new leaf, you'll man up and refund once you receive it. If not, then it's another nail in your coffin.

Either way, somebody please do something to get things rolling.

Now.. Where's my virtual high five?
 
Shadera said:
If he doesn't send the snake back, you know where the BOI is, and he knows that. Despite the way most of us feel about you, if you refund the money and he doesn't send the proper snake (as long as you have proof and he can't produce a tracking number showing a delivery to you), do you really think anyone would believe him?

His rep is on the line here too.

Personally, I'd like to see him send the snake back before he gets a refund. Yeah, you're a proven liar ten times over but that's the way it's usually done. Besides, he didn't have a problem with sending you money even with dozens of pages of legitimate warnings about you that have been here a long time, so why start getting antsy now? If you've truly turned over your new leaf, you'll man up and refund once you receive it. If not, then it's another nail in your coffin.

Either way, somebody please do something to get things rolling.

Now.. Where's my virtual high five?
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:iagree:

:rofl: :hurray: I don't know how to do a virtual high five...:eek:
 
I hate to play devil's advocate here, but I'm not sure I would feel comfortable taking an animal back when it had been shipped to someone else and been in that someone's possession for a length of time rather than my customer's possession. The other thing that I don't understand is why the snake in question was shipped from the customer to this other person. To determine the sex of the animal? You mean to tell me that you spend hundreds of dollars on a snake, for breeding purposes no less yet you have no idea how to sex it? I may be in the minority here, and maybe it's "old school" of me, but I don't think anyone should be breeding snakes when they have no idea how to properly determine the gender of a snake. That goes for Genefreak as well: if you cannot properly sex snakes you have no business breeding or selling them.
 
Genefreak339 said:
I will send him a text asking him to post a picture of the snake that he has back in his possession.

Dale, if you miss my text message I am also asking you on here... Can you please post a pic of the snake you have back in your possession using the same camera you used to take the picture of it in post #411
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Here he is with my business card on the right side of the scale as you asked for in your text.

You can clearly see the markings on the back of the neck are the same as the original posted pics.
 

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KelliH said:
I hate to play devil's advocate here, but I'm not sure I would feel comfortable taking an animal back when it had been shipped to someone else and been in that someone's possession for a length of time rather than my customer's possession. The other thing that I don't understand is why the snake in question was shipped from the customer to this other person. To determine the sex of the animal? You mean to tell me that you spend hundreds of dollars on a snake, for breeding purposes no less yet you have no idea how to sex it? I may be in the minority here, and maybe it's "old school" of me, but I don't think anyone should be breeding snakes when they have no idea how to properly determine the gender of a snake. That goes for Genefreak as well: if you cannot properly sex snakes you have no business breeding or selling them.
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It's not "Old School" Kelli, (at least not IMO) it's common sense.

Your statement is part of the reason that (to me) they are both appearing shady. Also the fact that the buyer "shipped" it to someone else and is now attempting to get the seller to pay for those charges also.:shrug01:
 
Genefreak339 said:
ONCE AGAIN! If Dale proves to me that the snake has been shipped back to him and is in his current possession I will refund his money prior to him sending me the snake.

So once again Dale can I get some proof that the snake is currently in your possession like you told me? This way I can get you your refund and you can ship the snake back Monday?
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I have given proof. Seriously now, I did what you asked and place my business card on the right side of the scale in the picture.

This is ridiculous, you can do the right thing and pay me the money back and I will ship on Monday. Otherwise, we can just allow my credit card to deal with the situation.
 
dchristensen said:
I have given proof. Seriously now, I did what you asked and place my business card on the right side of the scale in the picture.

This is ridiculous, you can do the right thing and pay me the money back and I will ship on Monday. Otherwise, we can just allow my credit card to deal with the situation.
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I also asked you at least 10 times to explain the whole shipping it to another person situation. Can you do this? Because you have done nothing but ignored that question!!

Ill refund you on Sunday before you ship the snake but until then you can clear up that question. :thumbsup:
 
Genefreak339 said:
I also asked you at least 10 times to explain the whole shipping it to another person situation. Can you do this? Because you have done nothing but ignored that question!!

Ill refund you on Sunday before you ship the snake but until then you can clear up that question. :thumbsup:
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This sounds very fair to me. I'm wondering why the issue is being ignored myself.
 
Bobby Douglass said:
This sounds very fair to me. I'm wondering why the issue is being ignored myself.
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Agreed. The buyer did take a while to finally answer the questions even when a refund was offered. But I myself would have determined the sex of the snake as soon as it came out of the box, at least by 2 methods. Palpation, popping (if sensible), and probing.
 
Dbz4246 said:
Agreed. The buyer did take a while to finally answer the questions even when a refund was offered. But I myself would have determined the sex of the snake as soon as it came out of the box, at least by 2 methods. Palpation, popping (if sensible), and probing.
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Actually, I don't think the buyer has either confirmed or denied that he sent the snake to someone else yet. It seems like a simple question to answer to me.:shrug01:
 
Bobby Douglass said:
Actually, I don't think the buyer has either confirmed or denied that he sent the snake to someone else yet. It seems like a simple question to answer to me.:shrug01:
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I agree. Furthermore, we have no proof that the picture of the snake being popped is the one that was sent to Dale. (Not that it makes a difference in terms of the refund; if the guy's not happy with the snake for some reason, then it should be returned and the money refunded.) I also cannot help but wonder if Dale sold/traded the snake to someone else and that person discovered it's a male. Either way, Michael should not have to pay for the snake being shipped to someone else and back. That is solely Dale's decision and therefore, his cost.

Quite frankly, I feel we're dealing with two shady people here, and I can easily see both sides of the situation. Michael has, at minimum, misrepresented snakes in the past, and Dale is definitely not being forthcoming about what he's done with the snake. Though, at this point, I'd be more willing to believe Dale wouldn't return the snake if refunded (possibly because he'd want Michael to pay for his shipping the snake around, if that indeed did happen). If Michael didn't refund the snake after it was returned to him, that would be it for him on this site, period. Dale, on the other hand, would not lose much of anything, honestly, if he didn't send the snake back.

One more thing: People who have been breeding snakes for years can still make sexing mistakes. It happens. So we should not be all over Michael for getting the sex wrong.
 
R. Eventide said:
If Michael didn't refund the snake after it was returned to him, that would be it for him on this site, period. Dale, on the other hand, would not lose much of anything, honestly, if he didn't send the snake back.
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This is exactly what I was trying to say and is why I was hesitant to refund the $ before getting the snake back.

Also as you can all see... He has been and still is ignoring my question about the snake being shipped to another person.

I guess probing snakes will be in my future because I popped that snake a few times while in my possession. Ive sold many other snakes and never missed sexed one. I know the larger snakes are harder to invert the hemipenes but I have not had a problem before.
 
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