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THIS IS A QUESTION THAT HAS NEVER BEEN ASKED

and for the OP...since you stated that this thread had nothing to do with your Vanilla since she isn't on antibiotics...

you forgot to mention she WAS on antibiotics less then a month ago? (or at least you where talking about her being on antibiotics less then a month ago, you never mentioned when her last dose was given)

How is her injury doing? Is it still looking more irritated and not healing?

Do you plan to breed her before she is 100% recovered?

(these are the reasons most shady people ask questions like the ones asked here today, and why I don't feel curiosity or info for future breeders is why this thread was started....please prove me wrong by not breeding your injured snake this season)
 
Lucille said:
Nick, you are totally right that answers should be reviewed to make sure that the critter's well-being comes first and that includes getting the info to those who ask the questions. I think my vet response could have been worded better. I did think a new vet is needed, but your point that we should connect the dots better is well taken, I leave dots out from time to time.
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Lucille, none of us are perfect. I have been snippy at times, also. One thing that has always irritated me is having "someone" else try and tell me how I should word my responses, or what attitude I should have.:rolleyes:

Some days, I'll have a perfect response, and some days, some one will rub me the wrong way. It goes with the territory when posting on a forum. Of course, when I am talking to a child (my responses will tend to always be nice if the child is actually a child..but most times if it's an adult pressing my buttons, I just type what's on my mind, review for language...and as long as it gets my point across, I wouldn't waste a minute on the "shouldas, wouldas, and couldas.: :shrug01:

The snake incident in question (death, R.I.) was one that perhaps could have been prevented if the owner had done half the "research" that he claims. Since he'd stated that he had the snake for a while, it's almost a certainty that it didn't arrive sick.
 
deborahbroadus said:
"someone" else try and tell me how I should word my responses.
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I think most of your responses are right on.

My answer was more geared toward how I think I could have laid out better why I though he should have found another vet
after he had issues with his first. That might get him to go out and find another vet which I think he needs to do. And I do think that providing help via info can help people's critters.
 
To the OP: What were the symptoms of the RI when you first noticed it? If she died of just the RI and not further complications, I would think you noticed the later-stage symptoms instead of the initial ones.

As for antibiotics and gravid females.... Snakes are different than mammals. Mammals are continually exchanging blood and other fluids with babies until they're born, which would mean antibiotics could easily affect the baby. But if a female ball python is gravid--especially late-term--the yolks are done forming and the shells are calcifying around them. Can the antibiotics actually affect the eggs? I can see how the stress the female is under could adversely affect the eggs, but what about medications? Do the antibiotics kill off good bacteria that is essential in egg formation? Would someone with a better knowledge of snake/reptile reproduction help me out here?
 
wow - this thread kind of blew up - I'll be back when I have time to read it...
 
WHY MY SCREEN NAME IS "HUSSLER"

IF IT REALLY BOTHERS YOU

SORRY ABOUT THE SPELL CHECK THING I HAVE BEEN REPLYING IN RAGE WITH NO REGARD TO SPELLING. CALL IT LAZYNESS I DONT CARE

AND MY NAME IS COLLIN HUSSEY "HUSSLER" IS A NAME I PICKED UP IN THE MILITARY

NOT BECAUSE I HUSTLE MONEY OR ANYTHING AT THAT.

JUST A SIMPLE NAME THAT SOUNDS BETTER THAN HUSSEY
 
hussler1984 said:
IF IT REALLY BOTHERS YOU

SORRY ABOUT THE SPELL CHECK THING I HAVE BEEN REPLYING IN RAGE WITH NO REGARD TO SPELLING. CALL IT LAZYNESS I DONT CARE

AND MY NAME IS COLLIN HUSSEY "HUSSLER" IS A NAME I PICKED UP IN THE MILITARY

NOT BECAUSE I HUSTLE MONEY OR ANYTHING AT THAT.

JUST A SIMPLE NAME THAT SOUNDS BETTER THAN HUSSEY
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Relax...all of this has been covered, people are calmer now, let's not start craziness again...lets get back on topic
 
OK SORRY I JUST WOKE UP FROM A NAP

THE THREAD HAD 2 PAGES WHEN I CRASHED THEN 7 WHEN I WOKE.

I DONT HAVE ANY HARD FEELINGS ABOUT ANYONE WHO RESPONDED TO THIS THREAD FYI

:)
 
THE VANILLA IS DOING A BIT BETTER ITS STILL A DAILY BATTLE. AND I DONT PLAN ON BREEDING HER UNTILL SHE IS BETTER. SHES WAY TO WEAK TO BE STICKING MY HORNY MALES IN THERE WITH HER AND WEARING HER OUT EVEN MORE THAN SHE ALREADY IS. NOT TO MENTION THE FACT THAT MY COLLECTION IS VERY SMALL AND ONLY EXISTS OF ON A FEW MALES, I CANT IMAGINE HAVING TO DEAL WITH MORE THAN ONE SICK SNAKE
 
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I am under the impression that a respiratory infection was viral in nature and that antibiotics were prescribed as a precaution in case it was actually bacterial in nature. Wouldn't the vet run a culture to make sure what they were dealing with for the best course of action? I have never dealt with an RI so, I don't know for sure.

I have had an experience with my vet once on a bacterial infection where a culture was taken and I had to pay about $100 more. I was given antibiotics to deliver orally to start treatment and was notified days later that the results were back, and the prescribed medication was the right choice to treat. My vet did ask me if the snake had eggs or was breeding, so it must have some sort of negative effect on the process.

If your snake is well prepared before entering the breeding season you should be okay but things can happen. Treating your female and protecting your collection really should be the only priority you have. There's always next year!
 
If Hussler wanted to ask questions without addressing any background info, the simple approach is to post the questions without including the background info. He didn't do that. He posted information that raised questions, and added a comment or two that raised more.
Are we supposed to know when he is posting inaccurate information? For example - she contracted the resp infection out of nowhere a few days before laying her eggs, but died before laying....that seems pretty clear that the time from observing the problem to death was a couple of days. Then it was changed to the animal received 2 weeks of antibiotics - which, btw - is not unusual, considering that many vets prescribe Batril to be administered every other day. Since the initial post stated that he did not trust his vet, it could have gone either way whether he treated the animal or didn't. I (apparently mistakenly) read it as he did not...because he doubted his vet.

The simple answer to the questions:
Can you give antibiotics to a gravid snake - yes...and you should, if they are needed. The added part, about whether it will affect the babies is not as clear cut; and I had specific reasons for not responding to it. I have a few people ask these questions over the years; and the majority of them (at least the ones that posted about their decisions) - regardless of what they were told - have decided to wait until deposition. No antibiotics, no temp increase (because that WILL endanger the babies)....too often, the female dies unnecessarily.
In this case, I don't know what to believe, since Hussler has posted two different stories. If he did, in fact, treat with Baytril without response, there are a few different explanations. He waited too long, Baytril was not the appropriate drug, there was more going on than the RI (which may, or may not, bounce back to item 1 - he waited too long), or the antibiotics played a role in the death. There are a couple of other things I can think of, but there's not a lot of reason to spend the time to sort it out under the circumstances.

Can one breed a snake that is on antibiotics? As has been said repeatedly...common sense should dictate that it is a bad idea.

I think I saw a comment that a new vet was in order - not sure why :shrug01: Because the snake died? Because Hussler doesn't trust him?
 
The snake is dead.
This thread is dead.
My questions were eventually answered.
I wish it would have gone differently.


All of the negative comments have completly confused me lol

ANY WAY THANKS TO THOSE WHO HELPED

P.s. im so happy at my self for keeping my cool

GOOD JOB COLLIN :thumbsup:
 
hhmoore said:
I think I saw a comment that a new vet was in order - not sure why :shrug01: Because the snake died? Because Hussler doesn't trust him?
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I made the comment about getting a new vet after Hussler wrote that he did not trust the old one. No reason was given for the mistrust, but if there were issues with the relationship between vet and client, I do think that a new vet was in order rather than having no vet at all.
 
Hmmm - I had typed up another response, but I don't see it here. Probably never submitted it because I got distracted by something. I'll see if I can backspace through enough windows in one of these tabs to find it, lol.

Anyway, I understand your logic, Lucille; and agree that the OP should find a vet with whom he is comfortable. His distrust of his current (or past, since it was a year ago) vet's judgement may not have a solid basis, but it still makes for a shaky relationship.
 
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