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Bad Guy Paul Moyer of Monster Reptiles in PA

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Angel Rojas

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On Saturday June 9th at the PA Hamburg show, my brother traded his 09 pair of super dwarf het albino for Paul's 2004 female het albino tiger retic. My brother get the snake home, and notices the snake is drinking copious amounts of water, Paul was notified of this. My brother comes home from work Monday June 11th and goes to check on his snakes, and finds the tiger dead in her cage.....A 16 foot, 90lb. snake is dead in 2 days flat. Paul was notified and tried to blame my brother for the death of the snake. Paul has NOT done ANYTHING to make right on this......When this snake was picked up, it was in a small tote with a big "Hot Shot" pest strip, and the snake was laying directly on it. Here's what has been said about these pest strips:



Caution when using"Hot Shot No-Pest Strips."

Growers should use caution when dealing with NPS because of its toxicity to humans and animals. You shouldn't use "No-Pest Strips" and other products containing Dichlorvos on flowering plants because of its chance of leaving residual amounts of the active ingredient on your plants. Dichlorvos (The active chemical in No-Pest Strips) is considered a carcinogen and if used with your plants, it should only be used in the vegetation cycle and plants rinsed with water before flowering so you dont have a chance of leaving chemical residue on your harvest if possible. The active chemical (Dichlorvos) can be rinsed off and breaks-down in water but is also a dangerous insecticide and should NOT be used in living areas where people have a chance to inhale the chemical. (People growing in their homes with children, pets etc.)

There needs to be a sticky thread about this because I seem to see plenty of people on the internet using these things improperly.

Info about Dichlorvos:

http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/​tfacts88.html

http://​envirocancer.cornell.edu/​Fact...dichlorvos.cfm

http://safe2use.com/​poisons-pesticid...dichlorvos.h​tm

*****This is NOT a thread to discuss the effects of Dichlorvos. It is simply a thread to give caution to those using NPS.

Im not telling you NOT to use them... I have used them myself and still do. They are a very fast, easy, and efficient solution to get rid of spidermites. I am asking you to be cautious because it is a dangerous chemical like most chemical pesticides. The only reason I am posting this is because I have been reading how people are using these things lately. (using them in closet grows where people sleep etc.) I actually noticed this a couple years ago, but even more now.

When used, they shouldn't be used in rooms where people and animals will be, and make sure too use no and/or low ventilation for no more than 7 days... Then plants rinsed off with water to break down the active chemical if there is any possiblity of leaving a residue. The NPS makes your grow room a little gaschamber for the mites and will kill them dead.
 
*****This is NOT a thread to discuss the effects of Dichlorvos. It is simply a thread to give caution to those using NPS.

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If this is a thread about NPS, there are discussion forums better suited. If this is a thread saying that you are alleging the NPS strip killed the snake, more info is needed imho. How long was the snake in the tote? Did you consult a vet to see if that length of time was enough to be fatal? Has there been a necropsy?
 
I don't see it to be appropriate for Angel to be posting about another person's experience. Have Jesus make is own member account and post his own BOI thread othberwise this is just hear say.

just my opinion
 
If this is a thread about NPS, there are discussion forums better suited. If this is a thread saying that you are alleging the NPS strip killed the snake, more info is needed imho. How long was the snake in the tote? Did you consult a vet to see if that length of time was enough to be fatal? Has there been a necropsy?

The snake was in DIRECT contact with the strip for at least 8 hrs. And if you watch the video I just posted, you will see that a necropsy is almost impossible to get done
 
I don't see it to be appropriate for Angel to be posting about another person's experience. Have Jesus make is own member account and post his own BOI thread othberwise this is just hear say.

just my opinion

It's not heresay, as I too have money vested in this. The snakes that my brother traded for this dead snake were also mine.
 
I don't see it to be appropriate for Angel to be posting about another person's experience. Have Jesus make is own member account and post his own BOI thread othberwise this is just hear say.

just my opinion

And I like how you're from the EXACT same place that Paul lives...:rofl:
I can have friends come a back me up to you know
 
The snake was in DIRECT contact with the strip for at least 8 hrs. And if you watch the video I just posted, you will see that a necropsy is almost impossible to get done

Have you consulted a vet? All we have so far is your opinion that the strip, and not a husbandry issue, killed your snake. Post some creditable info.
 
You must not be able to read cus Monster Reptiles location says. Elizabethtown and mine says Elizabethville. Different town, different county even. Know what you say before you post otherwise you just make yourself look like a jackass.
 
Your references to Dichlorvos are kind of hard to take seriously when you pull them from a marijuana growing site.
 
Have you consulted a vet? All we have so far is your opinion that the strip, and not a husbandry issue, killed your snake. Post some creditable info.

That snake was kept in the SAME cage and at the SAME temps as the female that was traded to Paul.......Ask Paul if after 2 days, the snakes that were traded to him are dead....I bet my life they're not.....That tiger was kept in the SAME room, the SAME temps, the SAME humidity, the SAME ENVIORMENT as ALL of my brother's other snakes.....You don't see any of them dead, do you.....A vet is not needed when common sense can tell you that it's NOT a husbandry issue...:rolleyes:
 
Your references to Dichlorvos are kind of hard to take seriously when you pull them from a marijuana growing site.

So does it make it less valid....I can get the same info for you directly from another site of your choice
 
And yes it is all hear say until Jesus post. The trade was done by him and the animal was in his care not yours. As far as a necropsy being almost impossible, there are plenty of people on this forum who have gotten a necropsy done.
 
That snake was kept in the SAME cage and at the SAME temps as the female that was traded to Paul.......Ask Paul if after 2 days, the snakes that were traded to him are dead....I bet my life they're not.....That tiger was kept in the SAME room, the SAME temps, the SAME humidity, the SAME ENVIORMENT as ALL of my brother's other snakes.....You don't see any of them dead, do you.....A vet is not needed when common sense can tell you that it's NOT a husbandry issue...:rolleyes:


I am not sure that your information here is creditable. Your other threads here show you to be a bit of a drama llama. I am sorry your snake is dead, and you should be able to come here and post your experiences just as we all can, despite your previous history. If you keeping on posting drama llama stuff and roll your eyes, people will simply dismiss you as a nightmare customer.

If you want to be taken seriously, post some serious evidence. Post emails from your seller, what exactly was said when you notified him of the death?
 
I'm only going to say this once i never once had a prolbem with hot shot pest strips i been useing them for over 3 years now this trad was done with juses not angel so any thing from angel is going off what he was told by his brother and i did say that ill give him his snakes back if a vet calls me and tills me it was on my end but juses did not till
Me that hey couldnt get this done untill after the threat to f**** me up and other name calling and after that comment on my fan page I wasn't willing to work with him and here's the txt we send each other
 
heres the txt i had to edit it some due to the profanitly all i did is censored the profanitly heres the txt and this trad was done with jesus blackman rojas if you read this you will see that he did not say that he couldnt get a necropsy done jesus blackman rojas>She's not eating.....all she's doing is drinking
paul moyer>What u trying to feed her
jesus blackman rojas>A rabbit
paul moyer>Ok only thing I can think of is wait a week then try to feed her and I'll look in my book when I get home
jesus blackman rojas>Ok....cause she's been drinking since i brought her here
paul moyer>May 4th she eat 2 5-7lb,rabbits may 25th she eat one 5-7lb rabbit,didn't eat June 1st due to being in shad and I didn't try to feed her after shad because it was to close to the show and when the retics are in shad i put somthing in the tank for them to soak in so
jesus blackman rojas>This is the 7th bowl of water she's drank
paul moyer>d***she never drank that much for me I normally have to fill it because she spills it over her cage
jesus blackman rojas>She drinks it all and as soon as i fill it, she drinks it all again
paul moyer>D*** she never drink like that for me its like she didn't have water and I'm about to past out I been out fishing all day so if u txt me and u don't hear back that's y
I'll text you tomorrow then
jesus blackman rojas>What the f*** yo.....this snake is dead
paul moyer>What that snake was doing find when I give her to you I never once had a problem with her
jesus blackman rojas>Are you kidding.....it had to have been that damn pest strip that i told you NOT to put in with her.....no wonder she was drinking all that damn water, she was trying to flush those **** toxins out of her system
paul moyer>I never had a Problem with the pest strip I use them on snakes I got in from people be4 and never once had a problem with them and I know 3 other people that use them and they don't have problems with them
jesus blackman rojas>Dude, I've been keeping snakes for almost 20 years....I've never had a snake just drop dead within 2 days of owning it...All my snakes are kept at the same temps and doing just fine
paul moyer>I never had a snake drop dead that fast and I only ever had one snake that I ever sale/trad that die and that was like 2-3 months after they got it
jesus blackman rojas>Well this is 2 days......no healthy snake just drops dead out of nowhere
paul moyer>She was heathy I never had a Heath problem with here and it wasn't the pest strips
jesus blackman rojas>Paul, what are you going to do to make this right.....Im about to post the video I just made on the pa herps fb page....
paul moyer>I'm going to ask around to see if anyone had any problems with you I'm sorry but something feels funny about this because I never had a problem with her or had a problem with a snake die in 2 days I'll let you know tonight
What I'm going to do
jesus blackman rojas>So are you saying that i would kill the snake just to make you look bad
paul moyer>No im not saying that you don't seem like that type of guy but something don't seem right did you put anything in her cage to kill mites or was there anything that she could have coming contact with
jesus blackman rojas>Not at all...that snake is kept in cage right above my amel tiger, right under my het amel suntiger, and right next to my lavender motley tiger....you do the math
paul moyer>What about when she was out side was there anything put down on the grass that you know of
jesus blackman rojas>Outside where
paul moyer Where ever that was in the pic of her outside in the grass that you put on Facebook
jesus blackman rojas>Highly doubt that....because you be finding dead animals all over that place
paul moyer>All I can say is take her body to a vet and see if they can till you what kill her and if they can find out have them call me then if they till me it's something on my end I'll give you the 2 superdwarfs back
And there may have been something in the grass that the native animals are use too
jesus blackman rojas>So are you saying i killed the snake
paul moyer>I had that snake for over 3 years and never once had a prolbem with her I give her to you and 2 days later shes dead that sound fishy to me I'm sorry but I'll need to hear from a vet
jesus blackman rojas>How the f*** is that fishy....why would i kill it you f****** moron.
paul moyer>Ok dud I was at list willing to work with you but after what you say on my fan page I'm done im not doing anything for you good by don't txt/call/email me any more
jesus blackman rojas>*** you you scamming piece of s***...... You can't delete whats on the Boi and ill have my brother post it right now....with the video
Don't worry, I'll send you the link once he's done, so you can sling your lies over there
You'll never sell another animal again.....this i promise
jesus blackman rojas>Im giving you one more chance to make this right before my brother post these videos on the boi and rip your a** to shred
paul moyer>Ok dud I try working with you I had to ask some other breeders what would they do and they all told me to make you get a Autopsy done and they all use the pest strips too with no problems and I was going to work with you but you let your hot head mast things up for you so as of now I'm not doing anything
jesus blackman rojas>Really lol....who did you talk to....i hope you have some good s*** to deny what my brother is about to post on the boi on fauna. I swear to you, you'll never ever sell another animal again
 
I was at that show and it was extremely hot. Sounds like the snake was dehydrated. I am sure it is possible but will be denied that the long trip home required a stop to eat and possibly the poor animal was left in the car to bake. The bottom line is the snake was alive when you took the animal. I sold a person a ball python last summer at the same show and the customer tried to say he never left the building and the snake died. I had over 200 ball python morphs on my table and they were all fine. When I mentioned about the hot car baking the snake he never said another word to me. I am not saying that this is for sure what happened in this case but it sure does seem possible and with out the necropsy it is gonna be impossible to prove otherwise.
 
The seller seems to be being reasonable to me, he's saying he'll give you your snake back if you find out the snake died due to his fault. I think that's reasonable personally.

And I don't think the seller was trying to offend you either, he was simply asking questions.
 
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