Bad Guy D&M REPTILE RESCUE

[parrotlady]

I guess it could be a legal issue. Who makes the decision about vet care versus food? We need to remain focused on the main issue, the quality of care the animal receives while at the rescue.

 

[C.Gillis]

This place is bad and know one wants to stop them this has been going on for years!

How do you know this has been going on for years? Can you back that up? If this has been horrible for a long time, then this guy shouldn't have a rescue at all. Why has no one brought this up publicly before? There is only one review on Google from a year ago, it says everything the op says but there is only one. How can you say no one wants to stop them if the community wasn't made aware? I don't see anyone protesting them at the Tucson reptile show. I did see people loudly protesting against Global and they're shut down now, (too bad it was PETA that shed the light publicly there). People in the community do care, we just can't do anything if we don't know what's going on.

 

[Focal]

The web page states this about surrenders
"If you wish to turn custody of your reptile over to D & M's Reptile Rescue and Rehabilitation please contact us and complete the form below. Reptiles will not be accepted unless a release form is turned in with the reptile. We also require a $100.00 surrender fee to cover veterinary and food expenses."

So if the reptile requires vet care and is surrendered with the $100 and the money isn't spent on that reptile, what is that called?

In his defense, which I don't know why I am doing this, it says "veterinary and food expenses." I do much of my own veterinary care at home along with many other breeders and reptile owners. There are many non-licensed vets that I know that know far more about reptiles than the standard dog/cat vets in my area. I am not saying D&M is one of these people, but I wouldn't be so quick to call him a theif because this money didn't go directly to a license vet. By definition, you do not need to be a vet to administer veterinary care. Now if he says he is spending it at a veterinary clinic and isn't, than I understand.

I am not justifying any of these actions or this individual, so please take it as that. Some people do not equate "veterinary care" to a licensed vet.

 

[Focal]

Housing sulcatas outdoors in the winter with no heat source is just cruel in it's self. These animals do not hibernate and should never have their temps drop below 60F and it snowed yesterday in Tucson, not to mention that week we had last month of below freezing nights.

and is't it stealing to take $100 for vet bills and then not spend it on vet bills?

Sorry, I quoted the wrong quote above.

 

[dinosaurdammit]

How do you know this has been going on for years? Can you back that up? If this has been horrible for a long time, then this guy shouldn't have a rescue at all. Why has no one brought this up publicly before? There is only one review on Google from a year ago, it says everything the op says but there is only one. How can you say no one wants to stop them if the community wasn't made aware? I don't see anyone protesting them at the Tucson reptile show. I did see people loudly protesting against Global and they're shut down now, (too bad it was PETA that shed the light publicly there). People in the community do care, we just can't do anything if we don't know what's going on.

I dont understand why it took me coming forward for anything to get done. Im not popular in the community im not well known yet others are and have more voice than i do. I had to yell to get this noticed but if it means they get propper care then im fine with it. I just dont get why I had to rattle SO HARD to get any attention, but once it got going it ran, it hit fourms all over and usark, arc, and other places. If you see a place in bad condition or know of a place that has a bad rap REPORT IT. Dont sit on your butt and do nothing.

 

[dinosaurdammit]

I dont understand why it took me coming forward for anything to get done. Im not popular in the community im not well known yet others are and have more voice than i do. I had to yell to get this noticed but if it means they get propper care then im fine with it. I just dont get why I had to rattle SO HARD to get any attention, but once it got going it ran, it hit fourms all over and usark, arc, and other places. If you see a place in bad condition or know of a place that has a bad rap REPORT IT. Dont sit on your butt and do nothing.

I should mention this isnt directed at anyone, just everyone. Also to the vet care, it states he takes them to orange grove and to make donations to orange grove. He states all animals go there, yet they dont see him????

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Donations are greatly appreciated if you wish to make a donation please make check or money order payable to D & M's Reptile Rescue & Rehabilitation and drop off to any Compass Bank or mail to:

Compass Bank; 7000 N. Oracle Rd., Tucson, Arizona 85704



Or send donations to our vet to help with veterinary care to :

Orange Grove Animal Hospital - 3091 W Orange Grove Rd, Tucson , AZ 85741

(Please reference D & M's Reptile Rescue on check or money order)



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D & M's Reptile Rescue and Rehabilitation

David McKnight and Melanie Shroyer

Phone (520) 616-0166 Cell (520) 977-2766

Email - [email protected]

At D&M's Reptile Rescue we are really busy caring for our rescued animals. We don't always get a chance to check our emails so if your need to contact us is urgent please call us.

 

[Focal]

Also to the vet care, it states he takes them to orange grove and to make donations to orange grove. He states all animals go there, yet they dont see him????

I understand, but it also looks like the person has the option to give the funds directly to the vet rather than D&M. I would think they aren't getting many donations, the vet nor D&M. I can't imagine many individuals that would want to surrender an animal that needs vet care, will pay the $100 fee, but won't see the vet themselves ... unless the vet service exceeds $100. Please don't think I am picking on you, but people that dispose of injured/sick animals to rescues, aren't the type I'd imagine to give money for the care of the animal. I just don't think this guy is making a killing nor is the vet receiving many donations, because if they did, then I'm sure there would be credit to use and Orange Grove would be able to verify this.

 

[dinosaurdammit]

I understand, but it also looks like the person has the option to give the funds directly to the vet rather than D&M. I would think they aren't getting many donations, the vet nor D&M. I can't imagine many individuals that would want to surrender an animal that needs vet care, will pay the $100 fee, but won't see the vet themselves ... unless the vet service exceeds $100. Please don't think I am picking on you, but people that dispose of injured/sick animals to rescues, aren't the type I'd imagine to give money for the care of the animal. I just don't think this guy is making a killing nor is the vet receiving many donations, because if they did, then I'm sure there would be credit to use and Orange Grove would be able to verify this.

the hundred dollar fee is to go to vet care. I called the vet, I know them, they havnt seen him in possibly years. So I dont buy the whole "vet care" fee, thats my issue. Its like 45 to see the vet and the what ever on top, they NEVER see him, meaning he never brings in animals, even though he is suppose to when he gets one. He said he recently got no jaw iggy, but has it been to a vet? No, people know about it apparently and its been around for a while.

 

[parrotlady]

It is funny that you keep claiming to talk to the vet regarding care. I placed a call, and they have not spoke directly to you. They are bound just like doctors to client confidentiality, Legal and ethically. So unless a employee is leaking information, and willing to come forward, you cannot list 3rd party information here. Please read the rules for posting.

 

[Focal]

How many $100 fees has he received?

 

[Focal]

the hundred dollar fee is to go to vet care. I called the vet, I know them, they havnt seen him in possibly years. So I dont buy the whole "vet care" fee, thats my issue. Its like 45 to see the vet and the what ever on top, they NEVER see him, meaning he never brings in animals, even though he is suppose to when he gets one. He said he recently got no jaw iggy, but has it been to a vet? No, people know about it apparently and its been around for a while.

Also, that quote about the $100 appears to have not been typed by their hand and could be an oversight explained below:

"David and Melanie have dedicated the last seven years of their lives to herpetological rescue. With no funding they spend all of their hard earned money and all of their spare time caring for these unwanted animals. They truly have a passion for these animals and hearts of gold. I have donated my services to them and made them this website in hopes to reach the hearts of others like themselves who could be generous enough to help these kind people in their mission to save lives. If you could find it in your hearts to make a donation, adopt a herp or donate something else please see our how to help page. They would also love some volunteers if anyone's brave enough!!"

The person who stated this quote appears to be Perri Miracolo.
http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/results.jsp?domain=dmreptilerescue.com

If you read their surrender form, the $95 fee goes to various caring of the animal and Veterinary costs and medicine are "in addition to the above stated fee."

http://www.dmreptilerescue.com/dm's release of custody.pdf

 

[dinosaurdammit]

It is funny that you keep claiming to talk to the vet regarding care. I placed a call, and they have not spoke directly to you. They are bound just like doctors to client confidentiality, Legal and ethically. So unless a employee is leaking information, and willing to come forward, you cannot list 3rd party information here. Please read the rules for posting.

really? because ive talked to dr. Jarchow at least twice and had the people who answer phones leave him messages and them get back to me.


@focal, every animal there apparently has been surrendered and thus one would assume they all were paid for.

 

[C.Gillis]

How many $100 fees has he received?

Probably not very many, but if things have degraded to the point we see in these pictures and he can't afford to maintain these animals health or help improve the health of other rescues due to financial difficulties or other issues, than perhaps he shouldn't be running a rescue? These aren't his pets, these are animals that were rescued and are up for adoption. Maybe he should accept some of the help being offered to re-home these animals and get them proper care. Everyone falls on hard times and it can be difficult to accept or ask for help but innocent animals shouldn't suffer because of this when there are other options available. David has still failed to reply to phone calls or emails.

 

[Focal]

Probably not very many, but if things have degraded to the point we see in these pictures and he can't afford to maintain these animals health or help improve the health of other rescues due to financial difficulties or other issues, than perhaps he shouldn't be running a rescue? These aren't his pets, these are animals that were rescued and are up for adoption. Maybe he should accept some of the help being offered to re-home these animals and get them proper care. Everyone falls on hard times and it can be difficult to accept or ask for help but innocent animals shouldn't suffer because of this when there are other options available. David has still failed to reply to phone calls or emails.

I agree 100% and don't want to sidetrack that topic any further since that should be the focus. The fee thing is small compared to the other problems. Anyone that surrenders and signs that form should be aware that vet cost will be in addition to the $100. The statement made by the site creator on the website should not make this case.

 

[dinosaurdammit]

Probably not very many, but if things have degraded to the point we see in these pictures and he can't afford to maintain these animals health or help improve the health of other rescues due to financial difficulties or other issues, than perhaps he shouldn't be running a rescue? These aren't his pets, these are animals that were rescued and are up for adoption. Maybe he should accept some of the help being offered to re-home these animals and get them proper care. Everyone falls on hard times and it can be difficult to accept or ask for help but innocent animals shouldn't suffer because of this when there are other options available. David has still failed to reply to phone calls or emails.

i dont know any adoption place that wants 700 dollars a tort and 300 a snake. That should be a true kicker right there, he has TONS of aquariums and just stuff thats reptile related but none used, i dont understand the mass horde of stuff? Why not sell it and use that to fund things? He could make a crap ton with all teh aquariums i wouldnt be surprised if he has over 100 of them of different sizes. Not to mention REALLY nice professional cages he could either use for separating animals or selling but they just sit outside gathering dust or ruining.

 

[hhmoore]

He said he recently got no jaw iggy, but has it been to a vet? No, people know about it apparently and its been around for a while.

How do you know this?

 

[C.Gillis]

She knows because I told her a customer came into the reptile store I was working at in June and told me about the iguana at D&M without a lower jaw, sorry I don't remember the persons name.

 

[Focal]

i dont know any adoption place that wants 700 dollars a tort and 300 a snake. That should be a true kicker right there, he has TONS of aquariums and just stuff thats reptile related but none used, i dont understand the mass horde of stuff? Why not sell it and use that to fund things? He could make a crap ton with all teh aquariums i wouldnt be surprised if he has over 100 of them of different sizes. Not to mention REALLY nice professional cages he could either use for separating animals or selling but they just sit outside gathering dust or ruining.

They might have been donated. There has been mention that surrender fees may not be going to the animals. If someone were to find out he was selling donated items and he was accused of not using that on the animals, I'm sure you wouldn't let that go either.

I'm starting to become concerned about your angle here. You keep revolving your assumptions around malicious intent when the only proof I've seen posted is poor standards. This doesn't appear to be a bad person yet, but misguided, and yet after the first post, only speculation about ill intentions from you. Is there more to this? Not trying to attack you, but you are attacking this persons moral integrity more than his husbandry standards, which is what this thread is about. Maybe we should stick to what is actually fact at this point.

 

[dinosaurdammit]

They might have been donated. There has been mention that surrender fees may not be going to the animals. If someone were to find out he was selling donated items and he was accused of not using that on the animals, I'm sure you wouldn't let that go either.

I'm starting to become concerned about your angle here. You keep revolving your assumptions around malicious intent when the only proof I've seen posted is poor standards. This doesn't appear to be a bad person yet, but misguided, and yet after the first post, only speculation about ill intentions from you. Is there more to this? Not trying to attack you, but you are attacking this persons moral integrity more than his husbandry standards, which is what this thread is about. Maybe we should stick to what is actually fact at this point.

as simple as I can say it:

He has poor standards for a rescue
Animals are languishing
Animals are dying
This is not ok
This is not a rescue
I dont see how this is a hard concept to grasp, this is CRUELTY and has been going on for god knows how long. I want the animals out of there, placed in vet care and taken care of, not sold off for profit while they starve out or just plain die of malnutrition or just plain bad living conditions. I have no angle, i have nothing to gain, nothing. I just want the animals given the vet care they NEED and either removed and placed with a legit rescue like phoenix herp or another proper rescue.

 

[parrotlady]

If this is as bad as you say, why didn't animal control remove the animals when they inspected earlier this week?