Bad Guy D&M REPTILE RESCUE

[TucsonRES]

I am from Tucson and there is only 1 D & M Rescue in the area, run by David McKnight and Melanie Shroyer. I have talked to the original poster, DD and I know CGillis who took the 2nd video. David has done a few radio interviews and talked about the pics and the videos, the animals and both the people taking the pics and the video. Hmmmm, but now they don't know either party and those animals aren't theirs.
Well, if those animals aren't theirs maybe they won't mind giving them up to someone who will take care of them.

 

[Dan Krull]

If you click on this link and listen, you'll hear Erika explaining her side, and then David discussing it as well. He talks about the animals, and how they are in his care. There is no doubt that the animals in question are his. I was told that Melodie might have some medical problems or disabilities. Perhaps she is not aware of the conditions outside? I don't know. But I do know you can listen to David discussing the animals in our interview, and see the pictures and video taken at his rescue at this link: http://www.herpnation.com/audio/dks-sr7-022513/

Dan Krull
Herp Nation Media

 

[TheFragginDragon]

As a reminder to everyone, unless you can name the person making the statement, it's considered anonymous, carries NO weight, and is NOT allowed in the BOI.

 

[TucsonRES]

Wow, this just got really strange....as if it weren't already. This was just posted on ssnakes.com.

Hi, there, I saw this on Tumblr, I'm from Denver, and I even went out of my way to call this rescue. Mind you, I didn't go in guns a'blazing but I did ask how their animals are being treated. I believe I was on the phone with Melanie Shroyer, who assured me these pictures are not of their animals. Now, I am no way defending her, but I feel like I should post this because that's what she told me. Basically, her gist was they don't know the original poster and had confirmed they have received calls and emails about these pictures, and people come and go to check out their animals.

I do apologize to the group for not including who posted this on another forum, thank you to the person that pointed this out to me.

This quote came from a user named Graven Idol.

 

[dinosaurdammit]

I do apologize to the group for not including who posted this on another forum, thank you to the person that pointed this out to me.

This quote came from a user named Graven Idol.

I messaged them and asked them to post here. That way it clears it up. D&M posted a video, in it he digs himself deeper and deeper:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiAvaRLhyM8

 

[dinosaurdammit]

I messaged them and asked them to post here. That way it clears it up. D&M posted a video, in it he digs himself deeper and deeper:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiAvaRLhyM8

Oh, and now that the video is up they are blocking any comment that doesnt pat them on the head and say good job. C.Gillis asked why there was all the garbage in the tort pen, the bands and plastic and its been BAWWleted.

 

[hhmoore]

This quote came from a user named Graven Idol.

Screen names from other sites do not fulfill the criteria - you may have noticed that full names are required on this site...this is the reason for that. People are responsible for their words here, and cannot hide behind anonymous monikers. If you are going to use information gained from another person; be prepared to provide that person's name...if you are unable, or unwilling, to do that - don't bother posting what they told you.

 

[dinosaurdammit]

in the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiAvaRLhyM8

it says "iguanas dont need uvb light they just got used to the weather"


WHAT

 

[Focal]

so now these animals are magically not theirs even though there is video and picture evidence AND i was never there- well i am in the weird part of life again because I swear I was there.

Well, originally, you said there was a second person with you when you went out there. Shouldn't this person be able to back up your story or substantiate any of these statements you said he made. I haven't noticed this person post, their name mentioned, or even mentioned in general since this started. Maybe I over looked it

 

[TucsonRES]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiAvaRLhyM8 the video posted on behalf of D&M

You need to be watch for yourself...

 

[Durke]

Their new video makes me sad. It just shows that they know absolutely nothing about the animals they are caring for. And the cages are still filthy, so I don't know what "clean" is according to them, but it's definitely not at the standards that the animals deserve. I mean, they can't even wipe the grime off the glass of the cages?

It'd be nice if they were more open-minded and cared enough about their animals to take advice. At this point, there is no excuse for their ignorance. Plenty of people have tried to help them, yet they just ignore the advice.

I remember what a college professor said once: If you have to ask someone why they do something, and they simply say, "Well, that's how we've always done it," then something needs to change. Just because you've been following the same procedure for a long time, it doesn't mean that it was ever the right way to do it.

 

[TucsonRES]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiAvaRLhyM8 the video posted on behalf of D&M

You need to be watch for yourself...

Sorry, my mind was working faster than my fingers.....

You need to watch this for yourself....

 

[KORBIN5895]

Well, originally, you said there was a second person with you when you went out there. Shouldn't this person be able to back up your story or substantiate any of these statements you said he made. I haven't noticed this person post, their name mentioned, or even mentioned in general since this started. Maybe I over looked it

I was wondering that also. In Charlotte's video Dave said Erika was there alone.....

 

[KORBIN5895]

I posted this on ssnakess bit feel it should be here also just so it doesn't disappear.

This whole thing is being based on emotion and exaggeration. There're many things that have been said by both sides that just need to stop.

Now since you are taking up the cause let us look at what she has insinuated with out one shred of evidence. She calls him a thief for accepting a "surrender fee" because he doesn't take them to a vet when the site says it will go toward veterinary care. Without getting into that all it would actually make him a liar at the most.

She claims that he is a "backyard breeder pet shop" without any proof that he breeds or sells the offspring. As a matter of fact there is no proof this guy even sells any of the animals. So far it looks Luke he just keeps them ( which is his constitutional right).

She also comes along and shares a "true" story about him keep a guys monitor. She questions if he has it hiding in his house 10(?) Years later.... seriously? Don't most savs ( which I believe this one was supposed to be) die in the first couple of years? Yet he has managed to keep it alive for ten even though his husbandry for everything else is pretty rough.

Now this one is my favorite. She insinuates that Dave goes into people's back yards and "rescues" their tortoises! She basically says this guy is wandering neighborhoods and stealing animals!

Every last one of them is an unbiased personal attack. I have not said anything since I first said how I feel but I think this is getting ridiculous. Sure the guy doesn't take proper care of his animals. Honestly I don't think he should be running a rescue if he can't provide proper care. Do I personally care if he is shut down or not? Nope. I may think it's sad but I just don't feel like it is the end of the world.

Personally I think you all should stop your hearts from bleeding so some blood makes it back to your brains. That way maybe you could look objectively at some of nonsense being spouted and this could be handled properly.

Oh, Josh? That response style isn't flattering to you or your intelligence. Leave the foolishness to the regular ***hats. I think you are better than that.

I "insinuated" because they lie and lie about darn near everything. He kept a guys monitor whats to make me doubt he doesnt take other animals and refuse to give them back? Its not a far jump at all. Hoarders often do take other peoples animals because they feel that they would be doing better for that animal than someone else.

The bull snake is native and apparently you have to have permits to own one. Does he own permits? Probably not.

Iguanas dont need uvb. Aquatic turtles need greens. I have to wonder korbin if you ever trulywatch videos we post that are records of the conditions or you come in here to stir the pot. Phoenix herp just called a few mins ago and they asked for the number for dan krull. D&M has lied and lied and lied and provided piss poor conditions for these animals and yet you never say that in any of your post without dragging us in the mud, you just nit pick at us rather than actually adding anything of value- yes, we are emotional but no decision is made rationally, its all emotion based and we then try to rationalize it.

That video I just posted and i will post it AGAIN D&M`s Reptile Rescue - YouTube proves he has no clue, and now we dont know how old this kid is but if he is under 15 he cant even be helping out with "volunteer" work in arizona. NONE OF THOSE ANIMALS ARE KEPT RIGHT. Heck the water turtles are over crowed to the point of drowning and have no apparent heat or good filters.

So since he lies you make stuff up to make him look bad? Good call!
Yes I have watched the video.

How is this bold statement even relevant? Could it be his grandson or another relative? Do you even know this kid or his identity? You really need to stop grasping at straws to make your case.



Well Erika since you obviously didn't read what I posted let me point it out so you don't miss it.

She also comes along and shares a "true" story about him keep a guys monitor. She questions if he has it hiding in his house 10(?) Years later.... seriously? Don't most savs ( which I believe this one was supposed to be) die in the first couple of years? Yet he has managed to keep it alive for ten even though his husbandry for everything else is pretty rough.



Every last one of them is an unbiased personal attack. I have not said anything since I first said how I feel but I think this is getting ridiculous. Sure the guy doesn't take proper care of his animals. Honestly I don't think he should be running a rescue if he can't provide proper care. Do I personally care if he is shut down or not? Nope. I may think it's sad but I just don't feel like it is the end of the world.
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I haven't personally attacked you so for you to claim I am "dragging you through the mud and "stirring the pot" is again purely emotional and greatly exaggerated. You are actually slandering this man. Everything I pointed out is straight fabrications you made up and are using against him.

Could you also clarify where it was said or a video of these turtles drowning? Or is that made up also? Because this is the first I've heard of that.

I also wonder if he would've given you that boa you wanted (so desperately that you even told the aspca you would take in your email complaint) if you would've made such a stink. Maybe when they close him down they will give it to you as a reward.

 

[TucsonRES]

The "personal attacks", semantics, snide or sarcastic comments do not belong on this thread. This isn't about anyone proving anyone right, wrong or superior. This thread is about the deplorable conditions these animals are in and trying to do something about it.

The he said/she said is irrelevant to the issues here.

The pictures that Erica took, the video that Charlotte took on Saturday (which D&M scheduled), the interviews with Dan Krull on Herp Nation and Jason from The Daily Reptile News and even the video response posted on D & M's behalf (which showed David on the video) yesterday are all the proof that should be needed to make up your mind.

Personally, I have kept RES and aquatic turtles for 13 years and take in surrenders but I am just starting to get into other reps. I was excited a week ago to find these forums to gain knowledge and be able to ask questions of people with more experience than I have, but after observing some of the behavior and attitude here and on other threads, I'd rather be smothered in honey, staked to an ant hill AND have a bottomless metal cage containing rats sitting on my torso with the top being heated by a propane torch than ask something and get flamed, abused or demeaned by somebody for asking for help or using a poor word choice.
That's not to say that everybody that has posted on here is like that and I have met some really nice people here that I will pm instead of posting.

 

[regardingmarley]

Wish things had gone better for ya TucsonRES. It's just a sad fact of the interwebs: forums will always have a percentage of those who feel no obligation to behave in a publicly acceptable manner because of the private nature of these communications. That said, I have had some amazing experiences here past and present, most recently with a Beardie purchase. Don't let it get you down, there's more winners than losers here luckily .

Also, I agree entirely with your stance on this and can not imagine entertaining any sympathy for D&M. If it was truly hard times, and you truly love your animals, than show that love by securing assistance in their care or alternative rescues to take on that responsibility. I understand having unforeseen circumstances and rising cost of operations causing hardship, but when you care more about the animals than yourself, you let them go, not keep them in these conditions.

 

[ShadowAceD]

In case anyone outside of AZ is unaware, it's been unusually cold in Tucson, this year. In fact, last week, it snowed in pretty much all of Tucson and it's sleeted several times beyond that. I have concerns about how warm these animals are actually able to stay in this ghetto rigged outdoor enclosures.

 

[Magic]

Does anybody have any idea how long until the more in depth investigation? Especially with the cold temps.

 

[parrotlady]

Temperatures will start to increase starting tomorrow with days in the mid 70's and nights around 45 degrees. So future inspections to check the temperatures in the enclosures may be a moot point. Actually temps around my place never got below 32 degrees during this last cool spell at night and day time temps were considerable higher.

 

[hhmoore]

It's probably a thing a few people in this thread that I haven't had time to follow it more closely...I'm quite that infractions would have received.
I'm not sure why so many links to YouTube videos have posted in this thread, but everybody should keep in mind this forum is about permanence. There nothing permanent about YouTube, videos can readily be deleted. I understand that it can be easier than typing an explanation, but that doesn't mean is a good choice. If you want to show conditions - take pictures and post them as attachments...If you want tell a story - type it out. Posting a video on somebody else's behalf fails on two different levels.