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Info Courtney & George Schertler - Retic Owners Watch Puppy Being Eaten and Posts Pics

It's not so much about keeping the dogs locked up in this case as it is leaving a snake unattended or as far as I can tell leaving it with someone who they entrusted to supervise the snake and didn't. Still their fault. I just don't see the point in letting your snakes roam outside of their cages. I handle mine but don't let them crawl all over the house.
 
I have retics and burms. They are located upstairs, behind a door in separate cages that stay locked. I also have 4 dogs. I have two dachshunds and two beagles. By most standards, these would be considered "small" dogs. The dogs are NEVER allowed upstairs unattended. In fact, a babygate is put up to ensure that they don't go up there on their own. When they are allowed upstairs (with supervision), they are never allowed in the "snake room" under any circumstances. I'm not sure why this is such a hard concept for some people to grasp. If you love and respect your animals, keep them safe.

Not some people...apparently just the subjects of this thread and Ben.
 
If any of you would have gathered a few facts before jumping on me the two were separated and both were being monitored and one of them got away resulting in the dog being eaten. that is an accident, precautions were taken.
 
bennana

If any of you would have gathered a few facts before jumping on me the two were separated and both were being monitored and one of them got away resulting in the dog being eaten. that is an accident, precautions were taken.

You know all don't you, Oh great one :bow01::bandhead0:notallthe
 
If any of you would have gathered a few facts before jumping on me the two were separated and both were being monitored and one of them got away resulting in the dog being eaten. that is an accident, precautions were taken.

An earlier post addresses this issue well:

Harsh?

As stated before, they were warned multiple times about letting that dog get in that retic's face. They were asked, repeatedly, to be more responsible about it and people tried to educate them on how to properly deal with these animals.

This is not simply an accident, this is blatant neglect that shows that someone is incapable of properly maintaining barriers and attention to a large instinct driven animal that has the ability to bring serious harm to some one or some thing.

Do I need to go over the screwed up psychology in taking a photo of this pet being killed and devoured and the POSTING it on Facebook again?

People who harm animals on purpose are assumed psychopaths but somehow this guy taking photos of this event and sharing it with the world is part of "just an accident"? No.

They have no business owning these animals.
 
Ben apparently took exception to my previous comment and sent me the following private message

fu** you ass**** I keep great care of all my reptiles, just because these people had a an accident does not take away from that nor does it mean they need to be publicly rediculed

Let me explain the concept of accident to you Ben. An accident is something that happens unexpectedly when normal acceptable levels of care are being maintained. The picture earlier in this thread clearly illustrates that these people allowed the two animals to have some level of contact.

This was not an accident. This was an inevitable disaster waiting to happen.

The fact that you cannot see that after having it repeatedly pointed out to you is a sad commentary on yboth our judgement and reading comprehension level.
 
judgement

Speaking of which, one has to wonder exactly why this thread has been brought to the top by Benjamin after all this time. Given the overwhelming response by readers that Courtney and George Schertler are irresponsible keepers and the posting of the pictures was beyond poor taste, bringing all this up just reminds everyone of this incident, and their names.
 
I was thinking the same thing Lucille. His failed and feeble attempts to defend their blatant irresponsibility is doing wonders for keeping it in the spotlight, and showing the world that there is a solid core in this community that pushes responsibility. That these owners and the guy in New Brunswick are the exception and not the rule. By all means keep bumping the thread Ben, your idiocy here is useful.
 
This is really sickening to me.... That poor little baby pup. Such ignorant and careless owners... It's no wonder why the media chews up and spits out the herp targeted stories they do...
 
If any of you would have gathered a few facts before jumping on me the two were separated and both were being monitored and one of them got away resulting in the dog being eaten. that is an accident, precautions were taken.

Ben, You have read others opinions on this within the thread? I don't think anybody overlooked what they stated. Your opinion just happens to different from others posting here.

It wasn't that the facts weren't gathered (as you state) just that the conclusions and responses to those details have resulted in the opinions that differ from yours.

If we move past that part then we come to the how this thread came to be.

So, let me just play devils advocate towards those debating your points and just concede to you that they took excellent precautions and accidents just happen. What would be the next point in this thread?

Regardless of opinions on the value designated to certain forms of life (feeders vs pets, etc..) or the rights and wrongs of such, let me just concede it as well and move on.

No-matter all those issues. Regardless if different opinions on the subject are regrettable accident or a easily preventable neglect and inappropriate care and attention to a large constrictor. Regardless of the value put on fuzzy animals vs others, they lacked the common sense to not post pictures of it online.

Even if someone thought it was no big deal or was fascinated :)rolleyes_) by the scene the lack of common sense to post it up shows flawed judgment.

Correct? For one, many states (probably not Mississippi but many) would investigate such things. Animal rights groups would absolutely jump on it as well as sympathetic lawmakers. It was completely idiotic. Do you not agree with that?

Even the few people that have been caught searching for free puppies and kittens to feed their snakes online aren't stupid enough to tell people that is what they are doing are even just take pictures of the act.

This thread is here because they didn't have the basic judgement to know that posting pictures online would result in a uproar of people are they just plain didn't care at the time.

Regardless if anyone thinks that is right or wrong those are the facts we live with today. People here are worried about their rights to keep any reptiles further diminishing. The double-edged sword on this is I think this probably the only place that this incident is being broadcast from since the original posts and conversation as been deleted on Facebook. So we are keeping the incident alive with the discussion. It shows a community interested in protecting and policing itself but it is great fodder for the animal rights nuts too.

Anyway, my personal opinion would be regardless of what anyone thinks about each part of this incident it was a extremely bad judgement to post about it online and to post pictures. It is not surprising that most here would also conclude their judgement was lacking throughout each point that is being made.

If any of you would have gathered a few facts before jumping on me the two were separated and both were being monitored and one of them got away resulting in the dog being eaten. that is an accident, precautions were taken.

Lack of judgement posting, taking pictures of the incident, Lack of judgement of posing the animal they apparently cared for within the snake's grasp multiple times previous to the 'accident'.

Why wouldn't people come to the conclusion that their precautions were lacking in judgement as well?

Yes, accidents do happen. Unforeseen incidents do occur but people lacking good judgement (particularly after being warned and continued) in a serious of events that leads to a bad outcome fits other definitions more so than just accident.

It is incompetent, overly careless to let their large constrictor pose and run around their property with other animals they state they care about or consider pets. If they stated the other animals weren't pets are animals they cared about, well, that would be a different debate.

All we know is that they have shown everyone this poor decision making multiple times. There is no reason to believe that they took any reasonable precautions.

And you know what, If it was a stupid accident, I would state let them deal with it. It's their incident. Their problems. Their values they place on their animals. Mine are different. But No, they grab a camera and post online.

Duh, hey look everybody my snake is eating the puppy. Rest in peace. WTF..
They deserve the heat they are getting. They lack any common sense.

JUST MY OPINION.................
 
:iagree: Wow that summed it up perfectly sir. That's the best post I've seen in a good while. Thank you sir.
 
I still find you all to be short minded and biased because of your culture you are putting a larger "price"on this dogs life than any other live feeders that get fed everyday to snakes and die the same death and guess what....people post pictures of it and you fools comment with oh sweet or nice you moved up a size but some one puts a picture of their dog that accidentally got eaten when the snake and dog were separated and the dog escaped from her holding area!!!!! this is an accident you are all ignorant and blind to the fact that you have no right to sit her and ridicule this person on a public forum as well as leave comments on my page such as "you are a moron don't infect the world with kids" amongst a few other choice words I received. I also do not appreciate the negative rating because your shallow minds are incapable of thinking out of your own little ignorant bubble.
 
The way I see it the dog was a pet. That is different than a feeder animal. If my favorite pet rat/rabbit was eaten by a snake I would be devastated. There would also be a lot of questions as to why I would keep a pet close enough to a snake for it to be eaten.
 
As has been pointed out previously and numerous times, Mister Ben is trolling. I don't believe him to be sincere and frankly I refuse to believe anyone could condone or attempt to justify these people's actions.

That said, he's doing a mighty fine job of keeping an old thread alive and in the spotlight.

Congratulations.
 
That said, he's doing a mighty fine job of keeping an old thread alive and in the spotlight.

Congratulations.

Not the sharpest knife in the drawer is he. So lets spell it out again. We don't think the puppy's life has greater weight, but the general public certainly does. Their attitude towards our industry is on par with your(Ben) reading comprehension, abismal on a good day. These ARE the people who end up creating New Brunswick type situations because they can't be bothered to be vigilant. Making their pets enclosure escape proof(in both cases)is just too much to ask.Bull:censored:. Defending irresponsibility and actively promoting apathy and willful ignorance on a permanent display... Should be a great boon for you. :rofl: keep it up. Policing ourselves isn't an option, it's a requirement. You think we're hard? Wait till the activists and politicians get done with our industry if we let people like you and the subjects have free reign.
 
I still find you all to be short minded and biased because of your culture you are putting a larger "price"on this dogs life than any other live feeders that get fed everyday to snakes and die the same death and guess what....people post pictures of it and you fools comment with oh sweet or nice you moved up a size but some one puts a picture of their dog that accidentally got eaten when the snake and dog were separated and the dog escaped from her holding area!!!!! this is an accident you are all ignorant and blind to the fact that you have no right to sit her and ridicule this person on a public forum as well as leave comments on my page such as "you are a moron don't infect the world with kids" amongst a few other choice words I received. I also do not appreciate the negative rating because your shallow minds are incapable of thinking out of your own little ignorant bubble.

You don't get it - this is a group of snake lovers taking a position against what they did. Try to imagine if the pictures they took of their snake eating their dog hit the media...what kind of outcry do you think THAT would cause.
Yes, many (if not most) of use are from cultures that view dogs as pets. I suspect that a lot of us have dogs. I understand that dogs are viewed differently in other parts of the world - but we aren't there, and (according to your profile, at least) neither are you. Here, dogs are protected from cruelty...frankly, if not for the very real fear of overwhelming fallout, I suspect these people would have been reported to the police. Sure, accidents happen; but - when the circumstances are repeatedly set up, knowing the potential - it almost seems more anticipated, than accidental.
Maybe they didn't really WANT the snake to snatch the dog; but you'll have a hard time convincing the people on this site that they took proper precautions against it. We simply know better.
 
Bottom line. No matter what is said in this thread, no matter how much common sense is used, no matter how many facts are true, You are not going to change dim witted peoples minds who for a second think it's OK to photograph a family member being strangled and eaten then go, Well hell we might as well take pics to post. I have met a lot of ignorant people online but the Schertler's and their supporters get the game ball easily.
 
I still find you all to be short minded and biased because of your culture you are putting a larger "price"on this dogs life than any other live feeders that get fed everyday to snakes and die the same death and guess what....people post pictures of it and you fools comment with oh sweet or nice you moved up a size but some one puts a picture of their dog that accidentally got eaten when the snake and dog were separated and the dog escaped from her holding area!!!!! this is an accident you are all ignorant and blind to the fact that you have no right to sit her and ridicule this person on a public forum as well as leave comments on my page such as "you are a moron don't infect the world with kids" amongst a few other choice words I received. I also do not appreciate the negative rating because your shallow minds are incapable of thinking out of your own little ignorant bubble.

Benjamin I think we have all come to one inescapable conclusion...you don't get it...you never will.

The bolded section above is hilarious. :rofl::rofl::rofl:


Pot??? Kettle??? Black?????
 
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