Bad Guy Heronboy, Jereme James, America's Finest Balls

[nickolasanastasiou]

By the way, I already read the SYR response with their speculation. I would rather hear from the seller or the buyer if the buyer has spoken with FedEx (not SYR).

 

[treeboa]

With all due respect, that question was asked many pages ago. No one really knows and no one is offering answers. Read the entire thread, please.

With absolutely no respect Laura I DID read the whole thread. I was letting Nickolas know I was wondering the same thing. Maybe revisiting it would prompt the OP to provide some info if he has it. It's happened before. Thought this was an open forum? Don't like my posts, don't read them!

 

[jwoolard]

I am speculating here. I think the label came off of the box, or was removed by a disgruntled fed ex employee, the box was then in "no mans land" it was opened, no label inside, obviously animals, so Fed ex sent them to the museum to deal with as they saw fit.?

I know several people inquired as to how the snakes arrived in Arkansas instead of Alabama, after being "lost" in Tennessee- so here's what I've been able to piece together.

I've been out of town and with family for Thanksgiving, but I started doing some digging the other day- contacting SYR, FedEx and I was successful at tracking down the rescue facility in Arkansas. It's a big mess for sure and some questions you and I have may never be answered.

Originally Jereme told me the snakes were found in the rescue facility and arrived there on 9/25, but the email he sent later, referenced earlier in this thread, says that they arrived on a different day. Anyway, the animal rescue said they arrived on 9/30. Here is the original tracking number 796749299669

FedEx didn't really want to tell me too much, well at least not the manager in charge of the recovery, but I did get some information from another FedEx employee, who also works in the recovery department, who was helpful. The manager did tell me that he stayed in contact with Jereme James and that Jereme knew what was going on with the shipment as the information was discovered. He did tell me that the label became separated from the box - though he didn't say if the entire label came off or if it was not properly sealed. On the Bush League thread Jereme denies this happened and said it was made up by a lower level employee from FedEx. I was thankful to at least confirm what was originally just speculation.

I also learned that the snakes were in transition- in the warehouse and traveling around Tennessee and Arkansas for 6 days until they arrived at the rescue facility on 9/30, according to Jenna, who took in the animals at the rescue center. I do not have first-hand confirmation of when the package was first located or when it was first opened, but I do know that whoever opened the box was unable to identify who shipped the snakes or who the intended recipient of the shipment was.

According to Jenna, there is a man named Joel who works at the Museum of Discovery in Arkansas who, I learned, is a missing link to how the snakes arrived at the rescue center. Apparently someone at FedEx knows Joel and contacted him to see if he could take the snakes. I have not spoken to Joel so I cannot confirm this, but it's plausible if nothing else.

After Jenna received the shipping supplies from SYR, she shipped the snakes, I had purchased, back to Jereme on the evening of 10/7 and they were delivered the next morning in California. Here is the tracking number 796857204020

It's even more upsetting to me now that Jereme James (Heronboy) knew my snakes were not only in an animal rescue facility, but that they were unaccounted for and passed around (who knows where) for nearly a week.
It's also more apparent that Jereme James can't be trusted with his word and that he should have refunded my money that first week -and then worked with FedEx to retrieve his snakes.

John

 

[nickolasanastasiou]

Thank you so much, John.

 

[treeboa]

I had a label come off once too. FedEx opened the box and found my invoice. It did get sent back to me instead of my customer, but at least it never was actually lost. Even if the label was Fedex's fault, no invoice is Jereme's. One less excuse to get out of it. John, seriously, I would look into legal action. What he's doing to you is felony theft.

 

[paddysdaddy]

From a legal perspective. the longer a claimant waits to pursue a charge, the less seriously it is taken by judges or court moderators. If there is a reason to wait longer, then wait John, but I'd be formalizing the complaint this week. Even if you get a judgment from a court, recovering that money is hardly guaranteed.
This kind of deception, fraud and delay can only damage this venue of trust between buyers and sellers, specifically on Fauna but extending to all non-face to face transactions between hobbyists.

 

[snowgyre]

Isn't it a violation of the Lacey Act to not have an itemized invoice included in the shipment? Was an itemized invoice included in lost the FedEx label? If not, Jereme also violated Federal law. I agree with Jeff; had the invoice been present and in the appropriate location (easily accessible inside the box on top of the styrofoam, and not inside the FedEx shipping label), the whole mess may have been averted.

Regardless, I find it extremely disturbing that Jereme was kept informed by FedEx and yet did not give John any notifications. That's absurdly irresponsible and unethical.

 

[David Reid]

I would write up a loan agreement with 18% interest. It would have a payment schedule with monthly payments, which would include the interest, and a repayment period over 6 months. I would send it certified mail, with a fax number where he can send the signed agreement back. I would give him a week, with the stipulation that this is his one way out of this mess, and the next step is in court.

 

[HRoss]

John,
This is not a dig at all. But, I can not see a court siding with you when you refused to accept the package. I just do not believe a judge will be understanding of the snakes being "tainted" as you say. Not that i do not agree with you. But, legally he did deliver the product to you. I believe that would count as unclaimed goods.
Best of luck
howard

 

[treeboa]

He didn't refuse the package. It was never at his door. It went on a nearly weeklong trip all over the place and ultimately ended back with Jeremy. When John didn't want the snakes redelivered he asked for a refund. Jeremy refused sold the snakes and refused to refund John leaving him with no snakes and no $4500. Not unclaimed, theft, period.

 

[HRoss]

I do believe he rejected the package with fedex.

 

[HRoss]

I might be wrong, but i believe they were shipped from the rehab facility to John directly. At which point John refused delivery. I am not saying that jeremy is in the right at all.

 

[treeboa]

Reread the thread. The package spent days bouncing around between hubs because of no label then ended up in a neighboring state. The package never was at his house to refuse. He refused to have the snake shipped to him after the fact from the rescue after being lost for, I believe, 6 days. The seller basically told him he could accept the snakes or he would auction them off and John would be SOL. Theft. No court will side with Jeremy. Refusal of delivery applies to refusing at your door. This is altogeher different.

 

[Charlie Redmon]

I might be wrong, but i believe they were shipped from the rehab facility to John directly. At which point John refused delivery. I am not saying that jeremy is in the right at all.

No, that's incorrect, while the animals were at the rescue, one of Jereme's offered solutions was that the animals be shipped directly from there to John but if this happened Jereme said he would give no guarantee of their health.

The animals were kind of in limbo for about a week either on trucks or bouncing from one fedex facility to another, then arrived at the rescue on 9/30 where they stayed until they were shipped back to Jereme on 10/7, arriving back home on 10/8.

 

[HRoss]

this is a direct quote from jeremy. whether it is true or not i do not know. i am not in any way sticking up for him. I do not know jeremy. John is a very pleasant person to speak with. But, if this quote below is true then i stand by my first post in saying that i do not believe a court would side with john

10) When the snakes were recovered, John had told me to have them shipped to him. He never had the decency to call me, or email me telling me he had changed his mind. I had to find out that the snakes were coming back to me from ShipYourReptiles.com, he called them and refused to accept the shipment.

 

[jwoolard]

I might be wrong, but i believe they were shipped from the rehab facility to John directly. At which point John refused delivery. I am not saying that jeremy is in the right at all.

The closet the snakes came to my shipping address in Alabama was the FedEx hub in Memphis, TN on 9/24/2013 (the day I should have received them). They were not shipped out of the rescue facility in Arkansas until 10/7/2013. That's a total of 14 initial days without receiving what I payed for.
I was concerned about the snakes well being even before they were located in a rescue facility, and that is documented. Likewise, the snakes spent a minimum of 8 days in the rescue before being shipped back to Jereme James (Heronboy). Jereme even said himself that he would not offer the same guarantee on the animals if they were shipped to me from the rescue center in Arkansas. So, Jereme James (Heronboy) denied both my request for a refund and he had the snakes shipped back to his facility while keeping my $4500.
John

 

[HRoss]

John

I have absolutely nothing against you. I was referring to this quote directly from jeremy on the other site.

10) When the snakes were recovered, John had told me to have them shipped to him. He never had the decency to call me, or email me telling me he had changed his mind. I had to find out that the snakes were coming back to me from ShipYourReptiles.com, he called them and refused to accept the shipment.

In direct relation to a theoretical court proceeding that many are calling for.
I am sorry for your loss, and wish that on no one
howard

 

[jwoolard]

No worries, Howard.
I think it was Laura B who called Jereme out on this very thing. It's also the same thing Jereme was called out for on the Bush League thread. There was nothing to refuse- no shipment had been booked and no plans had been made to ship the animals to me.
Please refer to the original emails at the beginning of this thread, in particular post #3 in which Jereme himself writes,

"After thought and hearing your concerns on the general wellbeing of the animals I would prefer the animals sent back to me so I can quarantine them, feed them and make sure there in the same condition as they were on 9-23-2013. I assume this should take no more than two weeks at which point I would send them back to you. In the event that you would prefer me to send them directly to you I will ship to you without hesitation. However, would be hard to offer same guarantee on shipping and wellbeing without packing, seeing and caring for prior to you receiving them. Again it is my attention to make sure you are happy with whatever is decided and I appreciate your understanding and patients."

 

[HRoss]

good enough for me. i mentioned i did not know if the statement was true or not.

 

[David Reid]

I think that Jereme has made John's case for him. Jereme, in one of the posts, stated that he would not guarantee, or have the "same" guarantee if the snakes were shipped from the Rescue straight to John. Why not? Maybe, he had the same reservations as John, about the "quality" of snake coming from an unknown holding area, the rescue facility. I think John has the right to ask for a refund based on the unknown holding facility, and the fact that he bought the snakes to breed this year. I think if Jereme felt good enough about the quality of care the snakes received at the rescue, and had the snakes shipped back to him, it does not mean John needs to feel the same way.

Dave