Bad Guy Heronboy, Jereme James, America's Finest Balls

[LauraB]

Everyone on the BOI condemning him as a thief isn't really the best way to motivate him to save his reputation by issuing a refund.

Seriously? The snakes were paid for and supposed to be shipped on Sept. 23. They were lost in transit ... their health and welfare then not guaranteed even by Jereme. Why then would John want to accept snakes he spent $4,500.00 for? Do you have that cash to throw down the drain? I don't ... and I won't.

Add to that the "options" set forth by Jereme ... basically, "you either do what I want, or the snakes are auctioned off". Which he did.

It's obvious he didn't want those snakes back in his collection either, that's why he got rid of them so fast instead of properly quarantining/caring for them and then re-selling as he claimed he would.

With all due respect to Fauna and Rich and all the absolute, undisputed value this site is to the industry and hobby, a person's integrity, honesty and ethics are not born of BOI posts. Those values are innate. The honest and ethical refund should have been done long before the OP had to come here.

Bottom line is, Jereme shouldn't have to be "motivated", like a child, to do the right thing two months later. He should have just done the right thing a long time ago.

 

[hhmoore]

a person's integrity, honesty and ethics are not born of BOI posts. Those values are innate.

The honest and ethical refund should have been done long before the OP had to come here.

Jereme shouldn't have to be "motivated",like a child, to do the right thing two months later. He should have just done the right thing a long time ago.

I wish I could give you karma for all 3 of those statements, Laura

 

[Runtzz]

The name calling and judgmental posts aren't helpful at all guys. Jereme can still refund the OP's money. He's had a lot of good business transactions. I am still hopeful he will do the right thing.

I'd like to see you loose $4500, then you'd probably be here doing the same thing in a heartbeat!

 

[Casey Hulse]

I am so sorry for you John, but I believe your only recourse will be the courts. The true nature of HeronBoy is slowly coming to light, and it does not look good.
With the possibility of exposing your collection to some unknown pathogen, you had no choice but refuse delivery of the animals

It makes you wonder how James acquired his collection of high end animals.?!

How many deli cups could fit in a fake leg?
I wish you the best of luck

 

[treeboa]

I'd like to see you loose $4500, then you'd probably be here doing the same thing in a heartbeat!

Actually that kind of her point. She did have good dealings with him. I did too. No indication this was coming. I really understand where she is coming from. I, too, am still not ready to write him off. Despite what he says I really think he just doesn't have the $4500, but swallowing some pride and admiitting it would be better than all of this.

I understand the feelings on the smuggling thing too and I usually hate this too. In this case and Tom Crutchfield's captive Fiji Bandeds were involved. Maybe if the Fiji government didn't exercise such ridiculous control over the captive animals they wouldn't have that "Forbidden fruit of the tree" temptation for people. I know off subject, just saying.

 

[Runtzz]

Actually that kind of her point. She did have good dealings with him. I did too. No indication this was coming. I really understand where she is coming from. I, too, am still not ready to write him off. Despite what he says I really think he just doesn't have the $4500, but swallowing some pride and admiitting it would be better than all of this.


Theirs nothing wrong with anyone who had good transactions with him, him taking $4500 is where he went wrong. Yes, he "can" issue a refund but I still don't think it should take months to return it. I do agree with you on him admitting he doesn't have the money at the moment instead going through this.

 

[Robert Walker]

Despite what he says I really think he just doesn't have the $4500, but swallowing some pride and admiitting it would be better than all of this.

If this is the case, and he doesn't have the money to pay John back, then I have a solution to help both parties. I will offer the solution up only if Mr. James says that he can not "afford" to pay back John. Without getting into the details and nuts and bolts of "how/what", I will send John $4,500. Mr. James will send me some of his snakes. John doesn't want his snakes, I get it. I don't want his snakes at full price either. This would get John his money and help him out. This would give both parties a way out.

This would not rebuild Mr. James's reputation, he would have to do that himself, but at least this would all come to a close. Again, the exact "how/what" TBD, only if Mr. James says he can't afford to payback John.

 

[ShadowAceD]

The name calling and judgmental posts aren't helpful at all guys. Jereme can still refund the OP's money. He's had a lot of good business transactions. I am still hopeful he will do the right thing.

People have changed their minds and done the right thing in the past. Assuming that Jereme is just going to run with the OP's money isn't doing the OP any favors. You're making it the easiest thing for Jereme to do since everyone is assuming he will anyway.

Well he's told lies about several other things, it would be wonderful if him proclaiming that he will never pay John back a single penny turned out to be his next lie.

That's the idea. Everyone on the BOI condemning him as a thief isn't really the best way to motivate him to save his reputation by issuing a refund.

Actually that kind of her point. She did have good dealings with him. I did too. No indication this was coming. I really understand where she is coming from. I, too, am still not ready to write him off. Despite what he says I really think he just doesn't have the $4500, but swallowing some pride and admiitting it would be better than all of this.

I understand the feelings on the smuggling thing too and I usually hate this too. In this case and Tom Crutchfield's captive Fiji Bandeds were involved. Maybe if the Fiji government didn't exercise such ridiculous control over the captive animals they wouldn't have that "Forbidden fruit of the tree" temptation for people. I know off subject, just saying.

Here's the problem ...

Unfortunately John feels he is entitled to a full refund, and I disagree. I didn’t fail to do anything as a business, other than to meet his unreasonable request (as I see it). Our personality differences surely didn’t help this situation, but I am still willing to work with John under the conditions I have set forth; he is not.

That quote right there is where John is saying, I am a thief, I am not giving his money back. Our personalities do not mesh, I have a bruised ego, I am going to hold my breath, fold my arms and stomp around until this goes away and I am 4500.00 richer still.

He says he is still willing to work with John under the conditions he set forth but there is a huge problem with that. The animals are gone. They have been auctioned off, so how is John supposed to comply now, hmn? The only option left is Jereme can send John other snakes, but John does not want them and I cannot blame him.

Not many people would let the guy that shoved the knife in their back take it out for them.

John paid Jereme by check, he knows he cannot just call upon his credit card company or PayPal to regain the funds. He would have to go to court and in most small claims the maximum allowed is 5K. Jereme is not going to go to court or pay. He is going to let it default in John's favor months from now and by the time all is said and done? John will probably have paid almost that entire amount just trying to get it back if he can get it back.

Jereme is a thief, pure and simple. If us calling him one is someone going to keep him from doing the right thing, then he is a cowardice thief with no respect for his customers or himself.

Jereme has been shown publicly, on multiple venues, to be egotistical, unrelenting and unwilling to do the right thing. This is Jereme's fault. Is it not anyone else's, period. If people telling him to do the right thing is not making him do the right thing, he is not doing it until it effects his sales enough that he is forced to.

He dug this hole and he made his bed in it. He needs to lie in it. Defense of him or criticism of the conclusions made because of his actions is foolish and unwarranted.

 

[Amelanistic Orca]

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Read his reviews if ya get bored

 

[treeboa]

Just to be clear, I'm not saying Jereme should be let off the hook or cut any slack. I'm just saying I know where Sarah's coming from. Like I said earlier I would be contacting authorities to press charges. What Jereme is doing is theft, pure and simple!

 

[Amelanistic Orca]

If this is the case, and he doesn't have the money to pay John back, then I have a solution to help both parties. I will offer the solution up only if Mr. James says that he can not "afford" to pay back John. Without getting into the details and nuts and bolts of "how/what", I will send John $4,500. Mr. James will send me some of his snakes. John doesn't want his snakes, I get it. I don't want his snakes at full price either. This would get John his money and help him out. This would give both parties a way out.

This would not rebuild Mr. James's reputation, he would have to do that himself, but at least this would all come to a close. Again, the exact "how/what" TBD, only if Mr. James says he can't afford to payback John.

THIS IMPRESSES ME! I'd like to buy Robert 3 of his favorite for this... Monster offer right here. I always say there is a split right down the middle with snake/reptile 'keepers/creepers.'

What I mean is... just as many thieves and con artists as there are complete standup gentlemen/women that will go 'HUGE' for the cause... That's one of you Robert! There ain't many of you left sir!

Somebody also mentioned how a large and impressive collection came about for some of these kids with monster collections... I was told a long time ago. Appx 15yrs ago, that if you were to check the waffles on the bottom of some, and I do mean some... Maybe more than some, but some. Lol. At any rate, if you checked those waffles you would find blood, feces, and the souls of a lot of people and animals attached to it.

What I guess I'm saying is... Thievery and marching right over some of your customer base and friends is what I mean there. Damn, I never thought I would agree fully til now. Consider who you want to have your money. I knew Jereme was a thief appx 5 yrs ago. I stopped $30k from going his way fwiw. I did, that's how I remembered all of this. When a friend asks, I dig. And I don't stop til I hit caliche.

Oh, and guess what... I have a foolproof plan to earn more than $4500 back from you Jereme. Does anybody see where I'm headed? I just posted a clue prior to this. It's right there, dangling Jereme. I implore you to keep $200 for your pain and suffering, and to get some Aleve for your headache... And return the rest to John. You can be FORCED to repay. You gotta trust in me on this little Xmas gift.

Oh, and why 'o why do I keep reading your username with an 'I' in it? Why? "HEROINBOY?"





(AND I'M DONE POSTING GUYS, EVERYBODY HATES ME BECAUSE I SLAM BAD GUYS/GALS SO HARD. I love doing it. But. My heart is heavy right now for the Holidays, I apologize for 3/4 of my posts on these forums, I really do. I get banned 10 times out of 9 for them, lol, and, I know it's coming again. I have a habit of picking up stones and throwing them right back at bad guys. Sometimes so much harder than their initial throw, that I instantly become the bad guy... I hate people that step into reptiles with a deep pocketbook, thievery, and no real time experience... Bla bla bla. YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE! Main thing here is Jereme's hand can be forced. Please somebody see it so I can be a nice quite guy again.)

 

[SofaKing]

Just got caught up on whats been going on with this situation.

I have to say that what Robert offered was a stand up thing to do!

I wondered how John paid when I first started to follow this, and finally learned he paid by check. Since it was a check, then this crime just escalated. Anything over $2500.00 is considered Grand Larceny, which is a Felony charge. And since it was through a bank then it could be considered a Federal Crime since the restrictions and regulations from the DOD on banks after 9/11. You could also through in some misdemeanor charges in there as well to finish it off.

With Jereme's past accusations against him, well it sucks to be him at this point.

If I was John I'd start the process with the Local State Police.

 

[meowmeowkazoo]

I wasn't defending him.

I was attempting to assist the OP by encouraging Jereme to do the right thing, although Laura is right, he shouldn't have to be motivated like a small child is.

Time and time again I have seen BOI posts end with the bad guy refusing to refund any money because his reputation is already ruined and people already hate him. If everyone on the BOI already has condemned you, the BOI loses any motivational power it might have had. All that's left is legal recourse for the OP. We no longer have the power to influence Jereme's decision, if we ever did.

It's easy to post insults and accusations, and it usually racks up karma for your account pretty well too. I was attempting to put the OP's loss before my own desire to gain approval from my peers or indulge in catharsis by ranting at Jereme.

Since nobody else seems to think that will be a productive direction to take, I won't continue. What Jereme has done here is reprehensible, and I sincerely hope the OP is taking legal action to retrieve his stolen funds.

 

[meowmeowkazoo]

And thanks for the negative karma, anonymous! I actually was being "intentionally dense and naive." I had good intentions, but apparently they weren't obvious enough. I didn't think I was being very subtle.

 

[ophidile]

Time and time again I have seen BOI posts end with the bad guy refusing to refund any money because his reputation is already ruined and people already hate him.

I know what you are saying but with all due respect, I don't think those people would refund even if the BOI was only a positive and encouraging place. Those people are just looking for a reason not to refund and if it's not one excuse, it'd be another.

I think heronboy and everyone else knows when a potential customer tells them "Well I was looking but this thread here turned me off" it'd look a lot better if they can point to later in the thread and say "look we worked it out and I refunded them". Plenty of the silent majority who do searches later on on sellers notice that sort of thing.

 

[Damage Inc.]

These are the types of horror story's that should only be exposed for the heinous crime that they are.
There might have been a time for diplomacy, and touchy feely emotions but that time is long past.
A refund should have been issued as soon as Jereme received "HIS" merchandise back. Game over, End of Story, Thanks for Playing!!!!
A refund is required, expected, demanded.

 

[Fangthane]

And thanks for the negative karma, anonymous! I actually was being "intentionally dense and naive." I had good intentions, but apparently they weren't obvious enough. I didn't think I was being very subtle.

You're very welcome, meow! It'd seem that you're dissembling now, but I suspect that you're currently afflicted with the same sudden-onset idiocy that also comes on when Frade is the subject. Go ahead and coddle the bad guy if that's your chosen method of karma-whoring. Time and time again, they use the excuse that, "my reputation is shot, so I might as well do nothing." You're exceptionally dense and naive if you think that that rationalization has much basis in reality. It's nothing more than an excuse to stay their chosen course.

 

[Casey Hulse]

I certainly hope Johns silence, while the rest of us keep posting is due to the fact that he has legal proceedings
underway.
Best of luck John!!

 

[treeboa]

I certainly hope Johns silence, while the rest of us keep posting is due to the fact that he has legal proceedings
underway.
Best of luck John!!

Ditto!

 

[paddysdaddy]

If the check was mailed, it's Federal Mail Fraud.
Reading all this plus the fact I was just cheated by a seller here makes me wonder how many ARE actually legitimate healthy animals. Thanks, CROOKS!!!