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Inquiry Why All The Hate Toward Reptiles By Mack?

If it were obvious we would see more lawsuits. PETA and others have been video'ing the abuse at factory hog farms for years. The fact that they have video cameras recording actually employees neglect and commit acts of cruelty kinda negates your suggestion that its the PEAT people themselves doing the abuse.



Peta employees apply for a job caring for animals, then the very animals they were in charge are are videoed being neglected. Does anyone else not see the obvious culprit here is peta? Time to bust out the animal cruelty charges against them plus a civil suit.
 
Held accountable for video'ing animal abuse?
Held accountable for staging/creating the abuse so it can be "documented" into a shock video and used to destroy the retile industry and for fundraising. It wouldn't be the first time.
 
But you have no proof of that in this case. In fact, if you've ever spent time at big animal wholesalers, you would probably agree that the abuse recorded in the video is not surprising at all.



Held accountable for staging/creating the abuse so it can be "documented" into a shock video and used to destroy the retile industry and for fundraising. It wouldn't be the first time.
 
I was told a long long time ago that PETA doesn't love animals, they just hate people. It's been hard to see them any other way since then.
 
Your buying in to the propaganda put out there by corporate, industrial animal agriculture, fcatory farms, big box pet stores, etc. Dont be a dupe! :)


I was told a long long time ago that PETA doesn't love animals, they just hate people. It's been hard to see them any other way since then.
 
Your buying in to the propaganda put out there by corporate, industrial animal agriculture, fcatory farms, big box pet stores, etc. Dont be a dupe! :)
Thanks for the heads-up but I think it's you that may be getting duped. :) Btw, are you a member?
 
Just curious I keep hearing how this is going to "destroy the reptile industry" or "they will ban all our reptiles". Don't you think that is a bit much? No one really cares except PETA lovers. Our reptiles are not going anywhere. What is the worst that happens from this video? Less purchases from box retailers? Good, I imagine almost all the reptile community would support that.

Nothing horrible is going to happen to the reptile community because of this. You can chill out and take a deep breath.
 
Just curious I keep hearing how this is going to "destroy the reptile industry" or "they will ban all our reptiles". Don't you think that is a bit much? No one really cares except PETA lovers. Our reptiles are not going anywhere. What is the worst that happens from this video? Less purchases from box retailers? Good, I imagine almost all the reptile community would support that.

Nothing horrible is going to happen to the reptile community because of this. You can chill out and take a deep breath.

Have you missed all of the laws that have been passed regarding ownership?
Anything that gives the anti-reptile crowd ammunition is bad.
 
Just curious I keep hearing how this is going to "destroy the reptile industry" or "they will ban all our reptiles". Don't you think that is a bit much? No one really cares except PETA lovers. Our reptiles are not going anywhere. What is the worst that happens from this video? Less purchases from box retailers? Good, I imagine almost all the reptile community would support that.

Nothing horrible is going to happen to the reptile community because of this. You can chill out and take a deep breath.

Aside from an injunction, have you found it has become more easy to move large reptiles around? How about several varieties of salamander? Have local restrictions on snakes, dog breeds, and crocodilians in terms of possession and/or selling/buying become more extensive or less? If they opposed efforts to repeal the utterly brainless (from a microbiological perspective...which should be the basis there) 4" law, would you find that surprising? While there are many reasons that feed into these changes and it is usually not just one root, this organization does appear to have a hand in many efforts to further such causes. These things chip away at our industry and hobby. The public declaration is usually that it is to provide some form of safety, but it really only protects those who select themselves out from the gene pool via any means most humans would avoid. Other cases are to prevent supposed invasive potential, but the restrictions often get extended to regions where survival in the outdoor environment would be effectively impossible. That boils down to control. Someone somewhere thinks he or she has right to rule us as a master and deny us choice.

Knocking out bigger players makes it easier to knock out smaller players whose financial means as individuals make for far less clout (and people are generally terrible at unifying constructively without serious leadership...which can also then be exploited, thereby providing another impediment to progress or even merely maintenance/stability).
 
Have you missed all of the laws that have been passed regarding ownership?
Anything that gives the anti-reptile crowd ammunition is bad.

Yes, but this isn't like your boa strangling a child and then the city banning them. It isn't like someones venomous snake bit them and now we are trying to pass laws that ban all venomous snakes. This video doesn't focus on anything specific. What exactly is a law maker going to see in this video and use to ban or limit something? I just don't see it. Just for the record this is not the first reptile supplier PETA has gone after. They have done it multiple times over the last decade and I haven't seen any consequences for reptile owners. Actually I don't think authorities have even punished the suppliers.

This is similar to one of the million articles/videos on puppy mills...have any restrictions or difficulty buying a dog recently? This just isn't something that is going to effect us as a reptile owner. Could it effect the big chain reptile suppliers? Possibly,but is that really a bad thing if something like this is going on?
 
If you want to see what they actually deal with on the dogs side you might start here:

http://www.akc.org/government-relations/position-statements/

What are you trying to say? What is this? What in this link relates to the topic at hand? Yes lots of statements on different topics, but it has no direct relation to PETA or anything we are talking about.

I can assume what you are trying to say here...but I would rather not assume and be wrong.
 
You brought up dogs as an example that these sorts of animal rights actions have no effect. They can and do have an effect. Educate yourself before you go talking about the animal right movement not affecting the ability to breed, buy and own a dog.
 
Yes, but this isn't like your boa strangling a child and then the city banning them. It isn't like someones venomous snake bit them and now we are trying to pass laws that ban all venomous snakes. This video doesn't focus on anything specific. What exactly is a law maker going to see in this video and use to ban or limit something? I just don't see it. Just for the record this is not the first reptile supplier PETA has gone after. They have done it multiple times over the last decade and I haven't seen any consequences for reptile owners. Actually I don't think authorities have even punished the suppliers.

This is similar to one of the million articles/videos on puppy mills...have any restrictions or difficulty buying a dog recently? This just isn't something that is going to effect us as a reptile owner. Could it effect the big chain reptile suppliers? Possibly,but is that really a bad thing if something like this is going on?

Actually, yes, it does affect everyone. Your choices have been reduced as to what you can buy and from whom. Even if it means the supply has been reduced so that prices have increased, your choices have been affected. Maybe you don't care, but I'm pretty sure others do.

It's much like the old style freezers in your refrigerator used to be. You never really notice the ice gradually filling up the freezer until one day you can't put anything into it, nor get out anything that is already in it. That is the way laws of this ilk work. Keep on taking one little piece at a time until there is nothing left. Never assume that this adversary is too stupid or inept to be able to take away something from you.

If I had not retired from reptile breeding myself, certainly I would have been impacted by the actions of PETA and other such organizations. I used to sell a substantial number of animals to a wholesaler (Global Exotics) that they drummed out of business. I am certain that others were affected by this as well. For each and every wholesaler that PETA and other like organizations might be successful in putting out of business, a LOT of other people in this industry will be hugely negatively affected.

So in the case of RBM, they had apparently unknowingly hired PETA moles there who were likely tasked by RBM with cleaning and caring for the animals. So their job was to keep the cages clean, take care of the animals health and welfare, and certainly make note of any problems they found while doing their rounds. They had a front row seat with unrestrained viewing to the sort of stuff that just happens when dealing with live animals. Likely they were also involved with unpacking freshly arrived shipments. Those people got to see the worst of the worst because it was their job to deal with problems as the first responders, and what did they do? They took video with hidden cameras. Anyone here gotten a shipment that contained animals in poor condition? Anyone here had animals injured during breeding or egg laying? Anyone here had animals get sick and deteriorate rapidly? Anyone here just had animals die without warning and no prior symptoms? Now imagine someone had been at your facility with a hidden camcorder and it had been their job to deal and rectify those problems. But no, instead you get to see that all on YouTube branding you as some sort of mass murderer of animals.

Health problems and injuries are par for the course when dealing with large quantities of any animals. It's simply percentages speaking. Having one out of a thousand animals being decidedly not photo worthy because of health, condition, or injury doesn't sound so bad if you have 1,000 or less animals. Heck, with only 10 animals or less, you very well might NEVER have such problems. But if you move 200,000+ animals yearly through your facility and having someone with an apparent agenda in mind with a camcorder handy and access to the worst of the worst, well, then it does seem to be a big deal with that limited focus applied to the edited video made public. Do you think they took any video of the good work and healthy animals there? Not very likely. How long were they actually at RBM? How long was the video they compiled? If they were there for months and could only get 3 minutes of what they considered "damning" video, what is that telling you about the reality of what took place?

And while I am thinking of it. I do hope that people here realize that PETA likely has this site and others involved in the sales, maintenance, propagation, and enjoyment of animals in their sights as well. Bear what that implies in mind, please.
 
You brought up dogs as an example that these sorts of animal rights actions have no effect. They can and do have an effect. Educate yourself before you go talking about the animal right movement not affecting the ability to breed, buy and own a dog.

Oh so one has to be a member of PETA to have an opinion on such topic? Nothing in that link said anything about PETA. Most people I know would be against most topics covered in that link. Do I have to be apart of PETA to not support dog auctions? That is what you are trying to say.

And you know what some movements by non PETA outlets are very good and should be supported. It should be hard to breed animals and buy them. Why are you generalizing that all animal rights movements are bad and related to PETA?

All I am saying is if you think this video is going to hurt the reptile community and what we do I think you are very wrong. These exact videos have been done in the past and nothing has ever happened. There isn't a big outcry on this video. It isn't on the today show, not on the nightly news...it isn't a big deal.
 
And let me clarify before every freaks out. When I say hard to breed animals I just mean maybe you shouldn't just be able to go get 5 animals and go to town. Maybe a mass breeder like RBM should be inspected on a regular basis(if they aren't already). You know our hobby isn't perfect and we should see that. We have problems like what is shown in the RBM video and we have lots of irresponsible owners. Yes it is unfortunate it is hard to get Retics(?) because many decided to release them into the wild. Unfortunately that was a case laws had to be put in place to help minimize that. Same goes for crocs.

I wish it was a perfect world and we responsible owners could do things easier, but sometimes others ruin that for us. Doesn't makes the laws wrong.
 
Also maybe this was missed by you guys, but I am not denying PETA can negatively effect our hobby or others. I specifically said this video will have not effect on our hobby and stated why.

If someone would like to disagree that is fine. Just curious why someone would think that.
 
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