Bad Guy Jay Sommers/super show/USFW/axolotl

[WebSlave]

I believe these were FB PM messages. They stay put unless someone were to erase the conversation history.

Welcome to Facebook. Where only when chosen messages can be deleted. Otherwise they will remain there as long as the account is open.

Ah, thank you. I believe it was the battery symbol in the screen captures that threw me. And you are correct in assuming that I do not frequent FaceBook neither.

 

[JayBoa1372]

I am not telling you that you are not allowed to do anything. Please do not put words into my mouth. If anything this is a realization that your words can be used against you at any point in time. Your "private" conversation is now out on a public forum, therefore no longer private.

I don't know where a joke can be contrived from what was said about female agents performing fellatio, but a joke is supposed to be funny. That was not.

Your logic in regards to USFW officers talking the same is childish at best. Just because they have done it, it warrants you to? You're taking what I said out of context and like I am attacking you. I think it valorous that you stuck up for the 16 year old girl. It shows that you are capable of being a moral human being.

In response to your question about keeping your mouth shut in all messages, that is ultimately your decision. But hopefully you realize that private messages can just as quickly become public, and visible to many.

 

[Jay Sommers Reptiles]

Look I never claimed to be the guiding light of morality and ethics. I said what I said. I owned it I actually apologized for it if people read the thread.
It was a joke. People make jokes about fellatio all the time. In fact it's really common. Im sure many things you find funny I wouldn't and vice versa. In my opinion it doesn't make anyone right or wrong.
Hey at least the heat is off mike matson...
i am not going to argue more about something I said in confidence and in private that someone now is using against me to make themselves look good.

Like I said I knew I was going to recieve backlash for sticking up for this young girl. I am ok with it. It doesn't make mike matsons offenses ok. It just drags me down with him I guess? I can take it I assure you. I am not going to live in fear of backlashes. Of the things matson has posted none of them brought harm to anyone. No one was affected negatively in anyway. And someone posting what I said as a joke in a private conversation to try and keep me quiet says more about him than it does about me. You realize it's a form of extortion/blackmail to threaten to post things publicly if I talk.

 

[JayBoa1372]

I have nothing against you, I don't even know you. I couldn't pick you out of a crowd if my life was in danger. No one took heat off anyone as well. I simply stated my position on the whole array of threads being posted between the three of you, and for some reason it bothered you. Again I reiterate that I never was attacking you, attempting to take flak off anyone or anything of that manner. It was simply an opinion of the situation. I do not care to argue anything else as I feel it is derailing the thread. Have a good day Mr. Sommers and I wish you the best in your endeavors.

 

[jrsexotics]

It's hard to say. I had a facility in Arizona for over a year. However arizona passed a law banning transgenic animals so I had to move those back to Kansas City metro.

You say you have these facilities yet I've never seen a pic of one. Hmmmm

Jay you know you brought those animals in illegally and offered them at a show from under the table. You should be removed from the show for breaking the rules. I was removed for "cyber bullying" which is a joke and is not stated on the site rules at all. However, you are Ramys friend and the godfather to his kids so I see where the hypocrisy is.

You've spent all day trying to twist,deflect and justify this. It's clear what you did in the screen shots. Not only about the axolotl and show but having me keep Yusukes frogs issues on the down low. Then you have the brass to tell me now that I have never complained about them once til I had a $3900.00 balance.

I haven't even laid out the samurai blue pacman scam proof out yet. I sure can do that also and give thanks to you for inspiration to post about it.

Do I like putting these pm's out. Not at all. However you have been at it all week even when I didn't respond. You are full of it Jay. You can call and threaten me again all you want. Truth is out there. You aren't a saint

 

[Jay Sommers Reptiles]

Grasping at straws mike. I am not the godfather to Ramys kids leave him out of this and bob And everyone else.
You proved I took time out of my life to help
You with your issues regarding the health of your frogs. That I made a crude off color comment and we talked about axolotls.

I never ripped you off. Done anything to you or Barry in fact. And you think in some way you are vindicated for all the things you have done??? I am not the one who started bad guy threAds about you. In fact I have never started a bad guy thread about anyone to my knowledge. All I did was let you know it was not ok to post a 10 minute video bashing a child. And that the comments after that video are dangerous. Do you think I haven't gotten irritated by this girl? I have . But I befriended her instead of bashing her.

 

[jrsexotics]

I was friends with her for over a year Jay previous to this all Jay. She went off about me.


Your right you didn't go posting a thread about me instead you asked me to post it on you.

Ramy put himself in this mess after you asked him to ban me. Ramy still has yet to reply to my email about the ban. Says a lot right there.

Now, I would consider it a hypocrisy if he allows you at the show. You should be banned for dealing illegal animals out from under your booth. I'm sure after fish and game read those messages there presence at these shows will be much stronger. Couldn't imagine if you were caught at the show by them what type of media that would bring. "Reptile shows now a black market for illegal species" where vendors sell them out from under their tables.

You can make it seem like you never brought the axolotl to the show but you clearly did in the messages. Even offered to ship them to me.

You are trying to play the "innocent" card. You were caught Jay. You have irritated before and I still held those messages back. Now, with you getting me banned from the show and then ruining a friendship with Bob you can deal with this messages in the public eye.

 

[Jay Sommers Reptiles]

So which is it mike? You keep saying I was selling axolotls under my table?? But in your damning evidence i very clearly stated I didn't really have any...

Let me make this clear. I did not get you banned from any show. You did that yourself. Stop blaming others and own it, accept it and move on. There is no conspiracy here.
Also I have never in my life claimed to be a saint. Quite the contrary. No one on this forum is that pure. So with that being said... I guess I should keep my mouth shut and not defend a child who can't defend herself???

 

[Jay Sommers Reptiles]

I was friends with her for over a year Jay previous to this all Jay. She went off about me.


Your right you didn't go posting a thread about me instead you asked me to post it on you.

Ramy put himself in this mess after you asked him to ban me. Ramy still has yet to reply to my email about the ban. Says a lot right there.

Now, I would consider it a hypocrisy if he allows you at the show. You should be banned for dealing illegal animals out from under your booth. I'm sure after fish and game read those messages there presence at these shows will be much stronger. Couldn't imagine if you were caught at the show by them what type of media that would bring. "Reptile shows now a black market for illegal species" where vendors sell them out from under their tables.

You can make it seem like you never brought the axolotl to the show but you clearly did in the messages. Even offered to ship them to me.

You are trying to play the "innocent" card. You were caught Jay. You have irritated before and I still held those messages back. Now, with you getting me banned from the show and then ruining a friendship with Bob you can deal with this messages in the public eye.

In this post you have blamed me for causing a bigger presence of agents at a show ( you posted this not me) trust me there will never be illegal animals posessed by me at a show or anywhere.
You blamed me for getting you banned from a show. I actually don't have that power.
You blamed me for ruining a "friendship" no actually that was all you as well. You are projecting. I don't have the power and influence you think. And if I did I wouldn't use it. I don't need to.
You blame everyone else but yourself for everything you do. It's maddening.

 

[Jay Sommers Reptiles]

You blame Yusuke for you not paying him the 4000$ you owe him.
Blame Rick guitierez for not paying him
Blame Cher( a child) for giving you no other option but to cyber bully here with a video and subsequent 200 comment rampage against her. And Mike you need to look up cyber bullying you clearly don't know the definition

 

[Jay Sommers Reptiles]

I was friends with her for over a year Jay previous to this all Jay. She went off about me.


Your right you didn't go posting a thread about me instead you asked me to post it on you.

Ramy put himself in this mess after you asked him to ban me. Ramy still has yet to reply to my email about the ban. Says a lot right there.

Now, I would consider it a hypocrisy if he allows you at the show. You should be banned for dealing illegal animals out from under your booth. I'm sure after fish and game read those messages there presence at these shows will be much stronger. Couldn't imagine if you were caught at the show by them what type of media that would bring. "Reptile shows now a black market for illegal species" where vendors sell them out from under their tables.

You can make it seem like you never brought the axolotl to the show but you clearly did in the messages. Even offered to ship them to me.

You are trying to play the "innocent" card. You were caught Jay. You have irritated before and I still held those messages back. Now, with you getting me banned from the show and then ruining a friendship with Bob you can deal with this messages in the public eye.

Ok Mike they are in the public eye. Glad you showed me not to mess with you. I am so sorry. I should have kept my mouth shut. I am an idiot. I can't believe I would be so stupid as to risk my reputation over a 14 year old girls safety.
Mike if I was an escaped convict and I saw a person in trouble and I knew helping them would lead to me getting caught i would help them.
Now I think I am done unless something needs to be addressed that hasn't been already.

 

[Snake-Queen]

I quit reading at post #62

Mike, haha is an indication of a joke & you can't provide proof that you bought axlotls from Jay in Ca; even if you did, you would be just as guilty.

Agent could mean any government agency.
Oh my! Jay made an off colored joke about fellatio … I've heard so many jokes about it, some even directed at me, that it means very little, but then I have pretty thick skin.

Mike, this just looks petty on your part & does nothing to help your reputation. One step forward, two steps back.

There was so much missing from those messages & they were out of sequence, it's hard to make sense of them.


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[BeauBoi]

I was removed for "cyber bullying" which is a joke...

This is what is wrong with you. Cyber-Bullying isn't a joke. Your inability to accept responsibility for your actions will be your fall.
~BeauBoi

 

[Jay Sommers Reptiles]

I quit reading at post #62

Mike, haha is an indication of a joke & you can't provide proof that you bought axlotls from Jay in Ca; even if you did, you would be just as guilty.

Agent could mean any government agency.
Oh my! Jay made an off colored joke about fellatio … I've heard so many jokes about it, some even directed at me, that it means very little, but then I have pretty thick skin.

Mike, this just looks petty on your part & does nothing to help your reputation. One step forward, two steps back.

There was so much missing from those messages & they were out of sequence, it's hard to make sense of them.


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You forgot the part about how I had the gall to consult with a fellow herper in his time of trouble and need. You left out how mike came to me and asked for help with his frogs. And I took time to do what I could to help.
theres a reason mike came to me for help. I know what I am doing and I know what I'm talking about. I didn't mock him, call him names, call him a noob. That's actually what mike does.
It's people like mike who have made people like me not want to help others in this hobby.
Everytime someone tries to get close to me or ask me for help I have to worry about if they are setting me up somehow to get themselves a leg up.
Mike is so looney. In one post he admits I have an amazing collection . In another he mocks my facility and says he's never seen pics. Well I guess if mike matson hasn't seen it ... It doesn't exist. I do not under any circumstances ever show pics of my facilities. Never. And I never will. I don't show pics of most of my collection either. They are my business. I don't show off. I am private. Also I want my animals locations unknown. Less than five people know where they are. And two are employees. Sorry that's such an issue for you mike. You aren't important enough to be in a need to know position.

 

[jrsexotics]

I'm going to see if I have pics somewhere of the animals now. Then you will all run out of excuses to back Jay. :

If this was anyone else you would have crucified them at this point. That is way more screen shot evidence than would be needed to prove he sold them to me. It's because it's me you are being resilient. Don't worry it's obvious.

I have that old phone of mine still with the pictures from that time. Let's see if I can find them when I get back in town.

I quit reading at post #62

Mike, haha is an indication of a joke & you can't provide proof that you bought axlotls from Jay in Ca; even if you did, you would be just as guilty.

Agent could mean any government agency.
Oh my! Jay made an off colored joke about fellatio … I've heard so many jokes about it, some even directed at me, that it means very little, but then I have pretty thick skin.

Mike, this just looks petty on your part & does nothing to help your reputation. One step forward, two steps back.

There was so much missing from those messages & they were out of sequence, it's hard to make sense of them.


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[jrsexotics]

This is what is wrong with you. Cyber-Bullying isn't a joke. Your inability to accept responsibility for your actions will be your fall.
~BeauBoi

Examples of cyberbullying include mean text messages or emails, rumors sent by email or posted on social networking sites, and embarrassing pictures, videos, websites, or fake profiles.

In response to chers libel comments made on my business repeatedly after pm's asking her what her issue is and her being disproven and was asked to stop. She still continued and said she didn't care if a proof video was posted.

I'm sorry/not sorry I have a strong social media following and many of those individuals dislike her. Especially, since she is all over Facebook commenting and bashing people. She has been banned from more pages than can be counted.


Now Jay's post of creating a fake profile to view my page would be a form of stalking.

However, I don't care. Stalk me all you want. This thread is about JAY SOMMERS and his transactions. Stop trying to deflect it

 

[jrsexotics]

I have rarely used the term newb.

Jay you are ignoring the part where you tell me to not ask around or mention the frog issues and rana virus but you will bash me when it comes to Yusuke and say I've never had a problem with his frogs. Hmmm pretty sure you wanted me to hide the issue which with your guidance I did. I was very new to the frog scene at that time.

I still have more screen shots Jay. I told you that you may want this to let rest. Most likely I'll find the axolotl pics on my old phone as I don't delete much. Those pics will have a date when it was taken.

As far as your facility. No one has seen pics of it. I do know you visit a lot of actual large scale producers places where I run into you at. Such as Sandfire. You took it upon yourself to ruin my relationship with Bob from what you tell me which is a shame. I did things for bob without charge and helped whenever he needed it. That's what a friend is. Sure hope you can offer the same hand to him regardless of how long you have known him

You forgot the part about how I had the gall to consult with a fellow herper in his time of trouble and need. You left out how mike came to me and asked for help with his frogs. And I took time to do what I could to help.
theres a reason mike came to me for help. I know what I am doing and I know what I'm talking about. I didn't mock him, call him names, call him a noob. That's actually what mike does.
It's people like mike who have made people like me not want to help others in this hobby.
Everytime someone tries to get close to me or ask me for help I have to worry about if they are setting me up somehow to get themselves a leg up.
Mike is so looney. In one post he admits I have an amazing collection . In another he mocks my facility and says he's never seen pics. Well I guess if mike matson hasn't seen it ... It doesn't exist. I do not under any circumstances ever show pics of my facilities. Never. And I never will. I don't show pics of most of my collection either. They are my business. I don't show off. I am private. Also I want my animals locations unknown. Less than five people know where they are. And two are employees. Sorry that's such an issue for you mike. You aren't important enough to be in a need to know position.

 

[LauraB]

My advice, since you asked, would be for all parties involved to break it off now and start fresh with each other. Preferably "away" from each other. Instead of continuing to bait each other, move on and live your lives. Enjoy the fruits of better efforts.

Yeah, what he said, from another of your threads, not this one. And yes, I will repeat myself here.

"My gawd, if the 3,4,5,6, etc of you would step back and come back clear headed, you would see the total immaturity, idiotic chest-thumping and lack of respectability and professionalism you are ALL exhibiting. The same grade school, egotistic stuff the rest of us see. Not only is this crap pathetic at this point, it is laughable.

Take it back to Farcebook. Puleeze."

 

[Snake-Queen]

I'm going to see if I have pics somewhere of the animals now. Then you will all run out of excuses to back Jay. :

If this was anyone else you would have crucified them at this point. That is way more screen shot evidence than would be needed to prove he sold them to me. It's because it's me you are being resilient. Don't worry it's obvious.

I have that old phone of mine still with the pictures from that time. Let's see if I can find them when I get back in town.

At this point, I'm not sticking up for anyone. I asked for proof that you bought the axlotls from Jay at the show ... a picture of the critters isn't exactly proof, but it is helpful. A receipt would be better.

All 3 of y'all are sounding like a broken record, the same stuff has been posted over and over. Jay is just as guilty of this as you are, none of you know when to stop typing and leave well enough alone.

 

[Black Adder]

Actually all I see here is yet ANOTHER 3 way chest beating, ego speaking farcebook drama unfolding.
TBH it is getting difficult to even look at the BOI these days as it appears to be the same old same old every other thread.
Different aspects maybe but that is about it.
And no, this is not intended as a slight against any of the three main protagonaists but honestly just HOW many BOI threads do we really need from you guys?

Hate to do it but going to...two things I dislike

1/ going to quote myself from way back
2/ going to say told you so.....

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