Bad Guy Tommy T Radix, not cool

[Snake-Queen]

The OP seems to have gotten confused on what she said.

She offered the babies to Tom.
The loose agreement from what I've read is she will get a male of a different type and some other kind when they are born. She only wanted 4 out of the 14, which would leave 10 to Tom.

Lucille, I've attached where Tom offered to send her shipping money and she declined.

 

[TOMMYTRADIX]

scott left exactly one year ago. this is his first season gone. i got a few adults from him last june and july was the last message i received from him. his price list reflected last years pricing and he was the only one selling pugets last year. $500 was for a gravid adult female. babies go for considerably less.
i have not sent her anything. i cant message her and she cant be reached by either number. it just rings.

 

[TOMMYTRADIX]

The OP seems to have gotten confused on what she said.

She offered the babies to Tom.
The loose agreement from what I've read is she will get a male of a different type and some other kind when they are born. She only wanted 4 out of the 14, which would leave 10 to Tom.

Lucille, I've attached where Tom offered to send her shipping money and she declined.

thank you.
im still scratching my head as to why she would blow up and just cut all communication before any deal was done then post this a few days later. its all just strange to me lol and where is she now?.......

 

[TOMMYTRADIX]

The OP seems to have gotten confused on what she said.

She offered the babies to Tom.
The loose agreement from what I've read is she will get a male of a different type and some other kind when they are born. She only wanted 4 out of the 14, which would leave 10 to Tom.

Lucille, I've attached where Tom offered to send her shipping money and she declined.

if you look on page 4 of this thread you will see a screenshot where i said i will pay her and she said not to worry about it just trade her cool snakes. i dont see where i was pressuring her and/or demanding snakes like she had claimed in the op. i was very helpful to her even after a few previous times where she emailed me or commented on one of my posts having me hold stuff for weeks only to back out later on.

 

[snakesareawesome]

Nancy, may I make a suggestion that you simply tell Tommy what you expect in return for the snakes you sent and negotiate? I feel this probably could have been resolved with clearer communication of what you expect/want done.

 

[Dro B]

Nancy, may I make a suggestion that you simply tell Tommy what you expect in return for the snakes you sent and negotiate? I feel this probably could have been resolved with clearer communication of what you expect/want done.

I agree this is a simple breakdown in communication and if I read correctly he never said she "owed" him 4 more? He said I thought you were sending 4 more. Her reaction seemed a bit weird to me. Tommy, I think what would set you "right" here is to give her what is fair, many sellers take the stance "now that you started a thread I don't owe you anything" and those are people I avoid just as much as the true "bad guys" especially when there good reason for the other party to be angry. I don't see that here, if you did right by her the fallout would fall on her. You've been more than upfront here and I beleive this post will show you did the right thing to any people who see it, so post proof you've squared things with her. I haven't seen any point where you've been "angry" as she puts it, I'd still buy from you even after seeing this thread even now when the situation in unresolved as it seems you fully intended and still seem fully intend on giving her something fair in exchange.

 

[TOMMYTRADIX]

In this particular transaction, there seems to be nothing specific traded for all those babies, meaning that it is not in fact a binding agreement.

Tommy. I asked you about the payment you offered. I did not see it. Could you please point it out? Or did you make that part up?




i made all this up haha can you please not acuse me of being a liar? every word that was exchanged through messenger is there. i posted it cause she probably didnt want to get caught in her lies and stories of me being this aweful person who takes advantage of people.

i gave away more snakes for free this year than most people own (27). i have no problem giving her snakes i said i would give but when she had that episode then blocked all contact how would you expect me to hold up my end? she sent half so i was going to send half. i seen nothing wrong with her wanting to keep more after the fact but dont expect me to pay for 10 snakes when i received 6. its so crazy that she didnt want to come to an agreement and rather try to throw dirt on me. people who know me know the truth about what kind of person i am. when she is ready she can contact me and get what is owed. i will not entertain this thread no longer
thank you

 

[TOMMYTRADIX]

I agree this is a simple breakdown in communication and if I read correctly he never said she "owed" him 4 more? He said I thought you were sending 4 more. Her reaction seemed a bit weird to me. Tommy, I think what would set you "right" here is to give her what is fair, many sellers take the stance "now that you started a thread I don't owe you anything" and those are people I avoid just as much as the true "bad guys" especially when there good reason for the other party to be angry. I don't see that here, if you did right by her the fallout would fall on her. You've been more than upfront here and I beleive this post will show you did the right thing to any people who see it, so post proof you've squared things with her. I haven't seen any point where you've been "angry" as she puts it, I'd still buy from you even after seeing this thread even now when the situation in unresolved as it seems you fully intended and still seem fully intend on giving her something fair in exchange.

yes i still intend on squaring things up. i have snakes set aside for this purpose. she cut all communication with me so im not going to send snakes to sit in limbo and never know if they made it there. once she comes out of her shell and responds to this thread i will offer extra than what was planned and erase her from my life. i tried to stay on topic in the messages but she seemed more worried about other things that were not relevant to the trade. i am a nice person so i entertained her off topic conversations and even answered all of her questions in detail and walked her through what to do for the babies over the phone. she seemed like she was a good person with good intenstions but then a switched got flipped and this is the result. sorry for wasting everyones time on this. im sure you guys would rather be cleaning poop or poopy water haha

 

[TOMMYTRADIX]

i dont get mad ever but this has me a lil irrriatated. i never heard of anyone send stuff first on a trade then say they are done and bam theyre gone....lol

 

[Snake-Queen]

Nancy, where are you?

Looks like another hit and run BG thread, with no clear BG; the OP isn't looking so good here tho. Nothing she claimed Tommy did, happened. He did not demand the remaining 4 snakes, he said "I thought you were sending 4 more."

Her response was off the charts weird/paranoid & vague about what she wanted for the 6 babies already sent.

Nancy, how do you expect to get the snake or money for the babies if you refuse to communicate with Tommy? He cannot just send snakes willynilly if he doesn't know you'll be there to receive them. How woolly he know what you want if you do not tell him? You are being unreasonable.


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[tlmoon]

It looks to me like the OP got emotional about sending 4 more snakes, and proceeded based on being emotionally upset rather than trying to work things out. She seemed to get quite upset when all of the 6 sent were males - I'm not clear why: feeling bad that Tommy only got males, or that she sent all the males away? When Tommy then mentions the other 4, she kind of flips out about sending more of "her little snakes" away and then posts a bad guy thread.

I don't see that Tommy did anything wrong. I can understand if Nancy started to regret the arrangement, or felt stressed out about shipping the snakes. But to make a bad guy post bashing the guy seems rather unfair, to say the least. Especially without making an attempt to come to another agreement. Maybe I'm just missing something here, but this doesn't seem like very rational behavior...if the OP would post further to clear things up that would probably help.

 

[TOMMYTRADIX]

It looks to me like the OP got emotional about sending 4 more snakes, and proceeded based on being emotionally upset rather than trying to work things out. She seemed to get quite upset when all of the 6 sent were males - I'm not clear why: feeling bad that Tommy only got males, or that she sent all the males away? When Tommy then mentions the other 4, she kind of flips out about sending more of "her little snakes" away and then posts a bad guy thread.

I don't see that Tommy did anything wrong. I can understand if Nancy started to regret the arrangement, or felt stressed out about shipping the snakes. But to make a bad guy post bashing the guy seems rather unfair, to say the least. Especially without making an attempt to come to another agreement. Maybe I'm just missing something here, but this doesn't seem like very rational behavior...if the OP would post further to clear things up that would probably help.

i fully understand how emotional your first litter is. my first litter is still in my collection. all 21 of them so i didnt expect her to send that many but when she said she would i put together a group of babies i had based on the lil info that was provided. she likes concinnus and wanted something special. so i picked a few abberant looking ones from each litter. (i had 5 litters in 2 days) all valued over $150 each. plus was going to let her pick from the next litter but since the trade went from 10 to 6 i was just going to trade concinnus but never got that far. she went off grid lol i see alot of bad guy threads and its usually the "bad guy" who is missing and the op who posts the proof. i feel i have done nothing wrong and proved that by posting the proof for her in hopes i would be able to get a response and get this over with. i dont care if its 6 months from now and i get a email saying she replied. ahe will get what is owed but she has to contact me in order for that to happen. snakes come and go but a good rep in the hobby is a must. i have built a pretty good reputation being straight forward with people and giving as much info as i can on my animals and giving deals to those who are less fortunate. i run 2 contests a year with whatever the newest morph is in my collection at the time. the next one will be for a worlds first morph and i do it so there is always a winner.

 

[Dro B]

i dont get mad ever but this has me a lil irrriatated. i never heard of anyone send stuff first on a trade then say they are done and bam theyre gone....lol

Your attitude about the situation is awesome and quite rare for somebody who has been wronged in this way. Sure she hasn't really hurt you because most people see this but anyone who doesn't bother to read the entire thread may base thier judgement on the title which is the one thing that sucks about the boi. Like I said it really bothers me when some of the honest breeders who have in some way contributed to a problem that results in a boi post even if they did make an effort to right thier wrong take the boi posts as something that gives them the right to say they no longer owe the person who posted it, because it's the same thing scammers do. They make a deal, screw the other person over and use the person calling thier scam as an excuse to act angry and back out aND say they will no longer make good on the deal even though they never intended to. That and "he's threatened legal action so I can't talk about the matter anymore unless through my attorney" knowing the threat of legal action is likely a last ditch bluff and would be too costly. If I ever need garter snakes you'll be the first person I buy from lol.

 

[TOMMYTRADIX]

Your attitude about the situation is awesome and quite rare for somebody who has been wronged in this way. Sure she hasn't really hurt you because most people see this but anyone who doesn't bother to read the entire thread may base thier judgement on the title which is the one thing that sucks about the boi. Like I said it really bothers me when some of the honest breeders who have in some way contributed to a problem that results in a boi post even if they did make an effort to right thier wrong take the boi posts as something that gives them the right to say they no longer owe the person who posted it, because it's the same thing scammers do. They make a deal, screw the other person over and use the person calling thier scam as an excuse to act angry and back out aND say they will no longer make good on the deal even though they never intended to. That and "he's threatened legal action so I can't talk about the matter anymore unless through my attorney" knowing the threat of legal action is likely a last ditch bluff and would be too costly. If I ever need garter snakes you'll be the first person I buy from lol.

thanks.
like i said, she has snakes coming to her. i have 78 babies right now and a lot more on the way. even though i got all males and dont need males i was never upset about it. so i dont understand why she was so upset. i didnt complain and didnt demand more just asked her about the other 4 cause she said 4 more were supposed to come and the chances of those all being male are zero. in my last message i made her an offer on 2 things. the first was to send her equal amount (not value) of concinnus. i was going to do snake for snake since im the ones who needs the deal the most and the concinnus market price is $125-$175 and $45-$95 for pugets. there are a few yellows and a few blues. the blues are worth more to me than the market price and ill sell them for more and told her that. i told her that. the second offer was to send her my adult male breeder on a loan next year because she was planning on breeding a cali red side to a puget which would produce hybrids. (i didnt realize that i didnt mention that to her lol) i offered she pay shipping there and i pay shipping back and we split the litter even steven. you could have said not to any offer then a new offer would be made availible since she had no clue what she wanted and i didnt have much to go on.only knew what i have to offer.

it dosent bother me that this is up here. if people want to buy something from me and are too lazy to read through this they were probably too lazy to do proper research on the husbandry of the garter they want and thats not where i want my snakes to be. i put countless hours into eduacating people and just talking about garters as you can see i didnt avoid her or any of her questions and answered them the best i could. if she wasnt happy with our communications the next person she buys from is in a world of trouble lol most people wont spend hours explaining every single detail there is from birth to breeding and send individual pics of 78 garters lol i recently typed up a 5 page care sheet to send out with every purchase to avoid most questions. sorta like a manual for garters haha anyway ill keep check back for her reply. not sure why she dosent want what is owed since she posted this for attention. im actually glad she did this now i can get some clarity on what the hell she wants. lol

 

[Qwerty3159]

I purchased a snake from Tommy in December of last year. He was not arrogant, was very pleasant, and seemed happy to deal with me and did not seem "greed motivated." He could have easily taken advantage of my newbie status, but this is not the kind of person I believe Tommy to be and he did no such thing. It would have been really easy for him to do so, too. But he didn't.
I don't see where any of the accusations about him being unpleasant stem from, as from what I can see the OP was the one up in arms.
The OP did state that it was a very busy time for her. Perhaps she let stress from other parts of life get the best of her in this situation, but I don't think that justifies immediately calling Mr. Hamilton greedy and unpleasant.

Long story short, I am a very satisfied customer of Tommy T. Radix and if I wanted one of his for-sale animals, I would certainly make another purchase from him without hesitation. I suppose its always nice to prove what you've said, so I attached a screenshot from the day I received the snake and posted about it on a garter snake forum and a picture of the snake from recently.

 

[AaronBayer]

my $0.02...

I cant tell whether or not Tommy is owed 4 more snakes... kind of a grey area in my opinion, but it should be obvious to anyone that not only has he done nothing wrong, but he has provided nothing but great customer service and been very kind/patient with Nancy... I would have lost my mind dealing with all of that off-topic nonsense.

 

[TOMMYTRADIX]

I purchased a snake from Tommy in December of last year. He was not arrogant, was very pleasant, and seemed happy to deal with me and did not seem "greed motivated." He could have easily taken advantage of my newbie status, but this is not the kind of person I believe Tommy to be and he did no such thing. It would have been really easy for him to do so, too. But he didn't.
I don't see where any of the accusations about him being unpleasant stem from, as from what I can see the OP was the one up in arms.
The OP did state that it was a very busy time for her. Perhaps she let stress from other parts of life get the best of her in this situation, but I don't think that justifies immediately calling Mr. Hamilton greedy and unpleasant.

Long story short, I am a very satisfied customer of Tommy T. Radix and if I wanted one of his for-sale animals, I would certainly make another purchase from him without hesitation. I suppose its always nice to prove what you've said, so I attached a screenshot from the day I received the snake and posted about it on a garter snake forum and a picture of the snake from recently.

thanks for the update. she is looking very healthy and her red has really came in nicely.

 

[TOMMYTRADIX]

my $0.02...

I cant tell whether or not Tommy is owed 4 more snakes... kind of a grey area in my opinion, but it should be obvious to anyone that not only has he done nothing wrong, but he has provided nothing but great customer service and been very kind/patient with Nancy... I would have lost my mind dealing with all of that off-topic nonsense.

im owed nothing. it would have been nice to get a female though. it was a loose agreement and she agreed to more than she was emotionally ready to give up. i simply asked about the other 4 and she lost it. she is owed 6 concinnus as i understand it. im in the same boat as everyone else and have no clue where i went wrong to upset her to that extent.


not many things bother me to the point where i would be any less patient or nice to anyone. unpleasant people are easily killed with kindness. they want things to escalate into an argument. dont give them that option.

 

[RyanT]

She sounds like an inept hick living in her own little bubble (by choice). Very typical of her neck o' the Pennsylvania woods. You (Tom) were much more patient than I would have been, I have no tolerance for imbeciles.

 

[senusenu]

I snooped at her post history for giggles and saw several posts of her crying about being a "pet only" buyer and asking sellers to lower their prices. Just because you don't intend to breed (which could be a fib as a ploy for cheaper stock) doesn't change the value of the animal to the seller.

I read through the whole message postings and that woman would absolutely exhaust me with her rambling and neediness.

I don't think Tommy is a bad guy here, he seems extremely even-tempered about the entire ordeal and wants to still uphold his end of the bargain. That's a lot more than many sellers would offer after having a bad guy posted about them.

Honestly, I'm simply baffled about what it is that set her off. Perhaps she decided she'd rather have the cash cow of baby snakes? I don't get it.