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Bad Guy SCAMMER!!! Jay Mcnight / Jason Ciconne/ Franklin Chams Chams/SCAMMER

zeppelin3k said:
The pics are completely irrelevant.
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No, you are wrong. Craig said he didn't have pictures of the animals.
However, he said in one text that some of the pictures weren't of the exact animals.

ElexisOrtiz said:
Also I know myself and probably a few others would not send sick animals back to be put right back in a cage and sold to someone else. If the story about the money order is true then the charge backs I think are acceptable in my opinion because he would have MORE than what Craig paid for the animals that were actually sent for 8 more that didn't show. And now that I have caught that lie thanks to the photos posted about the email and the email itself (which the full texts PROVE Craig lied about sending pictures in the first place, probably why he won't post them all himself) I now doubt he has no clue about the 8 other chams. Why 2 boxes? The second box is claimed to be empty. Really wish they would have done an unboxing video as that would have proved that charge too

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Two boxes?
Was this referred to in that long video?

Jay really needs to comply and send photo ID proving his legal name. I'd rather hear from Jay, he can type up his spoken words on the video so that it is on fauna forever, not on YouTube that can be deleted.
 
zeppelin3k said:
Regardless where it's ethical to ship the sick animals back it should have been done. When youre dealing with this amount of money you either ship them back, keep them and maybe work a deal out for a discount or leave it as is. You CAN'T have the animals and the money. Not all were presumably suck. And we all know damn well he's going to be selong these damn soon. That's more than a double dip!

Craig you're wasting your time here bud. Make some phone calls if you want to see your cash. I would have a long time ago.
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Actually Jay did ask for $400 back for the sick ones, that would have been a reasonable resolution since he paid $950 yet Craig said "my terms not yours" Craig was not willing to work it out other than send all back for a full refund yet he is hear lying about the photos he sent in black and white, why would Jay feel he could trust someone who is not being completely honest with the reptile community now?

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Snake-Queen said:
No, you are wrong. Craig said he didn't have pictures of the animals.
However, he said in one text that some of the pictures weren't of the exact animals.



Two boxes?
Was this referred to in that long video?

Jay really needs to comply and send photo ID proving his legal name. I'd rather hear from Jay, he can type up his spoken words on the video so that it is on fauna forever, not on YouTube that can be deleted.
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Yes. And in the texts Craig refuses to post.

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Mods can you bring a post back to life for me. What I'm looking for is in there. It will really help me with elexis and Lucille.
Tamatave Panther chameleons from June this year. It's all there. I think I made 2 separate post because one was a young adult and the others were youngsters.
 
Craig Wyatt said:
Mods can you bring a post back to life for me. What I'm looking for is in there. It will really help me with elexis and Lucille.
Tamatave Panther chameleons from June this year. It's all there. I think I made 2 separate post because one was a young adult and the others were youngsters.
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Post all the texts from start to finish if you have nothing to hide. If you do not, you prove what I have been saying.

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Also in the video Jay elaborates where phone conversations took place which would explain the gap and info between them so I see why they did a video but it really needs to be here permanent

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Craig, post all the texts between you and Jay, regardless if they show you in a bad light. It will go a long way to showing you have nothing to hide. Edit only the profanity if any. Picking & choosing which ones to show is not doing you any favors.
 
Snake-Queen said:
No, you are wrong. Craig said he didn't have pictures of the animals.
However, he said in one text that some of the pictures weren't of the exact animals.



Two boxes?
Was this referred to in that long video?

Jay really needs to comply and send photo ID proving his legal name. I'd rather hear from Jay, he can type up his spoken words on the video so that it is on fauna forever, not on YouTube that can be deleted.
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In one of the texts it says "you like that tape job? I didn't have a big enough box and made sure that FedEx could not get those BOXES apart"

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So far the 3 pictures that I have just posted are exact animals that he recieved. NO QUESTION!!
If a mod can help me out I'll show you another one. So far that's 3 out of the 4 tamataves.
I do not believe he is complaining about the 4 ambilobis. Just the tamataves.
 
Craig Wyatt said:
So far the 3 pictures that I have just posted are exact animals that he recieved. NO QUESTION!!
If a mod can help me out I'll show you another one. So far that's 3 out of the 4 tamataves.
I do not believe he is complaining about the 4 ambilobis. Just the tamataves.
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Are you evading the text requests?

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Wait wait, let me guess, you conveniently lost them? You already said they could be "faked" as an evasion of what they actually said.

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ElexisOrtiz said:
In one of the texts it says "you like that tape job? I didn't have a big enough box and made sure that FedEx could not get those BOXES apart"

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I didn't have one single box that could fit all 8 in comfortably. I wasn't just going to cram them all together to save on shipping so I used 2 boxes.
And yes there was lots of tape involved. I made damn sure that they could not be separated. The only way they could have been separated was if someone did it themselves.
Something wrong with doing that??
 
Craig Wyatt said:
I didn't have one single box that could fit all 8 in comfortably. I wasn't just going to cram them all together to save on shipping so I used 2 boxes.
And yes there was lots of tape involved. I made damn sure that they could not be separated. The only way they could have been separated was if someone did it themselves.
Something wrong with doing that??
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You have time to post this but not the texts?

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Craig Wyatt said:
I didn't have one single box that could fit all 8 in comfortably. I wasn't just going to cram them all together to save on shipping so I used 2 boxes.
And yes there was lots of tape involved. I made damn sure that they could not be separated. The only way they could have been separated was if someone did it themselves.
Something wrong with doing that??
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I was about to suggest this was the reason for 2 boxes. 8 chams is a lot to stuff in a small box if you don't have larger boxes.

I can see this as being a reason to use 2 boxes. Taped together it would be as if he sent one bigger box tho.
 
Craig Wyatt said:
I didn't have one single box that could fit all 8 in comfortably. I wasn't just going to cram them all together to save on shipping so I used 2 boxes.
And yes there was lots of tape involved. I made damn sure that they could not be separated. The only way they could have been separated was if someone did it themselves.
Something wrong with doing that??
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Also it does add weight to his claim that he should have received 8 more. and if you knew how well you taped that box, and that he was picking them up at the hub, and he sends you a text saying I have them theyre good why would you assume he had gotten threw all that tale, inspected the animals, and tell you they were all healthy within 5 minutes of opening the box, at the hub.

When he texts saying you better explain why they have mbd is after he got home and finally got into the box.

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Snake-Queen said:
I was about to suggest this was the reason for 2 boxes. 8 chams is a lot to stuff in a small box if you don't have larger boxes.

I can see this as being a reason to use 2 boxes. Taped together it would be as if he sent one bigger box tho.
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Bang!! Atleast you understood it. What was so hard about that is beyond me.
 
Snake-Queen said:
I was about to suggest this was the reason for 2 boxes. 8 chams is a lot to stuff in a small box if you don't have larger boxes.

I can see this as being a reason to use 2 boxes. Taped together it would be as if he sent one bigger box tho.
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or a convenient way to scam someone ......
 
Snake-Queen said:
I was about to suggest this was the reason for 2 boxes. 8 chams is a lot to stuff in a small box if you don't have larger boxes.

I can see this as being a reason to use 2 boxes. Taped together it would be as if he sent one bigger box tho.
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Or he could have had 2 boxes big enough to ship all the animals (including the 8 Jay claims he didnt get) and assumes we will think the boxes he had were very small. I'd like to know the dimensions of the boxes he used.

After catching his lie I really don't trust his word. Not to mention he seems to be flat out refusing to post the texts
 
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