Reptster.com experience with show sponsorship not good

[houdini1]

If he sends you the address, let me know. I have a few boxes here he can have back. I don't want him to accuse me of stealing them like he did with Jamie.

Will do Steve!

I have yet to hear anything back though. I have been checking regularly and nothing.

 

[LakesideBoas]

I have yet to hear anything back though. I have been checking regularly and nothing.

Seems to the a habit of theirs.

 

[Southern Wolf]

Honesty doesn't come in degrees. Just because he may have been honest about 1 thing and dishonest about another doesn't mean we overlook the dishonest part.

OK , I want you follow me here for a sec.....

You see a snake you want. You contact the seller and both agree on the price. You pay for the snake and shipping. Seller agrees to said ship date you decide on. Seller never ships and your left hanging. Weeks go by with no calls answered and no response to e-mails.

You bring it here in a BOI post. Your expecting support and help but instead you have folks that just see the deal as a misunderstanding. For the life of you you can't see why these people don't understand that your money was stolen. Instead of giving you the support and help that you want , these people start talking about how your trying to destroy his business over a misunderstanding.

Now , if that really happened to you , would you see the deal as a misunderstanding? Your money was stolen so would you really see it as trying to destroy his business?

Kelly wasn't ripped off in an animal deal but she had an agreement with David that was to put money in the coffers for her show for a service she offered to provide based on a scaled fee. From the dates of the e-mail , Kelly advertised Reptster for 2 months ( I believe I read that right ), ultimately for free since David opted to not pay.

Now , the above story is make believe but the circumstances would be considered theft.

Kelly's story is real and non-pay for the services rendered is still theft.

How hard is this to understand that she isn't trying to destroy Reptster anymore than anyone else with a legitimate complaint that comes here?

Folks can call it what they want but I don't see anyone crying when we ( the members ) choose to not deal with a seller that stiffed , screwed over or just totally bombed a deal and acted just as unprofessional. Why should our actions be any different or come into question just because its Reptster?

There are 4 complaints against David now. Two of those complaints are for services rendered that David has not paid. Where is the misunderstanding?

Whether it is services rendered or property... it is still theft.

It would be like you hire me to cut your grass... then when Im done dont pay me. I provided a service... you stiffed me on payment.

It really is that simple

 

[Southern Wolf]

Kelly and Matt,

Thank you for answering those questions. It was not easy for me to ask them but I felt they needed to be asked.

According to a phone conversation with David tonight, those questions are exactly what he said happened. He agreed to the $250 package. He said you kept pestering him repeatedly to upgrade to the $750 package to the point it finally pissed him off and that he just plain did not want to deal with you anymore.

I did tell David that if his version of what went down is the truth that I can understand why he backed out. No one likes to be constantly pressured/pestered into buying anything. On a personal note, I find it rude and unprofessional.

Now with that being said, either you (Kelly) or David are flat out lying about how things went down because your versions are complete opposites. And since I was not there, did not hear the phone conversations and my crystal ball is broken I cant say who is telling the truth and who aint by those emails alone.

I did tell David that regardless of why he backed out, his email/phone call should have said something like, "Sorry but I am no longer interested in promoting your show. Here is XXX amount of dollars to cover any expenses and time you have already invested on Reptsters behalf. I wish you and your show the best of luck".

That would have been the proper way to handle it in my opinion. I personally dont care about which package was agreed to or even why David backed out. He had every right to back out for any reasons he saw fit. But David also had an obligation to make sure their Reptster expenses were covered when he did back out. That is the only place I see David being in the wrong on this one.

Here is something for you to think about....

Kelly has answered EVERY question sent her way... She has posted all supporting documentation relating to her case.

David hasnt done shiznit... other than posting fake emails from celebs... he hasnt answered any question. The only contact he has had is with you, and Kathy Love. As far as I can see... he was trying to use Kathy's name to get sympathy and use her for damage control.

Why would you still support David?

Kelly please dont take the the wrong way... I mean no harm.

Kelly is a nobody.... David owns Reptster. He is hoping that is enough to get him thru this. But quite frankly... it doesnt wash with me.

I am a small business man.... and the last thing I want is for my name to get trashed... so I will do everything I can to keep that from happening. Now con men dont care... they will just start up a new con when they cant use the old one anymore. If someone called me out on the BOI... it wouldnt matter if I didnt like the BOI... the only thing to think about is trying to clear my name... especially if Im innocent of the charges.

Currently in this thread there are 4 accusations (sp?) against David by different people. Whethere you like the BOI or not... that is alot against you. Personally I would like to see each one of these people start their own thread so a pattern can be set.

I USED to be a client of RIPster.... but after the way he acted here... not anymore.

I dont need my name or my business name associated with someone like that. If you stand beside a pile of crap long enough... eventually you will smell like crap also.

 

[Beardiepal]

All I can say is this....

Many of you do not know me. But I am a friend of Kelly's and Matt's for quite some time now. We have the commonality of being reptile lovers...me, bearded dragons, and she extended her friendship to me without anything expected in return. I have to say that there are the good guys out there that are respectful and appreciate you as an individual, and a business person as well. I have had 3 translucents shipped to me in the past, after I sent payment...maybe dumb on my part but it was a really good feeling that there could still be this type comraderie and trust that could still be present in this crazy world we live in. The breeder needed the money...I didn't have room and he held them for me for 2 weeks. He could have just screwed me. I have shipped dubias in the past and payment was sent later, just because they would not get their pay until later. Maybe naive of me too but not one did not pay me. I sent a beautiful dragon to a friend of mine on RZ and she is going to pay me the first of the month. (I have never met her in person or the breeder I got the translucents from). Oftentimes the first contact you have with someone is by pming them on these forums...then a phone conversation....I never thought I needed a contract or proof of something that we verbally agreed upon.
With this being said, Kelly & Matt would never ever make something up like this. Just as Dale has said in a past post to this thread, Kelly was telling me about the ups & downs of putting on a reptile show, and Repster came up from our phone conversation a few weeks ago. I know how frustrated she has been, but she at that point even recommmended repster to me for my shipping at the time of these conversations. She offered to sell some of my bearded dragons at her show for me, and I was saying how in the world could I afford to ship 20 babies. Repster was her response. This is when I signed up at Repster and bought boxes from them. This is how I shipped the dragon to my friend on RZ. This tells me she believed that Repster could help me out with my shipping expenses regardless of what was going on with she & David on her business level. This shows me she tried to keep the "good faith" attitude for quite a while now.
This has been unfortunate for Kelly & Matt and I really hate that this has grown into what it has. I frequent the forums and feel I have made many friends...and I have never met them....I would never expect that an agreement made with one of them would be dishonored or handled so poorly. With this being said, I don't want Repster ruined over this, but I even moreso want Kelly & Matt's show to be a HUGE success.
I am a hobbyist breeder, I don't breed on the large scale that many of you do.
I don't know much about the business aspect, I just make an agreement verbally, and then ship... Take care all, Beth

 

[Beardiepal]

Sorry

My name is Beth Hensley

 

[BryonsBoas]

Originally Posted by big daddy's wholesal View Post
Don't read more into the question then is there. I was hoping a price would be quoted and then David can decide whether or not he owes it. I was just trying to see if the two sides could come to some kind of an agreement. The question was posed to kelly because only she knows how much time and money she has done. Therefore she should put the price on her actions. I see some people hoping this can be resolved and I am in that boat.
Allen Belcher 706-615-4772

they are idiots I was trying to get a price from them and was going to pay it for you. Good luck with these idiots. Allen Belcher 706-615-4772

Dude. Really. I went back and reread the Pms you sent me. With all the claims that things were cleaned up at Big Daddy's and your posts here about being " In the boat for a resolution ". You pull this.

When I reread the PMs and saw your posts here , I opted to step out of the box and give you the benefit of the doubt. Just once tho , one shot was all you were going to get. And now I find that one shot wasted.

The buildings and animals may be cleaner , but the owner still chooses to utilize the shady side and show the two faces he's been famous for once again. Trust is something that has to be built. You have the ability to give a glimmer of a possibility that your claims may be true , only to go and cut your nose off to spite your face.

I did notice you didn't seem offended when I responded to your PM that I still considered you a scumbag since I had seen nothing to prove any different. Your post from David's profile page only reinforces what I thought before I gave you that one shot.You couldn't even get past two posts without proving what I thought correct. GOOD JOB!!!

Maybe when Terry comes back , you and him could be the new Jedi Twins. Chuck could stand a new target.

So we have ....

1 seller left the holding the bag on a deal David set up.
1 or more customer complaints that they have been overcharged.
Multiple clueless ones that just can't see the forest for the trees.
2 promoters with claims of Non-payment for services rendered.
Billing & credit card info not protected.
2 scumbags on the Reptster bandwagon.
A pretty complete breakdown in communication with anyone that David owes money to.

All this and more from a self proclaimed Tech Weanie that can't even prove his side without lying , popping smoke , insulting the masses who just happen to be his bread and butter or advertising his services.

Did I miss anything?

 

[shrap]

Here is something for you to think about....

Kelly has answered EVERY question sent her way... She has posted all supporting documentation relating to her case.

David hasnt done shiznit... other than posting fake emails from celebs... he hasnt answered any question. The only contact he has had is with you, and Kathy Love. As far as I can see... he was trying to use Kathy's name to get sympathy and use her for damage control.

Why would you still support David?

Here is something for you to think about....

You need to re-read my posts or develop better reading comprehension skills.

 

[GottaLuvHerps]

Kelly please dont take the the wrong way... I mean no harm.

Kelly is a nobody.... David owns Reptster. He is hoping that is enough to get him thru this. But quite frankly... it doesnt wash with me.

Kevin, I did not take that anyway but the truth. I have said it many times over to people - we ARE nobody's in this industry when it comes down to it. We came out of the woodwork and kind of exploded with a new breeding business, and then a new show. The only thing I have to support who I am is the relationships I have with people I have known on forums over the years. So no offense taken, you just speak the truth.

Kelly

 

[Southern Wolf]

Harald,
I did not take offense to you asking, it was a valid point.
My offer still stands to anyone who does want to see the originals though.

Kelly

Just a thought... send them to the Mod that verified the headers of the last batch. If its ok with Him.... I cant remember who... that was many pages and posts back.

 

[GottaLuvHerps]

If Dennis is willing, I will send them to him. I will let him respond first to this so that I do not just go bombarding his email address again. I just want his agreement to this first. Dennis asked for the other emails to be sent to him originally, I will let him decide if he has the time to verify the others, as I know he is a busy man.

Kelly

 

[Southern Wolf]

Here is something for you to think about....

You need to re-read my posts or develop better reading comprehension skills.

Actually Sammy... I posted that BEFORE I read where you busted Big Daddy and David.

Im man enough to say... Im sorry... I appologize.

 

[shrap]

Actually Sammy... I posted that BEFORE I read where you busted Big Daddy and David.

Im man enough to say... Im sorry... I appologize.

Fair enough, Kev. No offense was taken, just didnt understand where one would think I was supporting anyone or anything other than the truth. The truth is the only side I ever support.

 

[shrap]

.... but I do have to wonder where Allen (AKA Big Daddy) ran off to so fast this morning when I busted him lying. MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[dragonsr#1]

Mr. Haley,
I am going to try to keep this in order.

1. Even if it is Mr. Young’s right to withdraw from this sponsorship he did NOT. Even after this was all posted Mr. Young still as of right now has yet to contact US in any way to “cancel” his sponsorship. Completely ceasing communication is not withdrawing or cancelling a sponsorship.
2. As far as the itemized list, well Mr. Young agreed to pay for a sponsorship level, and this level had a list of thing he would be getting for it, which Kelly has already touched on, so I am not going to waste anyone’s time on this again.
I also want to state that as far as your questions go, I cannot really list anything piece by piece, because we feel that by doing this it would release private and confidential information regarding our other sponsors. I am sorry but I will in no way jeopardize anyone’s information on sponsorship that has completed there part of our agreement. All I will say is that our agreements with our sponsors may vary from sponsor to sponsor, and therefore it cannot be assumed that costs involved for advertising Mr. Young are to affect or have any relationship with our other agreements.
I hope that you all can understand?

I also would like to make a statement about the Mr. Young “backing out”.
Someone goes to a store today and with there credit card buys something, whatever it is, because they have great credit they are able to buy it and take it home. The bill comes in the mail and the someone does not want to pay it, the next month another bill comes in the mail, and again the someone now call in and say “I’m sorry I forgot to pay it, the check is in the mail”, but it never goes into the mail. So what happens next, the credit people starts calling and they get no answers, so they leave messages but does not get any calls back. Luckily for the credit card companies, they can affect that person by reporting the to the bureaus – we are just left holding the bag and trying to make up the $750 that was promised to us, or just cancelling out activities we wanted to do with that money. Granted, we have our “bureau” in the BOI, and posting this has brought out the true nature of Mr. Young, he has been affected by this greatly, but it still does not, in the end, resolve the matter for US. This is in no way meant to disrespect the BOI, this thread, or anything that has been accomplished by posting this, just a simple statement of FINANCIAL reality for us and our deal with Mr. Young.

We sold Mr. Young a service, yes we started our end of the agreement before receiving funds, part of this was because we needed to show Mr. Young that we are reputable people (in our minds), the other part of this is that we sold Mr. Young this service and started the service on his creditability. Mr. Young failed in his part in pay or to try to make any resolution on this.

Other then that the credit card company would be looking at a history of the “someone’s” finances, what is really different in the deal we made with Mr. Young? Granted, we never had signed, official terms of agreement (which we have already stated many times was a naïve mistake), but in today’s world, a verbal agreement, matched with the emails Mr. Young returned saying he would pay the $750 stated, are a binding contract.

 

[Southern Wolf]

I will say this much.... I have seen some of his ads elsewhere.. and had considered about purchasing... but I normally go by my gut feelings. I did not purchase at the time.... now I see why

 

[shrap]

Matt,

I really dont know what else you expect the BOI to do. The BOI is based purely on peer pressure. If a party involved dont care what his peers think then the BOI can only be so effective in helping resolve the issue. At that point the BOI can only help others make an informed decision on how/if they do business with the parties involved in the future.

I do have to ask this question though, does anyone think any show promoter who has read this thread is ever going to advertise for David without getting full payment up front?

At this point your only real option is small claims court.

 

[Southern Wolf]

Sammy... and that is the same reason I asked the others with claims to make their own thread. That way a pattern could be made. Most folks dont want to read thru 600+ posts to see that there are actually 4 different claims being made against one individual or company.

 

[dragonsr#1]

Matt,

I really dont know what else you expect the BOI to do. The BOI is based purely on peer pressure. If a party involved dont care what his peers think then the BOI can only be so effective in helping resolve the issue. At that point the BOI can only help others make an informed decision on how/if they do business with the parties involved in the future.

I do have to ask this question though, does anyone think any show promoter who has read this thread is ever going to advertise for David without getting full payment up front?

At this point your only real option is small claims court.

Sammy,
I guess my post was taken a bit wrong. We are NOT expecting the BOI to do anything other than the wonderful job it has done in showing Mr. Young's true colors as a business man. We honestly did not expect Mr. Young to contact us no matter what we did, and we just planned around the big bag he left us hanging with. Our main goal WAS to expose him for who he was so that no one else got taken by him the way we did, and we are glad that it happened. I guess my wording was easily taken the wrong way, and for that I apologize.
Matthew

 

[Dennis Hultman]

If Dennis is willing, I will send them to him. I will let him respond first to this so that I do not just go bombarding his email address again. I just want his agreement to this first. Dennis asked for the other emails to be sent to him originally, I will let him decide if he has the time to verify the others, as I know he is a busy man.

Kelly

Looking to see if a email was actually sent is far different than verifying content. Short of logging into your email account itself, I'm unaware of how I could verify such. I wouldn't really want to put someone in such a position either.