Reptster.com experience with show sponsorship not good

[Mooing Tricycle]

Go back and read from post 1, to post 1016 ( this post, duur) and then continue on.

LOL WHY'D YOU PEOPLE GO AND MESS UP MY POST BY POSTING SO SOON!?

Ignore the number, as its now incorrect.

 

[Mooing Tricycle]

Truly, it is SOOOOOOOOOOO easy to get FedEx certified. You could almost do it in your sleep. Seriously.

And since this thread started two weeks ago, heck, if someone was on the ball and was just thinking, HEY, I'd like to have OPTIONS (not necessarily throwing Reptster under the truck just yet), they could've started the process then and be done, or darned near close. And then they'd have OPTIONS. Just a thought.

LOL im considering re doing the whole process, and sending in my test box. I got lazy and just stopped with the whole process. I should do it now, and then post in this thread when i get my box back and my approved status. HRM!

 

[homegrownherps]

Cat, shipping SNAKES via UPS is illegal, because they will NOT accept a package that is marked to contain a snake, and shipping a package that is NOT marked with the species name is a violation of the Lacey Act. They will not accept and ship a legally marked package. This isn't debateable, it's the truth. The fact that hundreds of people are violating the law does not mean it's ok.

I may be wrong but, It didnt seem like he was reffering to the Lacy Act.

 

[Mooing Tricycle]

I may be wrong but, It didnt seem like he was reffering to the Lacy Act.

Thats what the lacey act is about. You have to mark the box, for it to be "legally shipped", and UPS "wont accept it if it IS legally marked" because they dont accept snakes in their TOS. Its not illegal to use UPS as the company, just against their TOS. But if im understanding it correctly, it IS Illegal to ship an unmarked box with a live animal inside. * i find this to be true in some cases, and false in others, UPS turns a blind eye to some* according to the lacey act. ( But i wonder, and i will go back and read the lacey act now, if it solely means USPS when something is being shipped, or if private companies are also included, which would make a MASSIVE difference in the stance that "its completely illegal")

 

[Mooing Tricycle]

Thats what the lacey act is about. You have to mark the box, for it to be "legally shipped", and UPS "wont accept it if it IS legally marked" because they dont accept snakes in their TOS. But if im understanding it correctly, it IS Illegal to ship an unmarked box with a live animal inside. * i find this to be true in some cases, and false in others, UPS turns a blind eye to some* according to the lacey act. ( But i wonder, and i will go back and read the lacey act now, if it solely means USPS when something is being shipped, or if private companies are also included, which would make a MASSIVE difference in the stance that "its completely illegal")

EDIT
Its not illegal to use UPS as the company, just against their TOS.
* i find this to be true in some cases, and false in others, UPS turns a blind eye to some*
But if im understanding it correctly, it IS Illegal to ship an unmarked box with a live animal inside, according to the lacey act.

 

[WingedWolf]

Again, anyone want to summarize it all? 204 pages now. I've been trying to follow this, honestly, but it's pretty difficult to find the information. I'm not the sort of person who can't be proven wrong. *shrug* I admit I'm about ready to give up on trying to explain my point of view here, and just go back to watching until the guy is either hung out to dry, or everyone kisses and makes up--that's the usual way things go in these threads.

I don't know who, if anyone, is lying. Everyone else is sure. That makes them a lot more psychic than I am. I don't know any of these people personally.

Now again, for the folks defending UPS as a legal means of shipping snakes:
The Lacey Act is not a company policy. It is also not 'only the Lacey Act, which can be violated if we think it's convenient to lie to UPS'. It is ILLEGAL not to mark that your package contains a live animal, and what species it is. It does not matter if you use USPS, UPS, Fed Ex, or whatever. NOT MARKING THE PACKAGE CORRECTLY IS ILLEGAL.
Not just a little tiny bit illegal, but big time illegal.

Read for yourself: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/16/3371.html

If you cannot use UPS or DHL without failing to label what is in your box, then you cannot use them legally.

 

[ForkedTung]

"The simple rule"

Donna,

to, it was still Fed Ex's error that caused the problem, and getting ahold of one's rep hasn't been something everyone's been able to do so easily in the past. Problems happen. This isn't about the safety of the animals. This isn't about whether or not Reptster's service is 'worth it', and that was my entire point in posting. It's about KELLY'S ISSUE. It's about promotional funding that was offered and then never sent.

The rest of this has nothing to do with it.

Sticky: Rules for Posting on the BOI <-- REQUIRED READING!! (updated 01/21/07)
WebSlave

Please utilize the SEARCH function as much as possible before starting a new thread (topic line). In many instances, it is much better to continue an existing thread rather than starting a new one in order to preserve continuity in the information about a person or business. Most readers are much more inclined to read a single long thread, rather than dozens of smaller ones scattered all over the BOI. So don't let your message get lost in the clutter by ignoring this simple rule.

Donna, did you read the part about :it is much better to continue an existing thread rather than starting a new one in order to preserve continuity in the information about a person or business.
Here it is again:it is much better to continue an existing thread rather than starting a new one in order to preserve continuity in the information about a person or business.
and again:it is much better to continue an existing thread rather than starting a new one in order to preserve continuity in the information about a person or business.
Also how could it NOT be about " the safety of the animals"?
Yes, the problem originated with FedEX, but it was Repster's responsiblity to at least attempt to correct it. As far as I know that DID NOT happen. Why don't I know? because after calling David and then as per his instructions calling him AGAIN, To this date I have NOT had any reply whatsover in any form acknowledging the situation. NO COMMUNICATION WHATSOVER...
Again, The only reason that I believe I was able to resolve this situation was because I could PROVE to the people at FedEx that I was already FedEx certified to ship Live Harmless Reptiles. The only thing Repster did was take my money and waste my time!

 

[homegrownherps]

you said;

shipping SNAKES via UPS is illegal, because they will NOT accept a package that is marked to contain a snake

I understand fully about the Lacey myself (I have been shipping reptiles a few years myself).

Shipping snakes via UPS in not illeagal ...it's just company policy, They (UPS) will not ship snakes.

 

[Mooing Tricycle]

Again, anyone want to summarize it all? 204 pages now. I've been trying to follow this, honestly, but it's pretty difficult to find the information.

Nope. You need to read it like the rest of people. Why are you so lazy?
The facts have been presented. If the thread had been read, one would see these stated facts and take them into consideration.

 

[WingedWolf]

ForkedTongue, that is a legitimate problem, but possibly an isolated one--the zillions of similar problems that were resolved quickly in the past may demonstrate previous rather than current practices. I'm certainly not particularly encouraged that Mr. Young is proving to be a great businessman at this point. Maybe it IS all becoming too much for him to handle. If there is a huge backlog of growing problems now, that certainly suggests he has reached a point where he can't keep up with them to resolve them--particularly since he had a history of taking care of things in the past.

 

[dsirkle]

I understood what you meant, but it was just repeated what had been said multiple times.

You really feel that it is appropriate to give me negative karma for posting what you consider to be previously stated information while you are out here calling people "insane", "dense", and stating that they must have a "mental disability" simply because they have an opinion that differs from yours?

 

[jayefbe]

Again, anyone want to summarize it all? 204 pages now. I've been trying to follow this, honestly, but it's pretty difficult to find the information. I'm not the sort of person who can't be proven wrong. *shrug* I admit I'm about ready to give up on trying to explain my point of view here, and just go back to watching until the guy is either hung out to dry, or everyone kisses and makes up--that's the usual way things go in these threads.

I don't know who, if anyone, is lying. Everyone else is sure. That makes them a lot more psychic than I am. I don't know any of these people personally.

Now again, for the folks defending UPS as a legal means of shipping snakes:
The Lacey Act is not a company policy. It is also not 'only the Lacey Act, which can be violated if we think it's convenient to lie to UPS'. It is ILLEGAL not to mark that your package contains a live animal, and what species it is. It does not matter if you use USPS, UPS, Fed Ex, or whatever. NOT MARKING THE PACKAGE CORRECTLY IS ILLEGAL.
Not just a little tiny bit illegal, but big time illegal.

Read for yourself: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/16/3371.html

If you cannot use UPS or DHL without failing to label what is in your box, then you cannot use them legally.

We've BEEN summarizing it for you, but you continue to respond with, "where has that been proven, yadda yadda yadda". It's not our job to fill you in on every little detail, you're welcome to read every post like we have, and then give your steadily declining in value 2 cents.

In short, while it may take a little bit of trust to believe Kelly since some of the disagreement involves verbal communications, she has not once shown to lie, hide the truth, or stretch the truth in one single instance in all 1000+ posts in this thread. She is an admirable person, and judging by her commitment to honesty seen in this thread, I'd trust with my unborn first male child.

David has lied repeatedly, a fact that has been proven and substantiated with more than enough evidence.

If you read the threads, you will see that both statements are true.

So, after 1000+ posts, Kelly has been devoted to telling the truth and no a single person with half a mind could say otherwise (you are the exception, are you not?). David has lied and then hauled ass to his reptster sanctuary hidden in the mountainside. On top of that, new issues concerning David's business practices have been brought up and verified.

Now that it has been summarized and simplified to the simplest terms possible while still remaining completely truthful, do you understand?

 

[Mooing Tricycle]

You really feel that it is appropriate to give me negative karma for posting what you consider to be previously stated information while you are out here calling people "insane", "dense", and stating that they must have a "mental disability" simply because they have an opinion that differs from yours?

Take it to PM or HELL This Forum is NOT for complaints about Karma.

 

[jayefbe]

You really feel that it is appropriate to give me negative karma for posting what you consider to be previously stated information while you are out here calling people "insane", "dense", and stating that they must have a "mental disability" simply because they have an opinion that differs from yours?

I assume you've already responded with your own negative karma hit, so I guess call it even at this point. Heck, I'll even give you a positive one.

 

[jglass38]

I can sum up the last couple of pages.

1. Tosha and Donna live in an alternate reality where facts are meaningless and the only thing that matters is the droning and irrelevant drivel that comes from them via their keyboards.

2. Steven Kelley was asked multiple times to provide an answer to a simple question and refused. Asked and not answered, Steven.

3. David Young is still a reprehensible scumbag in my eyes and many others. Not just for his deadbeat antics but for his holier than thou attitude and ridicule of the people who have supported him. David, wake up and see the horse crap that you are trying to peddle. Is the house of cards coming down?

4. Some people here actually "get it". For the others, there will be no convincing them.

5. Kelly still hasn't been paid what she is owed. $750 that was agreed upon by David Young. Best of luck Kelly in getting what you deserve.

Did I miss anything?

 

[jglass38]

see should have been smell.

 

[Southern Wolf]

No, it's NOT 'all about the bottom line'. Again, I'm not yet personally convinced David did something ethically wrong,

Did I read that right.... .you dont think Mr. Young did anything wrong.

How about con Kelly into advertising for two months with the promise of payment...(she supplied the emails and they were verified as legit)... then he dropped all communications and refused to send payment.

How is that not... something ethically wrong

How about con Repticon into advertising for him... and finally paying 3 mos later AFTER if was brought up here... and he actually said in one of his only 2 or 3 posts that he DIDNT owe Repticon anything.... If you dont owe anything... then why pay after the fact was made.

How is that not... something ethically wrong

If you truly believe this... then that tells me alot about your character as well.

Those 2 instances alone have proven a pattern with promoters.... and maybe 3 mos down the road Kelly will get paid something... but Im not gonna hold my breath.

I believe it was you that stated you had 2 BP's left and would continue to use RIPster so you dont loose a sale. (If it was not you that said this... then I appologize). That is fine... if you agree with his practices and want to use his services... go for it.

I will admit that I was being lazy... and since I had RIPster available I wasnt in any hurry to get certified myself. (I did however take the first step and get my account number at the first of this year... I just didnt get the rest of it done)...

I know I hold myslef to a higher standard (probably along the lines of Kelly and a few others here as well, that I suspect from their responses) and because of the way Mr. Young and his PR dude have handled themselves here I choose NOT to do business with them because I dont want to be associated with someone that has such a lower overall ethics. Because of this I am now sitting on 39 snakes (not just 2) until I can get my certification complete. The only market I didnt pull my ads in was with the AR Herp Society... and I made a note that I would hand deliver to anyone in the state for the same shipping amount.

How can I put this... If you stand next to a pile of crap long enough.... eventually you too will smell like crap.

Why would you want to put yourself or your business name thru this.

 

[GottaLuvHerps]

Until then, she's a freak of nature in her adherence to the truth and ability to withstand illogical arguments like yours.

Josh, you have no idea This comes from having 5 children, ages 15 down to 9 months, and seeing it ALL. It also comes from a very strong faith in God, and a belief that we just should not lie, plain and simple, says so all over this great book I like to read (sorry to add in the religious thing, but it IS a huge part of who I am).
That, and as I said before, I would have to be clinically insane to come to the BOI without absolute proof of my statements and be 150% sure of everything I am saying. It would be like going on Maury swearing I know who my babydaddy is, but yet sleeping with 10 guys at the same time and still wanting a DNA test...I always say, I'm crazy, but NOT stupid.

She is an admirable person, and judging by her commitment to honesty seen in this thread, I'd trust with my unborn first male child.

Really man, the offer is appreciated, but as I said, I have 5 kids. LOL

Wait, I can't mention my kids. It's an excuse for wanting money. I forgot

PS - I DO know who my babydaddy is. Just for clarification

Maybe it IS all becoming too much for him to handle. If there is a huge backlog of growing problems now, that certainly suggests he has reached a point where he can't keep up with them to resolve them--particularly since he had a history of taking care of things in the past.

Donna, he may have been taking care of problems before, and it MIGHT be too much for him to handle, but he certainly can go to his shows advertising his business by putting temporary tattoos all over children and claiming that "even kids like Reptster" (quoting Mr. Kelley who forgets that ALL kids like ALL temp tattoos and they don't care WHAT they say), but that does NOT excuse him from taking care of his issues that he DOES have. Business is simply about how you treat your customers, and if you have unsatisfied customers, you need to treat them like they mean everything to you. This includes EVERYONE you promise something to (me, Repticon, Mr. Sanders, anyone who has ever shipped through him and had a problem...get the point?)

Seriously, like Alicia said, go read the whole thread from page 1, and THEN make up your mind. Don't sit there on the sidelines and pretend like you have a clue what you are talking about when you have ADMITTED to not reading the whole thread. It is not fair to all of us to have to sit here and watch you spout off this uninformed opinion and expect us to respect it. Inform yourself first, then talk. Isn't that what Harald's old signature line said in not so many words? John (Suncoast) even has it on his signature now. Read that while you are at it.

You keep saying I have not proven myself...what proof do YOU need? (well, you and Tosha really)...and I ask you AGAIN, how long does Mr. Young have until you will decide that he is not doing the right thing? What sort of timeline does it take for you (and Tosha) before enough is enough? He's had damn near 2 weeks now, and hasn't done squat.

 

[Mooing Tricycle]

The fact of the matter is, David said he sent a check. He didnt. If that amount was NOT accurate as to what kelly wanted... SHE WOULD HAVE SAID SO, and either refused the check, or contacted david about it no doubt.

 

[Seamus Haley]

ForkedTongue, that is a legitimate problem, but possibly an isolated one--the zillions of similar problems that were resolved quickly in the past may demonstrate previous rather than current practices.

"Zillions"?

I'd like to see evidence of even say... half a zillion.

So far I have read about one problem of this nature occuring, where a package was refused based on an ill informed FedEx employee at the local drop point, and David did nothing to correct it. Giving him a 100% history of failure to do the appropriate thing, leaving all the effort and risk in the hands of his customer (who would inevitabally have a more difficult time since they are not the account holder and cannot provide proof of the live animal shipping permission associated with the account they were shipping through). Or, if you like baseball metaphors, he's got a .000 average.