Bad Guy Deans Reptiles

[critical bill]

My condolences, Ashley ... particularly in light of the IBD. How hideous to have to now worry about that! I sincerely hope none of your beloved collection will be affected.

Absolutely.

 

[SakaraGT4]

thank you for the well wishes guys... If it's going to affect the collection I should know soon.... Pythons are the first to go so if they start dying then I'll know... If everyone is fine by New Years then hopefully I am in the clear with them

 

[critical bill]

I am PRAYING it was an isolated incident as far as my snakes are concerned... I may be able to list a price I paid and market value on these snakes, but to me, they are priceless They are all part of my family and I love them all

I see you have several ads going in which you are selling and also inquiring about purchasing.

With the IBD being confirmed.....do you think it would be a good thing to stop selling and not add anything new to your collection for a while?

 

[SakaraGT4]

oh yes... I completely agree, lol... My snake house is on lock-down for now... nothing in and nothing out... It sucks, for sure... lol... There are a lot of animals I would like to have right now, lol...

But as of now, none in or out

 

[critical bill]

oh yes... I completely agree, lol... My snake house is on lock-down for now... nothing in and nothing out... It sucks, for sure... lol... There are a lot of animals I would like to have right now, lol...

But as of now, none in or out

Yeah but you just sold one just a few days ago.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showpost.php?p=816075&postcount=5

On the 13th you posted that the snake died and you would be posting an update to state whether it was something serious or not (which you did today). Obviously you thought it could be something serious - like IBD, and it was, so why are moving animals out during that time?

 

[SakaraGT4]

the snake was sold to a friend and it is still here... has not gone anywhere yet... I still have all 10 babies... so no, that person will not be paying for it and it will not leave.

 

[critical bill]

the snake was sold to a friend and it is still here... has not gone anywhere yet... I still have all 10 babies... so no, that person will not be paying for it and it will not leave.

Oh come on...that sounds too convenient and like a total load of BS. I was born at night but it wast last night.

On the 16th you "bizz" bumped the thread because you claimed you had another female ready to drop.

That is in spite of the fact that you had a genuine concern it could be something serious as you clearly stated on the 13th.

You fears were confirmed. You thought it could be serious and it was.

So why were you pushing animals out during that time?

 

[SakaraGT4]

at the time I thought it could be something bad, but I honestly never expected to hear the letters IBD... I had posted the situation on another forum and asked if anyone had ever had an animal with these symptoms and what were the causes... I got responses about other neurological issues that are NOT IDB as well as a couple ppl that said they had snakes that had cancer or tumors and would bite themselves in an attempt to get whatever was hurting them away.

I was devastated when I heard IBD... The snake never even exhibited IBD type symptoms... Even until the time that he passed away, he could still completely right himself if flipped over, climb up himself if I held him by the tail and as I said, he never showed any signs of IBD... I have been told that IBD tests can show false positives if a snake has other neurological issues or something... But as I said in my paragraph, the only true way to know is, unfortunately, if my other snakes start dying.

As I stated, all the animals are here and are not leaving. Does it suck? yes... But I'm not going to sell possibly sick animals to people. Especially with the babies possibly having IBD. At least I am honest and will not let any of them go.

 

[critical bill]

the only true way to know is, unfortunately, if my other snakes start dying.

I don't know this to be a fact.

I believe I read it somewhere on here that breeders who have had a case of IBD will randomly select animals to be euthanized and tested. Something to the effect that the test are more conclusive if the animal is freshly dead at the time of exam.

Can anyone else with more experience add to this?

 

[reticguy76]

first and foremost, my deepest sympathies to you guys and your snakes. ibd is a delicate and tricky "disease". i have to be honest, with the uncertainty and still much unknown about ibd, i would ask for not only, the biopsy report (assuming it was observed by a reptile/amphibian pathologist, who has diagnosed ibd prior), i would also ask for a microscopic picture of the ibd cells identified.
it sounds horrible, but chuck is right, the best way to properly identify this cell is as freshly dead as possible. i can say, if ibd was suspected in my collection, and especially diagnosed, i would select one of my least "favorite" pythons (since your first choice is boas), and have it euthanized and tested. there is no 100 percent definates with ibd, except if/when diagnosed by a properly qualified pathologist. if another snake tests postive, you have a real bad problem on your hands. however, a negative pathology reading does not mean that snake is negative. positive is positive, but negative doesnt necessarily mean negative. ibd sucks and there is still a whole lot needed to be researched and learned about this terrible disease

 

[lanceheads]

Ashley,
Your Vet, comfirmed IBD?


Randal Berry

 

[lanceheads]

Ashley,
Your Vet, comfirmed IBD?


Randal Berry

*confirmed

 

[SakaraGT4]

he said that it tested positive for it. i know you need to get a snake in within 24-48 hours of it dying for the tests to be correct. I got the snake in within 12 hours of death but I don't know when they actually cut him open. I took him in early Friday afternoon and they JUST called me back yesterday -_- I do have a normal ball python that is just the nastiest thing alive. she is not handleable, I have tried to work with her but she just hates everything and everyone. if I'd have to pick least favorites, unfortunetly it would be her but I guess if it could potentially shed light on if my entire collection is safe or not, then I have to do what I have to do I'll call the vet today and see how quick I could get it done. I almost want to wait till Monday only because the last time I took the bcl in I had to wait over the weekend when they told me it would be next day -_-

 

[lanceheads]

Who was the Vet? And can you post the results?
Thanks!

Randal Berry

 

[SakaraGT4]

westgate pet and bird hospital in Austin. I'm hoping the can fax it to me today. I'd not I won't be able to get to Austin until Monday

 

[DAND]

So james, how many animals did you unload at the show and who were the unsuspecting victims who now have troubles on their hands? What about all your friends who you "gave" your remaining animals to? Have you contacted them and let them know? Like I said before, friends like you, who needs enemies?

 

[reptilemike]

WOW james bayles aka james dean is at it again this guy called me all the time asking what to do i told him time in and time out to not buy or sell any animals for adleast 6 months to a year and after he has his animals tested, so what does he do email me off craigslist on some animals i posted asking me if i want to do a trade deal with him since he did not realize it was me . um no i dont think so he can keep his poss IBD animals i want nothing to do with this clown ! i tried giving him good advice but he does not listen he truly is like talking to a brick wall he does not listen. people please be aware he is still peddling off his crap to unexpecting people. Mike Schofield

 

[SakaraGT4]

Mike... since you have previous experience... did he have any snakes with issues prior to this? and any IBD issues?

 

[reptilemike]

as fare as i know he did not but he buys and trades so many animals i could not tell you . usually he does not have a animal long enough to tell if it has any issues he will come into a show and do 5or6 trades and move 10 animals through out the shows, so most of those animals are good since he would only have for a half hour or so until he traded for something else . i have never seen his home care or private animals if he has any . every animal he has bought from me for a subcalled private animal ends up sold or traded in a week or two. i specifically told him not to buy or sell any animals which he claimed to understand and not do , but then he emails me tonight to do a trade even giving me his # which i already have. not smart on his part .

 

[SakaraGT4]

Thanks for the info Mike