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Bad Guy Nicole Norton/Howlinn gale dragons,Bad guy very bad guy.

HowlinGaleDragons said:
I was only considering it because I am tired of Ed's Drama But I can't bring myself to consider sending Prince to Ed anymore; I also did thinking on the fact all the dragons from Ed where sick I would be risking bringing something into my colony I Quarantine but you never know.
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So, earlier in the day you considered using this very dragon as a trade item, but suddenly became so attached you could no longer do so. And, you worried about disease safety. Yet in the other thread, it was mentioned that someone allegedly say you carrying around this very dragon at the Buffalo show where there might be all kinds of germs brought in.

I agree with DAND above, that the welfare of these animals does not appear to be at the top of the list.

If you want to go to the Hell forum and get down and sling around your dirty laundry.....better yet, just keep it to yourselves. Nicole you said farewells yesterday bowing out of 'the drama' but you keep on returning for more. Just let it go.

Why not do what is best for the critters then go your separate ways?
 
lucille said:
Why not do what is best for the critters then go your separate ways?
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Actually, why not do what is best for the critters and leave the business / hobby altogether sounds like better advice. With the misrepresentation of animals and the obvious disregard of the animals as being nothing more than dollar signs with tails the two of you have shown us all, leaving would best for all parties and critters involved. :wavey:
 
DAND,
Actually Ed did that agianst what I wanted I told him I wanted the dragons shipped Directly to me from KP but he didn't listen I got "Oh they will be fine" When I got the babies they where ok a little stressed but he hand picked the babies he wanted out of the clutch when they wheren't his to do that with I was suppose to get the whole group He still wanted me to pay him for ALL the babies even the ones HE kept for himself I had to fight with him to get him to drop his BS on paying for the ones he kept I paid him for the dragons that actually made it to me.
 
HowlinGaleDragons said:
DAND,
Actually Ed did that agianst what I wanted I told him I wanted the dragons shipped Directly to me from KP but he didn't listen I got "Oh they will be fine" When I got the babies they where ok a little stressed but he hand picked the babies he wanted out of the clutch when they wheren't his to do that with I was suppose to get the whole group He still wanted me to pay him for ALL the babies even the ones HE kept for himself I had to fight with him to get him to drop his BS on paying for the ones he kept I paid him for the dragons that actually made it to me.
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Did you and Ed vend the show in Buffalo together?
 
Oh and I will never get out dragons and no The dragon I had at the show was NOT the dragon in question it was a totally different animal Prince is Yellow my breeder I took there was RED his names Frazzle. I also had my big female Lily there because both Frazzle and Lily are easy to handle and the kids could touch them (after they used germ killer).

Actually my dragons are not money to me they are my kids and they will stay that way I have several local breeders that will tell you my dragons get care above and beyond and that I make sure each and everyone is handled and cared for properly.

I have unsubscribed from this BOI as I am not the Bad Guy and this is another Ed Clark attempt to Divert attention elsewhere to save his face.
 
And before I go Reptile Jay has been to my house and seen my dragons and how I care for them he brought a friend of his over to buy a dragon.
 
DAND said:
Then why the hell did he ship the dragons if he was going to be there anyhow? That has got to be the most idiotic thing I have ever heard. :notallthe
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Oh Dave... This IS the famous ED CLARK we are talking about... Only so much is to be expected when it comes to common sense, regard for animal welfare, general intellect... Etc...
 
HowlinGaleDragons said:
The dragon I had at the show was NOT the dragon in question it was a totally different animal Prince is Yellow my breeder I took there was RED his names Frazzle..
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ReptileJay said:
I did see Nicole at the Buffalo show carrying around the dragon in question, and the way she was acting regarding him indicated to me that it was a gift recently received
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Hmmmmm......
 
This is an airbill for a group of sub/young adult leopard geckos Nicole made a deal with me to pay at a later date. I had no problems waiting to be paid for a short time period.

the total agreed upon was $550.00 plus shipping for 1 male Enigma double het and 3 female morphs. at a later date ! added 5 additional females to her group to insure she had good success with producing babies.

they grew and produced many eggs and she did so so raising up the babies to saleable size. she sold them to local pet shops and online. I wondered why I was not getting paid as she was making money on them.

She contacts me then tells me they are too much work so she is dumping then on any pet shop that will give her anything for them.I tell her to ship them back to me as she still owes me for them. of course I get stuck with another shipping bill.

The leos arrive 2 adults in good condition and 4 non feeding babies with skinny tails that are on deaths door. she did tell me the babies are not feeding.

I allow her a $250.00 credit on these.

She owes $300.00 on this deal plus the $30.00 shipping to her on the very first shipment for a total of $330.00 owed.

I tried to give her a help suppling her with breeding stock that she could pay for at a later date, she did not appreciate the help from me as she never paid for anything. her temper is her downfall.
 
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1:00 pm, Nicole is reading.... She sure can't keep away.

I for one do not believe that he GAVE her the animal. Her behavior is NOT one of a woman given something and then having it taken back. None of her emails bear her accusation out.
 
I see alot of back and forth between you two, but why bring all of this up now? Didn't you try to resolve this amongst eachother first?

I don't think any of this is very professional, to say the least... I am in a quarrel with my previous "better half" where I too am owed money and there are reptiles involved...

BUT I never posted a Bad Guy thread about it simply because it will catch alot of unnecessary attention.

This seems like a pissing match on who's the wrong-er versus the wrong-ee. It would make more sense if this was more on the business aspect, but in this situation, I see quite a bit of personal interference.

Good luck to both of you.
 
Ah so you want to bring up the sick dieing Leos you sent me? You never sold them to me you never charged me anything you told me you had too many Leos and you thought I would enjoy a change of pace so I gave it a shot.

There was no agreement of any type to money on this and you know it.

Are you unable to sell dragons is that why you are trying to lie about money? This truly blows my mind.


The enigma male arrived to me with a Rat tail it took over a month to get him in decent weight

2 of the Three Females died in the first weak they also had rat tails one had a very nasty eye infection every morning I would have to clean her eyes and give her Terramycin. Neither of them would eat for me.

Oh Ed your forgot to tell them you sent me an Albino and a Super Snow both of which where so skinny and rat tailed they died quicker than the rest the Snow made it 2 days the Albino 4.

OH! Also don't forget the Pacman frog you sent that came in with horribly swollon legs and promptly died. Then you replace it with a Pyxie frog who you brought in person and had its intestines hanging out its butt; I was able to rehydrate the frog she is doing well now. You also brought a second Pyxie with you to the show and had it on display no one bought and when you brought it back here it also had it's intestines hanging out (Keep in mind I do no know frogs I did not know anything was wrong with the frog he took to the show or it would NOT have been on my table, he gave me my frog an hour before he left I was setting a cage up for it when I saw the intestines hanging out) . I hope to god none of the dragons you sold at that show died on people because I will be beyond mad if it comes down on my name locally.
 
No I needed to respond to this one just so everyone knows what truly happened I will have no part of his pot shots at me like calling me Ugly...lord a 5 year old sais that.
 
HowlinGaleDragons said:
No I needed to respond to this one just so everyone knows what truly happened I will have no part of his pot shots at me like calling me Ugly...lord a 5 year old sais that.
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I have to respond to this as a "girl"...

He obviously didn't/doesn't think you're ugly. He just wants to piss you off.

And I would like to correct you, my 4yr old tells me I'm ugly all the time... So it's 4 and not 5 :D
 
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