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Info Just got this from SYR

MagickalMorphs said:
If they want to lose their franchise.

But that is IF it's legit in the first place.
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Shadera, I am not so sure that the reprocussion would be that severe. As a previous franchise owner, not of a shipping company of course, they do give you some leeway to make your own decisions about a lot of things. Personally, I would think that its in the best interest for a franchise store NOT to refuse packages as thats how they get paid but, I am sure that they are fully capable of refusing packages they feel are suspect.
 
StrictlyExotics said:
For those of you that are FedEX verified, and havent used SYR or never planned to, thats great for you guys. Just remember though, having another option is always a good thing. I would HATE for there only to be one option in anything I do, only because I am against monopolization.

SYR, if legit, was a positive thing for the reptile industry. Its sad to think that, if legit, a couple of lousy people may have taken this option away from us, the consumer.
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I agree and disagree with the above. Having another option IS a good thing... but not if someone else controls that other option... ie Reptster or SYR. Now Im not trying to say the two are the same, DY was a con artist... and I dont believe Robyn is... He hasnt gotten the good rep he has now for being a con artist.

The point Im trying to make... there are those of us that see UPS as a second option ONLY if UPS opens it up to everyone to get certified. IF I was certified with UPS right now.. then it wouldnt matter if some yo yo did something stupid on SYR's account... it wouldnt affect me and my second option.

Until UPS opens it up... then I really only have one shipping option. RIPster went bad... and now SYR's says dont ship snakes. See the bind I would be in IF I put all my faith and my business in someone elses account.

No thanks!
 
Playballp said:
Dean, I completely understand your point of view. Okay let me re-phrase my Q. Before SYR and Before FedEx certification how were you breeders that have been in the biz for many years shipped your animals?
I really want to know how it worked. Like I mentioned, when I first started building my collection most of the snakes got delivered via UPS, and I bought them from very reputable breeders since I was scared of getting scammed. I've only been in the hobby for 3 yrs so I'm not sure how shipping was done before. I know many people dont want to do anything against regulations and etc but this hobby is very old and I just cant see people driving 300 plus miles every time they sell or buy a snake.
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Diego, a lot of my snakes, when I lived in L.A., had to be picked up at the airport by me. A lot of them came Delta Dash. I also remember when working as a reptile buyer in a small pet shop, DHL would bring me tropical fish and reptiles. A lot of times, they were also hand delivered locally from the Southwest region of the country. But, the business was different back then.
 
Playballp said:
Before SYR got started I remember getting a few of my snakes delivered by UPS. I think some one here mentioned that breeders have been doing this for many years now. My question to all of you (sellers and buyers) is:
Will you still consider using UPS to ship or received snakes using you're own account? Yes you wont be getting the nice discount from SYR but you can still have a back-up plan other then FedEx.
IMO, If the shipper is not FedEx certified yet and offers to use UPS (not via SYR) and still guarantees delivery and live arrival I will still buy the snake.
It sucks that many people are not FedEx certified yet and will have to freeze their sales because they are not able to ship.
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I froze my sales and pulled all my ad's when the RIPster fiasco happened. Im not gonna get burned again by trusting in someone elses account.
 
A shipping franchise doesn't work the same as others. If they start picking and choosing what packages they'll accept to get to their final destinations, FedEx loses money. If one guy doesn't wanna accept package A, then they'll boot him and hire guy B who will take it. It's in their financial best interest. But like I said, that hinges on whether the package is legal to ship in the first place through that company.

As far as drivers hyperventilating, that's ridiculous. Drivers get very little choice in what they do. They're contracted to do a job, and do it they have to. I had a company once send me to DC at 3 am in the morning, rough area of town next to a prison where I had to unload my reefer off the street by myself. I told them that as a woman I really didn't feel safe going in there by myself. Know what they told me? That I was going, or that I would be looking for another job. And this is a major carrier that does on occasion haul mail for the big boys.
 
Southern Wolf said:
I agree and disagree with the above. Having another option IS a good thing... but not if someone else controls that other option... ie Reptster or SYR. Now Im not trying to say the two are the same, DY was a con artist... and I dont believe Robyn is... He hasnt gotten the good rep he has now for being a con artist.

The point Im trying to make... there are those of us that see UPS as a second option ONLY if UPS opens it up to everyone to get certified. IF I was certified with UPS right now.. then it wouldnt matter if some yo yo did something stupid on SYR's account... it wouldnt affect me and my second option.

Until UPS opens it up... then I really only have one shipping option. RIPster went bad... and now SYR's says dont ship snakes. See the bind I would be in IF I put all my faith and my business in someone elses account.

No thanks!
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Kevin, dont get me wrong, I totally understand where you are coming from. I had issues when they lost my Albino boa that I sent out. Thats when I realized that UPS would really talk to me because I wasnt a representative of SYR. I immediately stopped speaking to UPS at that point simply because I was worried about the health of my snake and not the politics behind it.

I DO think SYR has a waiver but I dont think that waiver was for the rest of the herp population to use their acct. I have my reasons for this and will wait to see what happens next.
 
StrictlyExotics said:
Kevin, dont get me wrong, I totally understand where you are coming from. I had issues when they lost my Albino boa that I sent out. Thats when I realized that UPS would really talk to me because I wasnt a representative of SYR. I immediately stopped speaking to UPS at that point simply because I was worried about the health of my snake and not the politics behind it.

I DO think SYR has a waiver but I dont think that waiver was for the rest of the herp population to use their acct. I have my reasons for this and will wait to see what happens next.
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I don't think any of us doubt that SYR has a waiver for their own shipping. Our questions are concerning if that waiver covered the rest of the herping population as we were apparently lead to believe.:shrug01:
 
MagickalMorphs said:
A shipping franchise doesn't work the same as others. If they start picking and choosing what packages they'll accept to get to their final destinations, FedEx loses money. If one guy doesn't wanna accept package A, then they'll boot him and hire guy B who will take it. It's in their financial best interest. But like I said, that hinges on whether the package is legal to ship in the first place through that company.
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Its not about hiring someone though. This is about small business owners buying a brand and selling their services through that brand. These small businesses can also, like changing a pr of socks, break their contract and sell someone elses services. Happens all the time, thats why franchise owners are losing tons of money. I actually think I read an article recently that UPS Store franchises were the #1 failing franchise in the USA right now. Second was Starbucks.
 
Sure Dean, you know the ins and outs of the shipping world, just like you know everything else. :rolleyes:

Robyn has posted elsewhere, though it really doesn't give much new info.
 
MagickalMorphs said:
Sure Dean, you know the ins and outs of the shipping world, just like you know everything else. :rolleyes:

Robyn has posted elsewhere, though it really doesn't give much new info.
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Shadera, I dont claim to know everything. In fact, everything posted here is purely speculation. All I am stating is that franchise owners have options, as long as what you do does not affect the brand. You are the one who is making statements that are either factual or not factual, no in-between. My post simply states that as a franchise owner, you have more options than you think.
 
MagickalMorphs said:
A shipping franchise doesn't work the same as others. If they start picking and choosing what packages they'll accept to get to their final destinations, FedEx loses money. If one guy doesn't wanna accept package A, then they'll boot him and hire guy B who will take it. It's in their financial best interest. But like I said, that hinges on whether the package is legal to ship in the first place through that company.

As far as drivers hyperventilating, that's ridiculous. Drivers get very little choice in what they do. They're contracted to do a job, and do it they have to. I had a company once send me to DC at 3 am in the morning, rough area of town next to a prison where I had to unload my reefer off the street by myself. I told them that as a woman I really didn't feel safe going in there by myself. Know what they told me? That I was going, or that I would be looking for another job. And this is a major carrier that does on occasion haul mail for the big boys.
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you're missing my point. shipping snakes via UPS is technically not allowed but it goes on and they really dont care unless an issue arises like a poorly packed item, escape, fearful employee etc. then thet are forced to recite the policy that snakes are a no-no. Dont be such a Literal Larry. My example of the hyperventilating driver is just an animation of how your shipment would get fouled up.
 
bwt501 said:
you're missing my point. shipping snakes via UPS is technically not allowed but it goes on and they really dont care unless an issue arises like a poorly packed item, escape, fearful employee etc. then thet are forced to recite the policy that snakes are a no-no. Dont be such a Literal Larry. My example of the hyperventilating driver is just an animation of how your shipment would get fouled up.
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Odd that you would imply that she missed the point..when she's actually trying to bring you down from the wall that you are bouncing off (heavens...snakes on a plane, hyperventilating, and implications of a mass rebellion by employees!):rofl:
 
Dean and Kevin thanks for your input. I'm sure there's many more people that do not want to come out and say that they did used UPS and FedEx (before certification and SYR) to ship their snakes because they do not want to get flamed for breaking the law, and I understand that.

I completely agree that the best way to get things done is legally. Who doesn't like to be free of worries once they drop off a package or wait for one to be delivered to them.
I also dont like using other people's account. I like to be in full control if anything goes wrong with shipping and I will hope that UPS comes out with a certification of their own sometime in the future.

As far as packages getting held at hubs because a worker is scared of snakes that will happen whether there is a waiver or not, UPS or FedEx. People just dont like snakes, period. That is why our hobby is constantly under attack.
That is the main reason why most FedEx and UPS workers are not aware of this waivers. In reality corporate does not want their employees to know (as dumb as that sounds). They dont want workers to be "scared."
Picture this: FedEx and UPS have a huge announcement and now all workers know they know ship snakes. I can almost guarantee that every single employee working at the Air Docks will take their time looking for this packages and shake them until they hear a hiss or something.
 
MagickalMorphs said:
As far as drivers hyperventilating, that's ridiculous. Drivers get very little choice in what they do. They're contracted to do a job, and do it they have to. I had a company once send me to DC at 3 am in the morning, rough area of town next to a prison where I had to unload my reefer off the street by myself. I told them that as a woman I really didn't feel safe going in there by myself. Know what they told me? That I was going, or that I would be looking for another job. And this is a major carrier that does on occasion haul mail for the big boys.
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Haaaa I can relate. The company I drove for told me I was going to NYC.... when I told them I wasnt.. they gave me the same spiel... I asked where they wanted their truck... cause I wasnt going. Back then... driving jobs were a dime a dozen.. and it wasnt hard to get picked up by another company. I was only down a week.
 
Playballp said:
Dean and Kevin thanks for your input. I'm sure there's many more people that do not want to come out and say that they did used UPS and FedEx (before certification and SYR) to ship their snakes because they do not want to get flamed for breaking the law, and I understand that.

I completely agree that the best way to get things done is legally. Who doesn't like to be free of worries once they drop off a package or wait for one to be delivered to them.
I also dont like using other people's account. I like to be in full control if anything goes wrong with shipping and I will hope that UPS comes out with a certification of their own sometime in the future.

As far as packages getting held at hubs because a worker is scared of snakes that will happen whether there is a waiver or not, UPS or FedEx. People just dont like snakes, period. That is why our hobby is constantly under attack.
That is the main reason why most FedEx and UPS workers are not aware of this waivers. In reality corporate does not want their employees to know (as dumb as that sounds). They dont want workers to be "scared."
Picture this: FedEx and UPS have a huge announcement and now all workers know they know ship snakes. I can almost guarantee that every single employee working at the Air Docks will take their time looking for this packages and shake them until they hear a hiss or something.
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I have my own fedex account and have never used SYR... and Im willing to take a lie detector test if someone doubts me. I have only been shipping for 2 maybe 3 years....

Originally.... I was going to use RIPster... and we all know how that went down. That forced me to get my fedex certs... and that was a good thing.
 
Southern Wolf said:
Haaaa I can relate. The company I drove for told me I was going to NYC.... when I told them I wasnt.. they gave me the same spiel... I asked where they wanted their truck... cause I wasnt going. Back then... driving jobs were a dime a dozen.. and it wasnt hard to get picked up by another company. I was only down a week.
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NYC isnt all that bad. You could have just called me beforehand and i would have laid down some suppression fire to keep the locals at bay while you steamed on through!
 
So, the way I see it, if we label the package truthfully according to the lacey act then we aren't doing anything illegal by shipping snakes via ups or fedex. Against policy yes, but illegal? No.

BIG difference between illegal and against policy.

However, it is illegal to ship snakes via USPS. They're part of the government and got all kinds of laws.
 
Melinda said:
So, the way I see it, if we label the package truthfully according to the lacey act then we aren't doing anything illegal by shipping snakes via ups or fedex. Against policy yes, but illegal? No.

BIG difference between illegal and against policy.

However, it is illegal to ship snakes via USPS. They're part of the government and got all kinds of laws.
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Yep...and this kind of thinking would be a good way to get UPS on the bandwagon to ban snakes too, because they got fed up with so many of us ignoring their policy?:ack2:
 
Perhaps this is why SYR chooses not to post here...

http://www..net//showpost.php?p=413289&postcount=53

Robyn said:
I have windows open on SYR threads on a half dozen forums right now, even more yesterday. I am not lurking and obsessing, they are just open, and I am logged in. Computer is always on, I check them every few hours. The Inquiry Board is not the world's most important gathering place, nor the source for SYR news. Have some perspective. Plus folks are much more reasonable and rationale over here, so there is that
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I have a screenshot as well if the posts end up being edited...
 
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