Bad Guy Jeff and Christina Wise (Wise Reptiles) Stole Money from Benefit Auctions for Maggie

[StrictlyExotics]

Tell him, I mean "them" that they need to cease all crap and return Maggie's money or while I'm talking to their landlord (sweet lady) I might mention that they have snakes and rats in the house. You see they don't allow animals in that little hellhole you live in "Wise Guys". If you think the area you live in now is bad, wait to you find yourselves on the street. Try me, thieves. Were moving forward in many areas.

I am sure that she would just LOVE to hear about all the animals in her rental home. Then again, they could always move in with Mr Hart-less

 

[zzzdanz]

"Received: from sz0120.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.26.182])
by omta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast
id PCRt1e0083vkMeL8UCRts4; Sat, 29 May 2010 00:25:53 +0000"


"emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net"

Would that be CANADA??

I have a e-mail account that is [email protected] That's Canada..I don't know if that one you posted is Canada or California

 

[jim1970]

ip info

this what i found. and this email [email protected] is in goodlettsville tn.
76.96.26.182USUNITED STATES

TENNESSEECHATTANOOGACOMCAST CABLE COMMUNICATIONS INC

These results produced by the
IP2Location™ IP-COUNTRY-REGION-CITY-LATITUDE-LONGITUDE-ISP [DB6] January 2008 Edition Database

 

[DAND]

Attached are the numbers from the Wises pay-pal transactions and where the auctions monies were actually spent.

The lies of needing money for a $700.00 electric bill and the over inflated number used for the trip to Pennsylvania and $251.43 of what was actually spent was done so at 3 different Walmarts.

Then we have purchases like the $238.48 one at Best Buy or a $279.59 Comcast bill.

The many ATM withdrawals totaling $2,602.50 (guess his drug problem was worse then she even let on).

The money was being spent as fast as it was coming in.

Well, by my math the Wises owe Maggie $4,746.62

I have my comcast info... thanks.

I will be passing this on as well to Dand should he want it. He's going to have fun!

E-mail sent.

 

[LauraB]

OMG! That email from the esteemed David N. Hart has got to be one of the funniest things I've read all week! Thanks, Jeff and Christina - that was a real hoot!

I especially love this part:

If you do not cease and desist from harassment, stating malicious lies we will have no recourse then to sue each and everyone of you for defamation of character, harassment, stalking, unlawful gathering, unlawful threats against their lives, homeland security, unlawful claims about their children, each and every claim you people are making are all being documented, and have been told, many are a felony, and are prosecutable, these btw are not civil actions.

Unlawful gathering? LMAO! Homeland security? LMAO! Unlawful threats against their lives? LMAO!

You and everybody on that malicious site are condoning and authorizing and making fraudulent statements, by you assholes putting things in writing are only furthering the lawsuit that Jeff and Christina are gathering information on to sue you with.

Just so's ya know - many could be working quietly but effectively in the background, it would be wise to watch who YOU threaten with your flimsy BS.

Two Words. Bring It.

 

[LauraB]

I must say I'm impressed, Dave - excellent document! I saved it and will happily go over it tomorrow. You've done superlative work, my friend. Too freaking good!

 

[crissabella]

Awesome Job Dave!! You are the man

 

[HyderHouseHerps]

they sure do eat out a lot

 

[wyldwurm]

Wow Dave, that is some great work! Thanks for all your hard work, you're one hell of a guy!

 

[DAND]

Sorry, try this (if anyone wants an Excel version let me know, I couldn't upload it here):

 

[SERPENTS DEN]

Attached are the numbers from the Wises pay-pal transactions and where the auctions monies were actually spent.

The lies of needing money for a $700.00 electric bill and the over inflated number used for the trip to Pennsylvania and $251.43 of what was actually spent was done so at 3 different Walmarts.

Then we have purchases like the $238.48 one at Best Buy or a $279.59 Comcast bill.

The many ATM withdrawals totaling $2,602.50 (guess his drug problem was worse then she even let on).

The money was being spent as fast as it was coming in.

Well, by my math the Wises owe Maggie $4,746.62




E-mail sent.

Great job Dave!!

Here is a copy of the Word doc. for those that don't have that program.





Key Monies from auctions/donations $6,786.62
Maggie Received (1 disputed) $1,600.00
Rick Morro Received $440.00
Debit card ATM withdrawals $2,602.50
Purchase from Best Buy $238.48
Animals / supplies $372.60
Pennsylvania purchases, $469.72 $251.43 at 3 different Walmarts
Comcast $(279.59)


Date Type Name/Email Gross Fees Net amount Donated Received

5/11/2010 Debit card pin purchase Sunoco Flint MI $ (11.98) $ - $ (11.98)

5/10/2010 Debit card pin purchase Meijer Flint MI $ (7.98) $ - $ (7.98)

5/4/2010 Debit card pin purchase Flushing Road Flint MI $ (5.99) $ - $ (5.99)

5/2/2010 Payment From Brad Willoughby $ 25.00 $ (1.03) $ 23.97 $ 23.97

4/20/2010 Payment to Talk Radio Software $ (25.00) $ - $ (25.00)

4/18/2010 Payment From Parkway Citrus Dragons $ 25.00 $ (1.03) $ 23.97 $ 23.97

4/14/2010 Payment From Associated Content $ 1.03 $ - $ 1.03

4/14/2010 Payment From Associated Content $ 0.80 $ - $ 0.80

4/9/2010 Debit card signature purchase Pizza Hut Grand Blanc MI $ (21.20) $ - $ (21.20)

4/9/2010 Debit card ATM withdrawal Flushing Road Flint MI $ (240.00) $ (1.00) $ (241.00)

4/9/2010 Payment From Clint Connor $ 45.00 $ (1.61) $ 43.39 $ 43.39

4/9/2010 Payment for Charles Kimmel $ (800.00) $ - $ (800.00) $ 800.00

4/8/2010 Debit card pin purchase Petsmart Flint MI $ (12.70) $ - $ (12.70)

4/8/2010 Debit card pin purchase Flushing Road Flint MI $ (24.23) $ - $ (24.23)

4/7/2010 Debit card pin purchase Rite Aid Flint MI $ (19.39) $ - $ (19.39)

4/3/2010 Debit card ATM withdrawal Flushing Road Flint MI $ (300.00) $ (1.00) $ (301.00)

4/2/2010 Debit card pin purchase Meijer Flint MI $ (39.29) $ - $ (39.29)

4/2/2010 Debit card ATM withdrawal Flint MI $ (302.50) $ (1.00) $ (303.50)

4/2/2010 Debit card signature purchase McDonalds Flint MI $ (13.86) $ - $ (13.86)

4/2/2010 Debit card signature purchase Famous Dave's Flint MI $ (36.03) $ - $ (36.03)

4/1/2010 Payment From Matthew Jackson $ 150.00 $ (4.65) $ 145.35 $ 145.35

3/31/2010 Payment From Craig Parmley $ 75.00 $ (2.48) $ 72.52 $ 72.52

3/31/2010 Payment From Katie Mrkvicka $1,075.00 $ - $ 1,075.00 $1,075.00

3/31/2010 Payment From April Yohn $ 75.00 $ - $ 75.00 $ 75.00

3/31/2010 Payment From Casey Hulse $ 20.00 $ (0.88) $ 19.12 $ 19.12

3/30/2010 Payment From James Gaukin $ 25.00 $ - $ 25.00 $ 25.00

3/30/2010 Debit card pin purchase Flushing Road Flint MI $ (29.03) $ - $ (29.03)

3/30/2010 Debit card ATM withdrawal Flushing Road Flint MI $ (60.00) $ (1.00) $ (61.00)

3/30/2010 Payment From Michael Masters $ 150.00 $ (4.65) $ 145.35 $ 145.35

3/29/2010 Debit card signature purchase Rite Aid Flint MI $ (11.67) $ - $ (11.67)

3/29/2010 Debit card signature purchase Vista T-mobile $ (10.60) $ - $ (10.60)

3/29/2010 Payment From Jonathan Webb $ 50.00 $ - $ 50.00 $ 50.00

3/29/2010 Payment From Suzanne Anderson $ 80.00 $ - $ 80.00 $ 80.00

3/28/2010 Debit card pin purchase Lowe's Flint MI $ (66.25) $ - $ (66.25)

3/28/2010 Debit card ATM withdrawal Flushing Road Flint MI $ (300.00) $ (1.00) $ (301.00)

3/28/2010 Payment To Talk Radio Software $ (25.00) $ - $ (25.00)

3/28/2010 Payment From Curtis Whateley $ 100.00 $ (3.20) $ 96.80 $ 96.80

3/28/2010 Debit card pin purchase Lowe's Flint MI $ (66.25) $ - $ (66.25)

3/28/2010 Debit card ATM withdrawal Flushing Road Flint MI $ (300.00) $ (1.00) $ (301.00)

3/27/2010 Payment from Parkway Citrus Dragons $ 90.00 $ (2.91) $ 87.09 $ 87.09

3/27/2010 Debit card ATM withdrawal Flushing Road Flint MI $ (400.00) $ (1.00) $ (401.00)

3/26/2010 Debit card pin purchase Rite Aid Flint MI $ (5.71) $ - $ (5.71)

3/25/2010 Debit card pin purchase Walmart Flint MI $ (89.62) $ - $ (89.62)

3/25/2010 Debit card signature purchase Exxon Mobile Waterford MI $ (24.78) $ - $ (24.78)

3/25/2010 Payment for The Bean Farm $ (85.85) $ - $ (85.85)

3/25/2010 Debit card signature purchase Meijer Flint MI $ (15.65) $ - $ (15.65)

3/24/2010 Debit card pin purchase Walmart Flint MI $ (63.43) $ - $ (63.43)

3/24/2010 Debit card signature purchase Speedway Holly MI $ (13.65) $ - $ (13.65)

3/24/2010 Payment from William Boddy $ 100.00 $ - $ 100.00 $ 100.00

3/24/2010 Debit card signature purchase Walmart Flint MI $ (26.63) $ - $ (26.63)

3/24/2010 Debit card ATM withdrawal Flushing Road Flint MI $ (200.00) $ (1.00) $ (201.00)

3/23/2010 Debit card signature purchase Comcast of Flint $ (279.59) $ - $ (279.59)

3/23/2010 Debit card signature purchase Speedway Waterford MI $ (26.35) $ - $ (26.35)

3/23/2010 Debit card signature purchase Walmart Flint MI $ (14.83) $ - $ (14.83)

3/23/2010 Debit card signature purchase Lowe's Flint MI $ (31.77) $ - $ (31.77)

3/23/2010 Payment from David Gruning $ 200.00 $ - $ 200.00 $ 200.00

3/23/2010 Payment to Reptile Basics $ (160.65) $ - $ (160.65)

3/23/2010 Debit card ATM withdrawal Flushing Road Flint MI $ (100.00) $ (1.00) $ (101.00)

3/23/2010 Payment from Casey Hulse $ 50.00 $ - $ 50.00 $ 50.00

3/23/2010 Debit card pin purchase Dotties Wild Bird Burton MI $ (95.39) $ - $ (95.39)

3/22/2010 Payment from Willow Lowery $ 45.00 $ - $ 45.00 $ 45.00

3/22/2010 Payment from Dustin Turner $ 25.00 $ - $ 25.00 $ 25.00

3/22/2010 Payment from Katie Mrkvicka $ 500.00 $ - $ 500.00 $ 500.00

3/22/2010 Debit card signature purchase Rite Aid Flint MI $ (25.59) $ - $ (25.59)

3/22/2010 Debit card signature purchase Walmart Flint MI $ (32.04) $ - $ (32.04)

3/22/2010 Debit card signature purchase Hong Da Flint MI $ (29.63) $ - $ (29.63)

3/22/2010 Debit card signature purchase Tractor Supply Clio MI $ (16.94) $ - $ (16.94)

3/22/2010 Debit card signature purchase The Home Depot Flint MI $ (12.56) $ - $ (12.56)

3/22/2010 Debit card signature purchase Meijer Flint MI $ (4.37) $ - $ (4.37)

3/22/2010 Debit card pin purchase Best Buy Flint MI $ (238.48) $ - $ (238.48)

3/21/2010 Payment from Cheryl Van Slyke $ 15.00 $ (0.74) $ 14.26 $ 14.26

3/21/2010 Debit card signature purchase Hungry Howies Flint MI $ (21.19) $ - $ (21.19)

3/21/2010 Debit card signature purchase At&t call $ (8.04) $ - $ (8.04)

3/21/2010 Payment from David Pfent $ 600.00 $ (17.70) $ 582.30 $ 582.30

3/21/2010 Debit card pin purchase Dotties Wild Bird Burton MI $ (30.71) $ - $ (30.71)

3/21/2010 Payment from KBI Herpetoculture $ 100.00 $ - $ 100.00 $ 100.00

3/19/2010 Payment from Lloyd Thomas $ 120.00 $ - $ 120.00 $ 120.00

3/19/2010 Debit card pin purchase Flushing Road Flint MI $ (15.18) $ - $ (15.18)

3/19/2010 Debit card signature purchase At&t Call $ (21.22) $ - $ (21.22)

3/19/2010 Debit card signature purchase Exxon Mobile Waterford MI $ (32.05) $ - $ (32.05)

3/19/2010 Debit card signature purchase Portage Mantua OH $ (35.00) $ - $ (35.00)

3/19/2010 Debit card signature purchase Hillcrest Hotel Bedford PA $ (46.00) $ - $ (46.00)

3/18/2010 Payment for Charles Kimmel $ (800.00) $ - $ (800.00) $ 800.00

3/18/2010 Debit card signature purchase Walmart Everet PA $ (120.44) $ - $ (120.44)

3/18/2010 Debit card signature purchase Sunoco Farmington PA $ (11.68) $ - $ (11.68)

3/18/2010 Debit card signature purchase Sunoco Newburg PA $ (41.70) $ - $ (41.70)

3/18/2010 Debit card signature purchase Super 8 Motel Uniontown PA $ (82.28) $ - $ (82.28)

3/17/2010 Payment from Christina Hardy $ 25.00 $ - $ 25.00 $ 25.00

3/17/2010 Debit card signature purchase Walmart Lebanon PA $ (26.29) $ - $ (26.29)

3/17/2010 Debit card pin purchase Walmart Connellvill PA $ (104.70) $ - $ (104.70)

3/16/2010 Debit card purchase Get Go Mt. Pleasant PA $ (36.63) $ - $ (36.63)

3/16/2010 Authorization to At&t call $ (1.00) $ - $ (1.00)

3/15/2010 Authorization to At&t call $ (1.00) $ - $ (1.00)

3/15/2010 Debit card ATM withdrawal Flushing Road Flint MI $ (400.00) $ (1.00) $ (401.00)

3/15/2010 Payment from Stephanie Haskett $ 103.00 $ - $ 103.00 $ 103.00

3/15/2010 Debit card pin purchase McDonalds Flint MI $ (18.50) $ - $ (18.50)

3/15/2010 Debit card pin purchase Flushing Road Flint MI $ (11.98) $ - $ (11.98)

3/14/2010 Payment from Nicolas Streed $ 75.00 $ 2.48 $ 72.52 $ 72.52

3/14/2010 Payment from Krystal Tyler $ 500.00 $ - $ 500.00 $ 500.00

3/14/2010 Payment from David Pfent $ 588.68 $ - $ 588.68 $ 588.68

3/13/2010 Payment from John Cordone $ 70.00 $ - $ 70.00 $ 70.00

3/13/2010 Payment from Stephanie Haskett $ 30.00 $ (1.17) $ 28.83 $ 28.83

3/12/2010 Payment from Kelley Boone $ 88.00 $ (2.85) $ 85.15 $ 85.15

3/12/2010 Payment from Shawn Lorrain $ 100.00 $ - $ 100.00 $ 100.00

3/12/2010 Payment for Jonathan Foltz $ (60.00) $ - $ (60.00)

3/11/2010 Payment from James Gaukin $ 70.00 $ - $ 70.00 $ 70.00

3/11/2010 Payment from Dean Stemple $ 160.00 $ (4.94) $ 155.06 $ 155.06

3/11/2010 Payment from Dean Stemple $ 360.00 $ (10.74) $ 349.26 $ 349.26

3/10/2010 Payment from Ryan Jarosek $ 50.00 $ - $ 50.00 $ 50.00

3/10/2010 Payment from James Gaukin $ 45.00 $ - $ 45.00 $ 45.00

3/9/2010 Payment from Kyle Griswold $ 60.00 $ - $ 60.00 $ 60.00

3/9/2010 Payment from April Yohn $ 35.00 $ - $ 35.00 $ 35.00

3/8/2010 Payment from Paul Roger Wilson $ 20.00 $ - $ 20.00 $ 20.00

3/7/2010 Payment from Shawn Lorrain $ 200.00 $ - $ 200.00 $ 200.00

3/5/2010 Payment for Rick Morro $ (215.00) $ - $ (215.00) $ 215.00

3/5/2010 Payment from KBI Herpetoculture $ 150.00 $ - $ 150.00 $ 150.00

3/4/2010 Payment from Brandi Hockaday $ 30.00 $ - $ 30.00 $ 30.00

3/4/2010 Payment from Cheryl Marchek $ 100.00 $ - $ 100.00 $ 100.00

3/2/2010 Payment for Rick Morro $ (225.00) $ - $ (225.00) $ 225.00

3/2/2010 Payment from Heath Norris $ 200.00 $ - $ 200.00 $ 200.00

3/2/2010 Payment from Annabella G May $ 50.00 $ - $ 50.00 $ 50.00



$6,786.62 $2,040.00
$4,746.62

 

[zzzdanz]

I'm to computer stupid to get that to open...They where spending money like that I'm surprised they even sent any to Maggie

 

[amercnwmn]

Don't they have criminal records? If so, they certainly aren't supposed to be around firearms Or drugs for that matter. Possession of drugs & firearms could pose a legal issue as well, and bring all that nastiness back to the foray. I would probably try to distance myself and my CCL from that scenario ASAP.

I'm sure the rental landlord would not appreciate illegal drugs, firearms, and "creepy" reptiles. That's not really good for the reptile hobby, but neither are scammers like this. Doubtful their animals are even well cared for.

If Jeff's "addiction" is that serious, you can bet your ball python collection he's not going without right now. I really think he probably does have a drug problem, they do fit that profile.


I love the email.
So much to poke fun at:
"They are great parents" Yeaah cause they pay their bills on time, encourage honesty, responsibility, loyalty, and caring...and they aren't criminals or drug addicts....RIGHT.
Sell that ocean front property in Arizona somewhere else, please, Mr. Hart.

"It's perfectly legal to take a percentage". That's the biggest crock of crap I've EVER heard. If that was the case, that should have been put in a disclaimer on the auction/donation thread.
Any prosecutor worth his salt would punch holes through that defense. Percentages are allowable by COURTS in the cases of probate auctions that SET the amounts, or a previous agreed upon amount. Its GENERALLY between 10-20%
I somehow doubt 80+% would be considered acceptable in ANY court of law, and I would LOVE for that to come up in their defense!! I bet the look on the judge's face would be PRICELESS.

Your bogus allegation of "attempted theft of reptiles" is not likely to hold water either, Mr. Hart. How many thieves do YOU know CALL you and cooperate to make arrangements for you to come GET their stuff?
Since NO animals exchanged hands, it's moot to even HINT at an attempted theft, and to do so, is LIBEL. Keep it up, and you'll be sharing a cell with the Wise's.

If you have the SLIGHTEST intelligence, Mr. Hart, you would distance yourself from this couple and let them face the legal music themselves and keep yourself out of it.

Even if animals HAD exchanged hands, it's the Wise's word against a reputable member of the site, and with all of this evidence mounting against them, I don't think anyone would pay the SLIGHTEST bit of attention to them. Not to mention if they didn't want to hand them over, they only had to NOT ANSWER THE DOOR. Wow..yeah he was really out to rip them off! He turned around and LEFT after Christina's claim she had contacted the (imaginary) officer.

The ONLY thing I've read from your email worth reading was the advice to follow a civil suit. And I would...AFTER I exhausted EVERY possible CRIMINAL charge. I would seriously push this with the local PDs and have them link with OTHER PDs who have also received complaints to contact the Wise's local PD.

These people aren't very smart and they seem to think everyone else is dumber.
Typical of a drug addict mind, delusional and refusing to accept ANY responsibility.
Not a group you want to toss your lot in with, they are a sinking ship and if you are smart, you'll abandon ship.

 

[AbsoluteApril]

I never would have bid on the auctions if they were going to take a percentage, would have just sent funds to Maggie directly. Sounds like they might be getting desperate to come up with something, anything to justify. There is no justification for what was done.

 

[dturner100]

I never would have bid on the auctions if they were going to take a percentage, would have just sent funds to Maggie directly. Sounds like they might be getting desperate to come up with something, anything to justify. There is no justification for what was done.

The whole thing about taking a percentage is BS. Yes it is legal to take a percentage from a benefit auction but not under false pretenses. What they did was still 110% illegal, and immoral. PERIOD!

Sooner or later somebody is going to take their own type of justice. Please Mr. Hart see what you can do in court with that statement!!!

 

[dturner100]

As well I hope nobody forgot that Christina pretty much confessed to stealing money. Not taking a percentage of anything. She apologized, and said "I know what I did was wrong"!!!

 

[StrictlyExotics]

I never would have bid on the auctions if they were going to take a percentage, would have just sent funds to Maggie directly. Sounds like they might be getting desperate to come up with something, anything to justify. There is no justification for what was done.

They think that they must be some charitble organization the deserves some sort of wage to do what they did.

The saddest part of this whole situation is the fact that had they been on the up and up through all of this and needed some money, I am sure that they could have come to a lot of people on this site to help them in a crunch. If I didnt stop trusting them in early March, I know I would have sent a few dollars their way.

Also the dying aunt was probably untrue as well. I think the dying aunt was just a cover to go to Pa and do something else. I do know that they stopped get some donated rats from a member here on Fauna. I seem to remember he and I talking about them and the free rats in chat.

 

[cat snake]

Maybe that poster of the Wises could be updated with DanD's new figures. Unbelievable!

 

[DAND]

As well I hope nobody forgot that Christina pretty much confessed to stealing money. Not taking a percentage of anything. She apologized, and said "I know what I did was wrong"!!!

She may have forgotten what she had said as she has done so conveniently in the past. She doesn't seem all that bright and I would be surprised if she could retain water once a month let alone a lie she told.

Well if we're getting paid for these auctions then what would my percentage be for all the bumping of the auction threads I was doing? I'm pretty damn mad I was working so hard to put money in their pockets.

 

[amercnwmn]

Exactly!
They know they are in the wrong, they just refuse to face up to it now, and now that it's too late they are scared and scrambling trying to pin the blame anywhere else to pathetically try to divert the attention from themselves.
Not working.

I am floored by the amount of spending that was done on the donations.
I hope if Mr. Hart is seeing that, he's seeing some fishy actions on their part.