Bad Guy a4strick, Sydney Michelle Strickling, terrible chameleon transaction

[alee]

If you don't get reimbursed for every penny you've spent there's no way I'd send them back. I'm no law expert but as many lies as she's told she'd be a fool to take you to court. How much have you spent on vet costs so far?

I am going to take them to the vet next week. I wanted to let them settle a bit first, they have been through a lot and are stressed. The female started to eat today, and is looking a bit better. The male has been eating, but he's very dark most of all the time. Both their poop is very loose, I suspect parasites? Maybe they are WC.

 

[Killer Chams]

I am going to take them to the vet next week. I wanted to let them settle a bit first, they have been through a lot and are stressed. The female started to eat today, and is looking a bit better. The male has been eating, but he's very dark most of all the time. Both their poop is very loose, I suspect parasites? Maybe they are WC.

Thats what I suspected. They need to be dosed with some reptaid. It will help control the parisitic load and replace natural gut flora. Helps with lethargy and appetite also. The stuff will even treat coccidia. Most wc chams that come in by the way do have coccidia. So you better be very careful with your hygiene and quarantine controls. I wear gloves with newly imported wc's both when handling and cleaning any cages. I dont chance it with the rest of my colection.

If you do dose them with reptaid. Which I believe is the best option for fresh wc's. And the vet says to treat with a de- wormer. They should have lower numbers of parasites and it will make it easier for the chams to pass them. If they have high numbers the actual dewormer can kill the cham because they cant pass the high number of parasites and they begin to shut down.

 

[AbsoluteApril]

re: treating the chams - please take that to PMs or the discussion forums as it's getting OT from what this thread is about.

re: refund
what did YOU (OP) and SYDNEY actually work out in regards to getting the refund? the two of you are the ones that need to come to an agreement, not whatever the majority here says.

 

[alee]

Thats what I suspected. They need to be dosed with some reptaid. It will help control the parisitic load and replace natural gut flora. Helps with lethargy and appetite also. The stuff will even treat coccidia. Most wc chams that come in by the way do have coccidia. So you better be very careful with your hygiene and quarantine controls. I wear gloves with newly imported wc's both when handling and cleaning any cages. I dont chance it with the rest of my colection.

If you do dose them with reptaid. Which I believe is the best option for fresh wc's. And the vet says to treat with a de- wormer. They should have lower numbers of parasites and it will make it easier for the chams to pass them. If they have high numbers the actual dewormer can kill the cham because they cant pass the high number of parasites and they begin to shut down.

Thanks. I will be very careful. We purchased a bottle of reptaid not too long ago, my husband used it for his bearded dragons. I just checked, it went bad, kind of chunky! I guess it is only good for about a month. I will order another bottle today.

 

[alee]

re: treating the chams - please take that to PMs or the discussion forums as it's getting OT from what this thread is about.

re: refund
what did YOU (OP) and SYDNEY actually work out in regards to getting the refund? the two of you are the ones that need to come to an agreement, not whatever the majority here says.

Sydney never worked out anything with me. Did you read the posts? I will do what is legal and what is right.

 

[crotalusadamanteus]

If she pays Paypal back (and shipping back & vet cost), can I legally keep the 2 chams?

I'd have to say not likely. IF she paid for shipping and vet costs, you'd really have no right to keep them.

I was meaning, you got your initial costs back from PayPal, eat what you lost so far, discontinue communication, and see if you can get them back to health. If you can, then the vet costs and shipping you incurred, will be the price you paid for the animals.

At least, that's how I'd do it after someone tried to gank me. I don't figure I owe them anything after that. But like I said earlier, I don't like being scammed, and I get a bit ornery and I believe in teaching lessons too.

 

[AbsoluteApril]

Sydney never worked out anything with me. Did you read the posts? I will do what is legal and what is right.

Why yes, of course I have read the thread

An agreement needs to be made between the buyer and the seller for anything to move forward and it appeared the two of you were working to come to an agreement.:

She said:

i would have returned her money had she agreed to send them back

then you said:

Fine! Today is the 5th day of your 5-day guarantee. Give me my money back, I will send them back to you.

and she appeared to agree:

Well when i get to my destination we can discuss sending them back and a refund.

So it would seem you two still have to agree on is how much she owes you for shipping which of course won't know until she can provide you with her new address.

In regards to the vet fees (IMO) unless those were agreed to be paid prior to treatment, the seller doesn't owe as you are taking it upon yourself to do that. YES I understand these are live animals and it is in their best interest and it would be in the SELLER's best interest to foot the bill (like I said earlier). Based on a comment the seller made earlier maybe she would be willing to?

i am paying fro the vet and i sent them her pictures

You can't just do whatever you decide to is right, there are two parties involved - the buyer and the seller.

Good luck and I hope she does what is right! It's sad to see any animal suffer because of an unscrupulous seller just trying to make a quick buck.

 

[a4strick]

as absouluteapril has stated yes those are the things i have agreed to and had she talked to me about vet costs i might be willing to pay for those if she agrees to send them back but since she has stopped communication i highly doubt that will ever happen

 

[a4strick]

also if she provides receites of how much the vet bill actually was

 

[alee]

as absouluteapril has stated yes those are the things i have agreed to and had she talked to me about vet costs i might be willing to pay for those if she agrees to send them back but since she has stopped communication i highly doubt that will ever happen

also if she provides receites of how much the vet bill actually was

You are the one who could NEVER produce any prove. Read all your emails you have written to me, read all your posts here. You are the liar, you are the fraud, you are the one who took advantage of and exploited sick "rescued" animals, you are the one who took advantage of unsuspecting buyers, me. Can you give me the name and the number of the vet you supposedly took the chams too before you sent them to me? How about the one you sent the pictures to? Where are they located? How about posting some receipts? How about those papers to prove they are nosy faly's and the female came from Screameleons? Oh, I forgot, you no longer think they belong to them, right? Please. Stop with your B.S. You have not been honest once. You have been caught lying again and again. You have no remorse for what you did, you are incapable of learning from your mistakes. Like I said before, you are a low life, and always will be. Now, you are trying to turn it around, and say I am the dishonest one? Who are you trying to fool?

So Sydney, IF you do pay Paypal back the money, do you want me to take them to the vet? Please let me know, the vet bills will be at your cost if you want them back, and of course you will also be responsible for the shipping cost, if I ever get an address from you.

 

[alee]

Sydney- One more thing, if you do wish for me to take the chams to a vet, please pay the vet cost in advance. I am very tired of fighting to get money back from you.

 

[a4strick]

as i have stated i will not pay anything until the 2nd or 3rd and how much is it you wanting for the vet bill?

 

[alee]

as i have stated i will not pay anything until the 2nd or 3rd and how much is it you wanting for the vet bill?

2nd or 3rd? Not good enough. I agreed to your 5 day health guarantee. Not only did the chams arrived sick and 100% NOT what they were described to be, you have breached your term of sale by not providing a refund, and an address to return them back to you. In your for-sale thread, you stated you were supposed to find them a home by June 1st, and all of a sudden, you are on the road to your "new destination" more than a week early? I am starting to think you are pathological. Please, do yourself a favor, seek some help. How much do I want for the vet cost? The exact vet bill + gas. When you are ready to send the money, let me know. I will make an appointment and ask for an approximate cost. I will provide you with legitimate receipts (vet & gas) and refund the excess after the vet visit.

Can you give me the name and the number of the vet you supposedly took the chams too before you sent them to me? How about the one you sent the pictures to? Where are they located? How about posting some receipts? How about those papers to prove they are nosy faly's and the female came from Screameleons? Oh, I forgot, you no longer think they belong to them, right?

Well Sydney, are you going to answer these questions?

 

[a4strick]

why is it i am trying to work with you again because all you can do is attack me? I am trying to work this out with you but your not really giving any option other than just to completely wright you off. Now as i stated before about how much do you think you are looking for in vet cost

 

[Onetruesikorsky]

why is it i am trying to work with you again because all you can do is attack me? I am trying to work this out with you but your not really giving any option other than just to completely wright you off. Now as i stated before about how much do you think you are looking for in vet cost

As much as I don't want to agree with you because of how you acted in the beginning, I have to agree. Despite how a4strick responded, she IS willing to work with you, Alee - if you two would like to work things out I think this can be settled if there are professional and respectful responses instead of more attacks, from EITHER side.

That doesn't mean you have to like her, it doesn't mean you have to have any contact with her ever again after this awful transaction, but ending said transaction as quickly and efficiently as possible would be best for both the animals and the buyer and seller, so you never have to deal with each other again.

 

[alee]

As much as I don't want to agree with you because of how you acted in the beginning, I have to agree. Despite how a4strick responded, she IS willing to work with you, Alee - if you two would like to work things out I think this can be settled if there are professional and respectful responses instead of more attacks, from EITHER side.

That doesn't mean you have to like her, it doesn't mean you have to have any contact with her ever again after this awful transaction, but ending said transaction as quickly and efficiently as possible would be best for both the animals and the buyer and seller, so you never have to deal with each other again.

These are her previous posts from about an hour ago-

as absouluteapril has stated yes those are the things i have agreed to and had she talked to me about vet costs i might be willing to pay for those if she agrees to send them back but since she has stopped communication i highly doubt that will ever happen

also if she provides receites of how much the vet bill actually was

At this point, she is still trying to divert the blame to me. She still has not paid a penny back. How is she trying to work things out? I am sorry, but I just don't see it. I have not seen any action from her, just talk. However, I do appreciate you (Onetruesikorsky) trying to help.

Here's my answer to her question-

How much do I want for the vet cost? The exact vet bill + gas. When you are ready to send the money, let me know. I will make an appointment and ask for an approximate cost. I will provide you with legitimate receipts (vet & gas) and refund the excess after the vet visit.

 

[laterob]

Alee, as of now you have 'free' chams, no? There's only a couple ways for this to go (what am I missing?):

1. Sydney repays paypal, pays the vet bill, and shipping. You send chams back.
2. Sydney doesn't repay paypal, you pay the vet bill, you keep the chams.

You said (I think) that you had a vet appointment next week. I am guessing it's not on Monday. So, your appointment is probably around the 2nd or 3rd (Wednesday or Thursday), when Sydney said she could pay. Why antangonize her with 'that's not good enough'?

I don't think it's fair to ask Sydney to pay for the vet bill if you intend to keep the animals.

So, to me, the real question here is something like, "Who is going to keep the chams?" Again, feel free to correct me.....

 

[Onetruesikorsky]

I see where you're coming from, totally. It's a sh*tty situation and I don't envy you at all, but the fact that she's at least stated she's willing to refund you is a step forward, although minimal. I know you won't be satisfied until you actually see those numbers back in your Paypal account, and I can't blame you for it at all (since I would be the same way).

I think she's looking for a proper estimate from the vet bill - you're asking/telling her to pay RIGHT NOW for something you don't have a physical estimate for yet, so it's hard for her to pay for it in that instance.

I still don't think the 'I don't trust my phone with paypal' is a valid excuse (has this been known to happen? Fraud through stealing of info while paying for something via phone?), but the full refund should be paid before the vet care, I think, so you can at least get the majority of your money back.

And if I'm overstepping any bounds with help or mediating here just let me know and I'll back out and let you two fight to the death, as it were, lol.

 

[robmd1]

lol @ workin with her? ive read this thread an dont see it.. alee wait an see if she even pays paypal the 800 for chams she knows arnt falys an not in the best of shape unlike you when you bought them she knows better.. she got caught in to many lies an should be ashamed of herself not tryen to bkpeddle now after the fact you got your money bk.. good luck to you an both the chams..

 

[laterob]

Justine, Alee HAS her money back.

I then filed a claim with my bank, the $800 was directly transferred from my bank to her through Paypal. My bank credited the entire amount to my bank account. However, since my bank reversed the payment with Paypal, PP then put a negative $800 balance on my PP account, and I was asked to pay the amount back to PP. I called them, I was told the claim was closed, and I would have no choice but to pay the $800. I called again later that day as suggested by a wonderful moderator, the claim was reopened. Paypal now has refunded the $800, so I no longer have the negative balance. They are now trying to recoup the money back from Sydney. I will be notified of the outcome. IF she does pay Paypal back $800, she will need to send me the shipping cost to ship the 2 chameleons back to her, plus any medical costs and care that incur while they are in my care. I will do my best to care for them, however, if they die, it is no one's fault but HERS, and I owe her nothing. I will let you know when I hear from Paypal.

Seems to me that you two need to decide WHO WANTS THE CHAMS? If (and I know this is unlikely) Sydney is to pay shipping and reimburse PayPal, isn't it her right to say 'no' to a vet bill?

This is why Rick is right. Dammit if he isn't almost always right. Forget the vet bill, and tell Sydney to jump in a lake, if you plan to keep the chams (I would take this path). Just ask her...."Do you want the chams back for $800 plus shipping". I'm pretty sure what the answer will be...