From: Dachiu To: whiskersmom Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 5:42 pm Subject: Difficult Situation
Sherri,
The University of Florida has stated that they dont perform the test that Chasity is claiming to have had done through them. If they do not perfom the test - how can she possibly have these PCR results that she claims?
A select handful of people have had verified negative results returned, only to test positive on a re-test at a later date. These people went from being on cloud-nine - to having their hopes crushed with 1 email. Is it fair to those people that another person is actually able to pull something like this off?
She wont answer any questions, she wont provide proof. She isnt afraid of people taking her results and using them for their own - I think she is afraid of getting caught.
Vickie
From: whiskersmom To: Dachiu Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 6:40 pm Subject: Re: Difficult Situation 
Vickie,
I pray you're wrong. Please don't let that offend you. I may be naive, but I really want this to have a good outcome.
I've been doing some research and I've made some phone calls, one of them today was to the U of F, I talked to a Dr. Ryan, he did explain their procedure, so I know you are right in how they do the PCR but is it possible she is talking about her vet doing the blood panel and U of F doing the PCR? She has told me in the past that she has a top notch vet that is really into finding out as much as possible about AV....could it be that this is what she is talking about?
I have a bad feeling that when that summation by Jacobson comes out, there probably will be some broken hearts....and no, it's not right for any one to be lying about their results, it does just kick the ones that have positive results, in the teeth.
I keep asking myself, what if they're right? What if it does have to do with husbandry or illness that brings the virus to the surface? That it is in the animal naturally? Vickie, I don't want to argue just for the sake of argueing, if I've been wrong - I will apologize on any public forum, I just want what's best for these babies. I would love to have the experience of watching just one clutch hatch. But until I know in my heart that it's the right thing to do, I won't be able to bring myself to do it.
Sherri
From: Dachiu To: whiskersmom Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 8:13 pm Subject: Re: Difficult Situation Sherri,
I am not offended at all... and I do not think you are naive either. Im glad you made the phone calls - I hate to be the only one.
I also hope that this is not the case - but I have been told that no colony has tested clean from the University of Florida. To the best of my knowledge, there are no other labs running PCRs with the peramiters for this atadenovirus.
I honestly dont know what blood panel her vet would run to detect this virus.
I will say that I respect the initial email that Dr. Jacobson offered - based upon the limited information that was presented to him at the time. Data has been collected since then and hopefully the statement will shed some light on the situation. There has been some serious misrepresentation of information that was presented to the public by a select individual. To an experienced keeper - some of the information just does not add up.
Combining the knowledge of experienced keepers, with repeated testing and documentation of results, along with various medical backgrounds help to give us a better understanding as a whole. It certainly doesnt answer all of our questions but I believe in the future that these tests may be used as a tool to further our understanding.
There are already many broken hearts Sherri. In the post "Where did the love go?" is a perfect example of how numerous individuals are feeling. In 11 years, we have never seen the dragon community this divided, this nasty and backstabbing.
Sherrie, this is not about who is right and who is wrong. This is about the information available to us, how it pertains to our dragons and what we can do to apply it and gain more knowledge.
As far as I know, you are the only one who actually picked up the phone and followed up on the information that was posted on the forum yesterday.
Kudos to you!
Vickie & Rob
From: whiskersmom To: Dachiu Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 5:53 am Subject: Re: Difficult Situation
Vickie,
This really is worrying me. You say that as far as you know that NO negative results have come out of Florida at all? If this is correct, then I blame Dr. Jacobson for creating this hysteria....when he wrote the letter/article that is in RR's he shouldn't have stated that positive dragons shouldn't be sold in the pet trade. Doesn't that lead one to believe that there's a good chance that dragons are negative? If they're truely all positive then this is something we are just going to have live with, leading us to believe otherwise when he knows it's most likely the opposite is wrong.
I agree that it's not about who is right and who is wrong....at first that is what I believed but the more I dive into this and read different articles and private emails from Dr. Jacobson the more I believe it isn't all black and white - there are way too many grey areas and way too many innuendoes coming from the experts that leads one to believe that they aren't saying what they really feel is going on.
I wish that summation came out yesterday!
I'm tired of all this bickering and you're right, the whole community is divided...it's like we're all enemies with nothing in common.
Sherri
