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about siklback and their husbandry

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Tracie, I don't think anyone wants to rush Denise, it's just that this thread isn't really about AV but about the silk back dragons and because there is a deal upon the table made by Vickie Dachiu, that if Denise can show proof that she has tested her dragons and the results are negative then Vickie will not breed the silkbacks. This is a wonderful deal and we need to jump on it before the deal becomes null and void.
I don't want to see those mutations being bred.
 
whiskersmom said:
Tracie, I don't think anyone wants to rush Denise, it's just that this thread isn't really about AV but about the silk back dragons and because there is a deal upon the table made by Vickie Dachiu, that if Denise can show proof that she has tested her dragons and the results are negative then Vickie will not breed the silkbacks. This is a wonderful deal and we need to jump on it before the deal becomes null and void.
I don't want to see those mutations being bred.
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I absolutely agree with you about these mutants being bred, but Vickie should be doing what's right ALL ON HER OWN.

Regardless of the reasoning, it's not Denise's responsibility to FORCE Vickie to do what's right for these animals.
 
Hello

Hello,

OH I know it's not an AV thread, but no, I definitely do not want to see the silkies bred either. If Vickie is going to put that much pressure on someone to come forward with their test results, then, she needs to not only not breed the silkies, but she needs to do the right thing as well by the rest of us.
You are right Tere, is it no one's responsibility to make Vickie decide what is right for the animals, only hers & hers alone. What will she decide is the question.

Tracie
 
walker75 said:
Now that you say you are not claiming to have negatives would and could I take that as You have Adeno Positive Dragons and have been selling them as healthy non positive dragons. Or is it a do not tell policy on the status of your colony and of course many other breeders.
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Now that I say that I am not claiming to have negatives? Have I ever claimed to have either negatives OR positives? Have you even read anything that I have posted here or on my website? I sell knowingly healthy dragons - that is all I claim - it is all I have ever claimed. Do not ask do not tell? Are you freaking kidding me? Do YOU bother to ask, or do you just assume?

walker75 said:
There are negative colonies and this is just a way to say that all dragons have Adeno so that You and others can continue to sell the non publicized Adeno Positives Dragons in the many many Adeno Positive Colonies out there.
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Why would you say that asking for more information about a supposed negative colony is a way to say that all dragons have adeno? That is a stupid argument.
 
You all also are going on the premise that Vickie wont come up with some reason to breed them anyway even if Denise does show her results.

But I will tell you all what. I am getting a small breeding colony from Bert Langerwerf here in the next month or two and I will have them tested and I will happily post the results. And I have never had a Bearded Dragon in my home so there is no chance for any cross contamination. They will be coming to a more or less sterile environment. Well, as sterile as it gets with having kids. :)
 
Drache613 said:
Hello,

OH I know it's not an AV thread, but no, I definitely do not want to see the silkies bred either. If Vickie is going to put that much pressure on someone to come forward with their test results, then, she needs to not only not breed the silkies, but she needs to do the right thing as well by the rest of us.
You are right Tere, is it no one's responsibility to make Vickie decide what is right for the animals, only hers & hers alone. What will she decide is the question.

Tracie
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WTF? We have JUST as much right to pressure Denise about providing test results as the rest of you have to pressure US about our supposed "sick, dying, diseased adeno-positive" dragons that we are selling to the world, thus leading to the demise of the entire species. Grow up. If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. If Denise has REAL test results, then she should not be afraid to post them. This is a silly game. Vicky has every right to breed silkbacks, and it is NO business of yours. The fact that Denise has accepted Vicky's challenge says plenty to me. Someone said that it takes time to get results together - NO IT DOES NOT if you ALREADY have them!

Jamie
 
Valley Dragons said:
WTF? We have JUST as much right to pressure Denise about providing test results as the rest of you have to pressure US about our supposed "sick, dying, diseased adeno-positive" dragons that we are selling to the world, thus leading to the demise of the entire species. Grow up. If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. If Denise has REAL test results, then she should not be afraid to post them. This is a silly game. Vicky has every right to breed silkbacks, and it is NO business of yours. The fact that Denise has accepted Vicky's challenge says plenty to me. Someone said that it takes time to get results together - NO IT DOES NOT if you ALREADY have them!

Jamie
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sorry, that should say NOT accepted Vivky's challenge
 
i will be blunt (big surprise huh? ;) ) it's no secret that there are 2 sides here.it's also very obvious that i am on the opposite side of vickie,mikey,valley,ect..... BUT i do have to say that no one is rushing anything along.everyone has been very patient.its been 2 weeks where there hasnt been a word on this thread, waiting for denise to post the results.back on pg 47 vickie put a deal on the table and denise agreed.i did not witness anyone pressuring anybody.the silence has been deafening and there are alot of things left hanging.im just stating the facts.
 
Saladragon said:
I absolutely agree with you about these mutants being bred, but Vickie should be doing what's right ALL ON HER OWN.

Regardless of the reasoning, it's not Denise's responsibility to FORCE Vickie to do what's right for these animals.
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You're absolutely right, Tere, but I don't see that happening any time soon, do you?
 
shrap said:
You all also are going on the premise that Vickie wont come up with some reason to breed them anyway even if Denise does show her results.

But I will tell you all what. I am getting a small breeding colony from Bert Langerwerf here in the next month or two and I will have them tested and I will happily post the results. And I have never had a Bearded Dragon in my home so there is no chance for any cross contamination. They will be coming to a more or less sterile environment. Well, as sterile as it gets with having kids. :)
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Yes, we are and maybe that is naive, but I still take people at their word. Maybe I DO need to grow up.

That's wonderful news. I know Berts dragons are not from the U.S. and hasn't been inbred so these are going to be some awsomely healthy dragons.......I'm so excited over this!!!!! I think you'll be a fantastic beardie breeder!
 
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Hello,

Let's get one thing straight Jamie before you are trying to pick on me again. Never did I say that we cannot ask for test results from anyone. I just said it takes time to get everything together. Of course, we all have a right to see it. All I did say was Denise has never lied about anything & has been upfront with everything which is more than I can say about Vickie.
Yes, it is MY business what Vickie decides to do with a bearded dragon IF IT is going to affect the rest of them, yes, it is MY business. You need to stop trying to follow in her footsteps, Jamie, because if you have not noticed, she does not have that great of a reputation anymore.
Ethics go a long way in any business. So, I suggest that you make a stand for what you think is right, not what you think someone else thinks is right. Make decisions for yourself & quit depending on someone else to make them for you.
Yeah, true, I am not all that convinced that even when Denise posts her results that Vickie wont go ahead & breed anyway. I totally agree! I guess I am nieve too, as I try to envision the best in people until they give me a reason not to.
On a better note, great Shrap! I am sure those dragons are going to look great. Super. Let us know how they turn out for sure.

Tracie
 
puppytoes72 said:
i will be blunt (big surprise huh? ;) ) it's no secret that there are 2 sides here.it's also very obvious that i am on the opposite side of vickie,mikey,valley,ect..... BUT i do have to say that no one is rushing anything along.everyone has been very patient.its been 2 weeks where there hasnt been a word on this thread, waiting for denise to post the results.back on pg 47 vickie put a deal on the table and denise agreed.i did not witness anyone pressuring anybody.the silence has been deafening and there are alot of things left hanging.im just stating the facts.
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Yeah, it sure surprised me....stepping out of character, eh? lol

I understand exactly what you are saying and I too, would like to see this put to rest. It really hasn't just been two weeks that we've been all wondering and waiting for this but since the BOI thread and when Tere had posted that she was testing positives...so it's been a while that we've all wanted confirmation that there is a test out there other then having to go thru Jacobsons lab and that there is a possible negative colony. This is something we need to know.
 
Drache613 said:
Hello,

Let's get one thing straight Jamie before you are trying to pick on me again. Never did I say that we cannot ask for test results from anyone. I just said it takes time to get everything together. Of course, we all have a right to see it. All I did say was Denise has never lied about anything & has been upfront with everything which is more than I can say about Vickie.
Yes, it is MY business what Vickie decides to do with a bearded dragon IF IT is going to affect the rest of them, yes, it is MY business. You need to stop trying to follow in her footsteps, Jamie, because if you have not noticed, she does not have that great of a reputation anymore.
Ethics go a long way in any business. So, I suggest that you make a stand for what you think is right, not what you think someone else thinks is right. Make decisions for yourself & quit depending on someone else to make them for you.
Yeah, true, I am not all that convinced that even when Denise posts her results that Vickie wont go ahead & breed anyway. I totally agree! I guess I am nieve too, as I try to envision the best in people until they give me a reason not to.
On a better note, great Shrap! I am sure those dragons are going to look great. Super. Let us know how they turn out for sure.

Tracie
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great post :iagree:
 
whiskersmom said:
Yes, we are and maybe that is naive, but I still take people at their word. Maybe I DO need to grow up.
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I take people at their word who have earned it. Everyone else is subject to scrutiny.

whiskersmom said:
That's wonderful news. I know Berts dragons are not from the U.S. and hasn't been inbred so these are going to be some awsomely healthy dragons.......I'm so excited over this!!!!! I think you'll be a fantastic beardie breeder!
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Yes my daughter (she is 12) and I are truly looking forward to it. The beardies are really her thing. I am a snake guy. She has been researching for over a year now and has the care of them down pat. I am really proud of her and how diligent she has been. But then she knew if she didnt show the commitment that she wasnt going to get them.

As far as breeding goes, yeah we will do some breeding if they are all clean (which I do believe they should be since Bert has had a closed colony for years upon years), but very small scale. If she decides she wants to do beardies on a larger scale when she is old enough to do it all by herself then I will support her 100%. But until then it will certainly be kept to a minimum. Beardies are work, I am a lazy snake guy. :)
 
Hello

Hello,

That is great though, I am sure your daughter will do great & with your support as well. I have seen pics of Bert's dragons & they do look great.
Yes, we do need some testing confirmation & am sure that we will get it. As Whiskermom said, it has not been very long at all.

Tracie
 
Hello

Hello,

Thanks Michele, I do my best on here. :) Just trying to stand up to what I feel is right, that's all.

Tracie
 
Drache613 said:
Hello,
Yes, it is MY business what Vickie decides to do with a bearded dragon IF IT is going to affect the rest of them, yes, it is MY business. You need to stop trying to follow in her footsteps, Jamie, because if you have not noticed, she does not have that great of a reputation anymore.
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How is breeding silkbacks going to affect all dragons? Please explain that to me! And as far as following in Vicky's footsteps....why would you say that? Just because I agree with her on some issues? Who's to say that she isn't following in MY footsteps, lol.

Drache613 said:
Ethics go a long way in any business. So, I suggest that you make a stand for what you think is right, not what you think someone else thinks is right. Make decisions for yourself & quit depending on someone else to make them for you. Tracie
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Just because we have similar views on some subjects does not mean that I have lost my ability to think for myself, lol. I could just as easily say that you and the people who share similar views have lost the ability to think on your own...but that would not be fair, now would it?
 
Valley Dragons said:
Now that I say that I am not claiming to have negatives? Have I ever claimed to have either negatives OR positives? Have you even read anything that I have posted here or on my website? I sell knowingly healthy dragons - that is all I claim - it is all I have ever claimed. Do not ask do not tell? Are you freaking kidding me? Do YOU bother to ask, or do you just assume?

See this is the problem you claim they are healthy they may be adeno positive. You have not tested altho you said you may..

Why would you say that asking for more information about a supposed negative colony is a way to say that all dragons have adeno? That is a stupid argument.
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Because you and others are claiming to be healthy nor neg or positive which is it?

Yes I have been to your site and I am not impressed and you will never get the life long research information that I have on my positive dragons as I do not feel you truly want to test for adeno if you did you would have already.

It is not all about the money for the test... you get real and quit being the drama spokes model queen test your animls and post the results
 
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