Adam Block (Inquiry)

[Uffern]

Give me a break, Jason. Those comments were taken out of context and you are so obviously just trying to cause trouble. Grow up.

 

[Classic Dum's]

ANYONE whom might try to keep a discussion about him fair and even handed as joining with the enemy

Is that what you called it when you slapped Neil in the other thread for name calling or antagonizing or whatever it was then said nothing to Adam as he ran ramped?

It reminded me of another option that I wanted to add to the warning system I am implementing

Whats that you going to label me as a troll? LMAO!!!

Look at it from my point of veiw Rich. Here we have you, you start this site to catch theives and warn others. Well it works one gets caught. Then we see the guy who started it all telling one of his moderators to stop digging at the theif, stop trying to call him to bat for what he is. Then we see you telling him to become buddies with him. Maybe you seen they had a common ground since they both had been banned from the same site. But why in the world would you want one of your moderators to be associated with a theif even if there was common ground? Why would you want ANYONE you hold in high enough regaurd to give them the keys to your site to stand on the same ground as a theif?? in a case such as that the theif disscredits ANYTHING the crebible person does. Much less tell them to get in a boat togther. Sorry Rich but I cant comprehend that. If one of my freinds ever told me to buddy up with a theif for whatever reason Id knock them through a window. So look at it from my point of Veiw Rich it just doesnt look very good on you how can you expect anyone to take you serious when you tell one of your own moderators to hope in the same boat as theif. Seriouly Rich see it from my point of veiw I am not trying to start trouble here. If some new person came on this site and was buddy buddy with one of the biggest jokes this site has seen who is also a known theif would you take them seriously? Just please answer that as yes or no. I know I wouldnt. Try to see it from an outsiders point of veiw.

 

[HerpVenue]

woah now.
everything has been taken out of context.
No one told me to buddy up with the thief and the liar.
Tone it down does not mean be buddies.

He told me to tone it down with Adam....Does not mean he asked me to be buddies with Adam.

He also told me to tone it down with kingsnake......Does not mean he asked me to be buddies with kingsnake. (I have e-mails to prove it.....but they are private)

Tone it down means to tone down my posts. Means do not post with anger and hatred. Insteead use my brain cells and be civil to people.

 

[HerpVenue]

ps

I do not stand on the same ground as anyone.

I stand on my own ground. (The ground that I THINK is right)

 

[HerpVenue]

okay back on track


So noone has yet posted about having bought the albinos or the piebalds huh? This is very interesting.

I wonder if Adam can post who he sold them to.

 

[WebSlave]

Jason,

As you are most certainly fully aware, you are taking multiple circumstances over a long period of time and extracting out of context statements merely to support your crusade against Adam Block.

So here's what you can do Jason. If you don't like the way I run things here, then leave. No ill will towards you, but everything you post is a complaint about this site, whether it is in relation to kingsnake.com or Adam Block. So, and I know this will come as a shocker to you, this site really does not need you. You obviously need something here, because you keep coming back. I am sorry about that, and I hope those fixes you get by coming here are beneficial to you, but no one really takes you seriously any longer.

And just for the record, I am not interested in debating with you how I do things here or respond to your taunts. Just consider this as a take it or leave it site to you.

Heck, now that I think about it, please come back later on when I have the warning system operational. I need to test it out.

Thanks.

 

[Classic Dum's]

I stand on my own ground. (The ground that I THINK is right)

Ive never questioned that Rich L., just the fact that Rich Z. thinks you and Adam could be more productive togther then working against him.

but no one really takes you seriously any longer.

Yes I know the 10 regulars on this board do not and thats all good. I do several shows a month and someone explained it to me as "BOI vision" or the "BOI realm" or something the called it. That a couple of people here cant seem to think outside the box. In any event thats cool.

 

[Darin Chappell]

"Yes I know the 10 regulars on this board . . ."

Jason, that's hyperbolic junk, and you know it. We all know you hate Adam. Fine. I'm not terribly impressed with him either.

However we also know that you are big buddies with the people at KS. So, you take every opportunity (whether it actually presents itself or not) to attack Adam and Rich Z./the BOI with the same hammer.

I'm just going to tell you this, and you can take it or leave it as you like. I KNOW FOR A FACT that there is no real love lost between Rich Z. and Adam Block. They aren't close buddies, and there is no way Rich told Ritchie to buddy up to Adam. Rich wouldn't ask, and Ritchie wouldn't do it if he did!

So, just knock it off, OK? Your particular broken record is getting really, really old.

 

[HerpVenue]

I have people saying this thread is vicous.
I have people saying this post was ridiculous.

Can someone show me what part of my initial inquiry is ridiculous?
Can someone show me what part of my initial inquiry is accusing Adam of anything?
Can someone show me what part of my initial inquiry is insinuating anything?
Can someone show me what part of my initial inquiry says that Adam did anything wrong?

I am trying to see the "other side". But maybe I am blind. So I would need your help.

I will put my initial inquiry in bold. Help me out.

Adam Block (Inquiry)
How many people have bought from Adam Block?
I want to know your experiences.

Has anyone bought Albino ball pythons from him?
Has anyone bought Piebald ball pythons from him?

I am asking because I was visiting his website....
and I noticed he states that he is sold out of piebalds and albinos..

So I would like to know who bought them.
http://www.angelfire.com/nv/impactreptiles/current.html

Thank you.

 

[WebSlave]

You know, I guess I flubbed it a bit by speaking in such a way that all this about Jason in here will probably seem like he is being attacked unfairly. I forgot that I myself made the statement that we need to be a bit more conscious of the new people reading these threads that do not have the context of past history to relate to.

So let me fill in the blanks a little bit.

Jason Sweigart apparently had a runin with Adam Block a while back in relation to some mouse bottle sipper tubes. I believe this can be easily referenced via a keyword search. I believe Jason was rather incensed with the way Adam responded on this board about this issue, and certainly no one else here was much impressed with the way Adam handled it. But I believe Jason took it REAL personal. When things were getting rather out of hand, I tried to moderate the issue and it appears that Jason has taken offense at this. I believe I had also asked Ritchie Luna to tone down his rhetoric as well, as he was going a bit overboard, as I thought it was not in anyone's best interests to let things get too carried away.

On another front, and again referencing Adam Block, Adam had posted a thread belittling Jeff Barringer over a difference of opinion and his getting banned from kingsnake.com. This can also be found via a keyword search, if interested. But Adam apparently got under Jeff's skin, and Jeff called me on the phone to demand that I delete Adam's thread from my board. When I refused, Jeff told me that we was going to be filing a federal lawsuit against Adam Block, and I would likely get named as a codefendant in that case for allowing Adam's posting to remain on my board. When I still refused to delete it, Jeff than stated that because of my refusal to delete that thread, my sites would be banned from being mentioned on kingsnake.com.

I then posted this discussion on the BOI, and apparently Jason Sweigart took exception to this as well, even going so far as to accuse me of lying about the situation. Several threads were running concurrently about this situation, so you may have to search a bit to track them all down. But in any event Jason was quite adamant about the issue and in all cases where pointed questions were asked of him, he completely avoided answering them. Further, it soon came out that Jason Sweigart was the winning contestant of the contest that Jeff Barringer held for a 42 inch, $3,000 plasma screen monitor this past December. While we would not like to assume that such an event would sway another person's opinion of the person granting such a prize, it certainly did tend to color the opinions of mister Sweigart when that was taken into account.

So that is the background on this issue. It is all documented and still exists on the BOI, but you will have to seek that out yourself. I would much rather that you track down those threads yourself, and read them from beginning to end, rather than run the risk that anything cut and pasted here might be interpretted out of context.

Sorry about the diversion, but I think it is necessary to bring new readers up to speed on this issue.

 

[Classic Dum's]

I tried to moderate the issue and it appears that Jason has taken offense at this

Humm maybe my mind is slipping but if your talking about the thread Adam started about himself and my deal I dont rember you having to get involved. I rember him doing such a god job of making an a$$ of himself I didnt really have to say much. But like I said dont qoute me on that

While we would not like to assume that such an event would sway another person's opinion

You only wish that was the case as you know its not. You can try to paint this anywhere you want people are more then welcome to referance the OLD BOI and see that my veiws have been the same for years. Heres the link http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/boi/

feel free to take a look there some threads in there dating back several years.

even going so far as to accuse me of lying about the situation

I never accused you of lying only said I didnt trust you due to the way you stabbed Neil.

Its sad Rich all you can do is keep regurging Kingsnake Kingsnake Kingsnake your Jealousy shines right through. This has nothing to do with Kingsnake at all. At least my posts run in the same direction as the thread, they may not be totally on but there not off on cloud nine either. I wasnt the one instructing my moderators to align themselves with theives agaisnt Kingsnake you were. I wasnt the one telling theives how I was so happy there was no longer tension between us YOU WERE! I know you are going to have your supporters who are going to back you no matter what and thats all great but theres alot of other people reading this scratching their heads saying geee that makes sense a web site to catch theives and the owner is freinds with theives. Hummm I dunno........ again I am going to ask were did the thread go intitled "Adam Block this is how hes been treating me"? It wasnt on here as of 2 weeks ago or so that I looked for it. Have you placed it back up yet? Why was it removed? To me it looks like your protecting him and your atempt to avoid anything I ask and you run around with all this diversion "oh Jason this Jason that" only re-enforces my feelings that you have gotten personally involved with some of these guys and your protecting them. To me you seem desperate to point the finger in any direction but the one your standing in. If I am wrong and youd answer my questions Id shut up and go away, but the more you run in circles the more it makes me think I am on to something. So whats up with the running off topic again wernt you warning people for that in another thread. Now is everyone aloud to do that or just you?

 

[Kevin Kaley]

Apparently Adam is easy prey now and this whole thread was unnecessary, except to lynch him just a little higher. [/B]

I think this thread was more of a "bad guy" responce than a "inquiry". Except you had not bought anything from him.

 

[HerpVenue]

Adam Block (Inquiry)
How many people have bought from Adam Block?
I want to know your experiences.

Has anyone bought Albino ball pythons from him?
Has anyone bought Piebald ball pythons from him?

I am asking because I was visiting his website....
and I noticed he states that he is sold out of piebalds and albinos..

So I would like to know who bought them.
http://www.angelfire.com/nv/impactreptiles/current.html

Thank you.

Where again does it say "bad guy"
Listen. Listen good.
I REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY want to find these people who bought the albinos and piebalds. Hence the inquiry. All those "Bad Stuff" in this thread can get erased. I do not care. I just want to find those people who bought the stuff I asked about.

 

[WebSlave]

Oh yes, thanks for remining me Jason, but I left something out in the explanation I posted.

Jason is trying real hard to get himself banned from this site. Why? Well he is trying to do that so then he can point to that action as being quite the same as Jeff Barringer's actions with banning the mention of my site on kingsnake.com.

So why would Jason Sweigart be so hell bent to do that for Mr. Barringer's sake, I wonder?

I don't know. You figure it out.

 

[KelliH]

I wish you guys would just stop this crap. It's ridiculous and what purpose does it serve? And for the life of me I cannot figure out why ya'll are fighting over someone like Adam Block? Pretty foolish.

 

[Classic Dum's]

Jason is trying real hard to get himself banned from this site. Why?

I am still curious as to where you came up- with this crazy idea. Now wernt you yelping at people in the other forums about making stuff up?? Because thats all your doing here Rich, my intent has NEVER to get banned. So go ahead and keep making things up and keep trying to miss lead people. But when people in here do the same dont go barking at them. This is a fabricated lie and NOTHING more. This is really beneath you Rich, your more desperate then I thought. I have never called your a liar before but know I am saying flat out you are a liar because that quote above is a lie.

 

[WebSlave]

I rest my case.

 

[The BoidSmith]

I'll second Kelly's opinion.

As a parent of a teenager one always learns something new. Today for example she was singing a song by "Pink (sp ?)", whose lyrics go something along these lines: "...I'm a hazard to myself...Don't let me get me...I'm my worst enemy..." Interesting!

 

[Seamus Haley]

Oddly I think I'm going to be a bit of a voice of reason here...

Issues on Fauna and on the BOI should be kept seperate from one another. I know full well that it's impossible to remain truely 100% unbiased on future issues with people who you have agreed or disageed with in the past but if people realize that their comments and emotions are being influenced by past events that can truely be called unrelated then it becomes easier to be impartial.

Using Adam as an example... I disagree with Adam's reccent actions attempting to work against N.E.R.D., I expressed this. I agreed with Adam's thoughts about Kingsnake, if not his means of dealing with it, I expressed this and supported his comments.

The comments I made on the issues were specific to the topic, related to the individual threads and rarely made issue of any past occurrances, except minimally to establish character.

Point being... Your hatred for Adam has no real place on this thread Jason, your return to the KS threads have no real place on this thread... If you purchased an albino or a piebald from Adam, state so. If you did not, your comments aren't really warranted, there are plenty of old threads related to your specific problems with him that you can post an addendum to saying "I'm still really angry about this." at the end of.

Here's where I go out on a huge limb...

Where again does it say "bad guy"
Listen. Listen good.
I REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY want to find these people who bought the albinos and piebalds. Hence the inquiry.

Ritchie, as much as I have called others out for attempting double speak and saying something without directly saying it...

Your intentions seemed pretty obvious to me (if I'm really wrong, let me know)... You were trying to find more dirt on Adam to support a potential full fledged "Bad Guy" post... As much as Adam's conduct hasn't been something I personally approve of, there really isn't enough hard evidence as of yet to really call him a bad guy... Dissatisfied customers, problems with vendors... forgive the expression please but... "Pain in the ass" is warranted, but not "Bad Guy" quite yet.

I don't condemn those actions because I personally feel that, if there is bad guy evidence, then the label is deserved... but be honest, when you posted the inquirey as you did... you knew full well that it would quickly turn into a lot of people bringing up the posts running currently about his newest issue... You also knew that people would jump on any oppurtunity to cast just a few more dispersions on his character, that willingness would probably get you the information you were looking for very quickly too. Again, I feel they are deserved and I use the same methods myself on occasion but... when confronted with it, don't deny it.

If you really can honestly say that your ONLY motive for this thread was to find out about his ball python production, and this inquirey was in no way influenced by any other events, I will believe you if you state this directly.

If there was an underlying motive of additional evidence collection, as I suspect there was... there's nothing wrong with stating that outright either. Adam's conduct warrants some closer investigation into his practices and there's nothing unacceptable about saying that you're looking at him closer than other people because of the other reccent events surrounding him.

 

[HerpVenue]

Yes you are right. I was looking for dirt.
but I do not want all this dirt that got posted. They are the wrong dirt .

The dirt I want is whether or not someone bought the pythons.
All this other stuff was unintentional. I was not thinking when I posted. I did not know it would turn to all this other stuff.

If this all disappeared I would not mind.
But I still would like to know who bought those pythons.