Aline Reptiles - Good Guy

[Lizard Lair]

Brown-nosing Kalam - NOT

Actually Lane is not defending Kalam out of a desire to remain on good footing with him so she can have an "in" on future animals. She is out of chameleons now, her pursuits have gone in a totally different direction. She is a very strong believer in standing up (forcefully) for what she thinks is right and fair. After learning through experience that kalam is not the type of guy most people were portraying him as, she (and I) naturally support him. Of course we are going by our own experiences, and the experiences of others we have spoken with. He has been nothing but honest and fair in his dealings with us. The people that have had such good experiences with Kalam & Aline Reptiles need to be vocal about it to offset the few that have had a problem. There is not one breeder/importer/exporter that has not had deaths, illness or problems. We are, after all, dealing with delicate animals in additon to some of them being wild caught. What counts is how you handle the problems that arise with your customers. I have had 2 animals that were not well that I bought and Kalam was very quick on making an exchange for me - no questions asked. But I have bought a lot of animals from Kalam and the vast majority of them have been EXCELLENT! Just look at Lucifer & Tequila on our website for example. They do not suck.

 

[ddmadson]

It would be the right thing to do...

M. Ostergaard isn't entitled to a free pair or one animal just for clueing Aline in to were to find the Mitsios. On the other hand it would be the nice thing for Aline to do, especially when he is charging $450 and up for an import. That is pretty good money he is making off of a friendly tip. Consider it like this, if someone gave you the winning numbers to that night's lottery wouldn't you feel obligated to throw a little money their way. If you don't, then you're a cheap SOB pure and simple. That might be the case here with Aline but I don't know because I haven't bought anything from him. I have heard good stories about his animals but these aren't the first bad stories I've heard either.

Regarding Lizard Lair's post, Legendcham didn't get out of Chameleons because she was virtuous, she was killing all her stuff. She says that Mythical chameleons is charging too much for their animals? Weren't you guys on KS classifieds the other day charging $450 for a fresh import? Maybe you guys aren't charging alot because so far the offspring that you've produced have been second rate at best. Those Picassos that you sold a while ago look like garbage in comparison to the things people have posted that they have gotten from Mythical Chameleons. You might also want to consider that you might pay more with them but at least the animal is going to live. I have never heard of one of their animals dying on anyone except the female that you had and sold to the Sea_in_the_city guy from KS and that was described as an older female. On the other hand I have heard alot about animals dying that people have recieved from Lizardlair/Legendchams. If anyone cares to look through the KS Chameleon forum you'll see all these "sad vet visits", or "help my Chameleon's eye is shut" from Jovcham and Sea_in_the_city and those are all animals that were dumped by Lizardlair/Legendcham.

Shelly says that Lane doesn't need to kiss Aline's butt. That might be the case, in Bizarro World, but you are still into Chameleons Lizardlair to that doesn't get you off the hook. Your header message after all reads, stop brown-nosing Kalam - NOT. I assume we are to think then that you are for sure not going to stop brown nosing Kalam then?

Dennis D. Madson

 

[cyberfrog]

this thread is one of the big reasons I don't mess with chameleons! Too much drama.....

 

[Zoo Supply]

Agreed

Agreed that it would be nice to receive a "reward" for helping someone out, especially if it makes that person money. However, I certainly would never EXPECT it to happen.

If he wanted something in return he should have had it in writing from the get go. And he certainly should have made it known to Kalam that he wanted something in return.
Tom Snyder

 

[aline reptiles inc]

Our response to you is very simple

Let me refresh your memory (MADS).
We have explained to you 4 months ago what happened with your shipment.
why did you ever mentioned at all that we in good faith did return the money we owed you as agreed over the phone by both of us.
if we were trying to scam you then why would we have return $900.00 plus $600.00 ( discount of the real prices).
We were of the belief at that point ( 4 months ago) that this was a done and settled deal.
As for you giving us the informationon the Mitsio range, thank you, but as you already know , with all information in the world,
we were still unable to import that range on the shipment you purchased animals from.
The range information,by that time was available from several other sources.
You, yourself even posted the pictures on kingsnake photo galeries,
In the meanwhile,after you got the shipment , you said that everything looked great, you were very happy.

Even with all that, it was our intention to do good by you for that information but,as we have not heard from you ( other than second hand, you were still upset) since the conclusion of our last conversation that at the time mutually agreed to.
When we did get the mitsio animals in the country, we believed that if you were interested in doing business with us , then, you would contact us .
That shipment was well known to be here IN THE USA for weeks before we got them in....... but we did not hear from you untill this.
At this time, all I have to say is that bringing up a transaction that was settled in agreement 4 months ago and making false accusations , claims and threats in public forum instead of going to the source of your problem, make us disinterested in any further business transaction with you, and definately does nothing for us waiting to bend any further than we both agreed to and did 4 months ago.
We feel that this explanation to you has taken up too much of our time already.
Do whatever you feel like doing but just remember, it has been
became as public issues now.
We do also still have all documents , if fauna classified would like to see all of them, we are more than happy to do so.
TO OUR HAPPY CUSTOMERS,
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR SHARING ALL OPINIONS ABOUT "ALINE REPTILES' COMPANY .
IT ALWAYS FEELS GOOD TRYING TO DO THE BEST WE COULD, BUT WE ARE NOT THE BEST EITHER.
THANK YOU,
ALINE REPTILES, INC.
KALAM AZAD
ALINE AZAD

 

[Legendcham]

Aline GOOD GUY!!!!!!!!

I do not know, nor have I ever sold any chameleons to ddmadison. I do know however that all of his posts on Kingsnake
have been removed. Not one nice comment, since he registered
to post on Kingsnake on 5/29/04. Shelly and myself do not
need to lower ourselves to answer unfounded comments like
that. Too bad that this has been turned into a personal attack
thread. Enough said, if anyone would like to accuse us of
conducting unethical business practices then they can start a
new thread, with PROOF, and we will address the issue. I would
personally like to thank, Kalam and Aline, for taking good care
of my customers. Both of you have done more than what would
be required to make sure that our valued customers were
satisfied with their purchases. The old tried and true statement,
" what comes around goes around" applies to the people who
have lied, stolen and cheated to get their way. My final post
on this subject!

Thank you,
Lane Gergely
Legendcham

 

[ddmadson]

The REAL Legendcham exposed...

Legendcham,
It sounds more like you are willing to throw around wild accusations about Ivan but when someone puts out there a valid gripe about you all the sudden you are too good to go to that level. Maybe is more that you have no defense for my claims? As for me only putting bad posts on KS, of course you would say that and that is because since I found you are masquerading around as a honest breeder I have taken upon myself to expose you for what your really are, a scalper. I have heard that term used for someone else but I think it fits you perfectly as that is really all you do, buy from Aline and turn around and sell the animals for $450 like that male Lucifer. The one and only clutch you’ve hatched out wasn’t even good and was from an imported gravid female. So tell me, can you really call yourself a breeder? As for you not knowing what I am talking about, a pretty big lie on your part, here are the links to the KS threads where people are talking about loosing their animals that they’ve gotten from you: Your puppet Shelly had posted in your defense on a thread I started that was deleted so please don’t try to say you have no idea what I am talking about:

About eye problems: http://forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=474728,474728 and http://forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=472563,472563

About dying chameleons you’ve sold: http://forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=471032,471032

WC you sold that isn’t eating and loosing weight: http://forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=469355,469355

About having to put down a Chameleon you sold that was FULL of parasites: http://forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=468306,468306

Well Cracky, deny all this. Sure, you might have whined to the forum moderator to take my posts down on KS but that was to be expected. Kingsnake after all is really just a bubbles and gum drops site anyways and will delete anything that goes against the status quo, I am sure Fauna members can vouch for that. The only problem for you now Lane is that you can’t cry to Webslave to get this buried. So please, try to wiggle or slither out of this one Legendcham because I doubt you can.

Dennis Madson

…As for buying anything from you that would never happen. I don’t deal in B grade animals with parasites.

 

[Legendcham]

I did not sell a w/c Ambanja to the person mentioned, so I will
contact her and have them dispell your lie. I did not sell
any chameleons to jovicham either. Show proof! Please provide
invoices that show Legendcham/Lizardlair and or credit card
reciepts. Better yet have the people that you mentioned come
forward.

 

[screameleons]

My experience.

I've already stated that I was happy with Aline reptiles. But here is a little detail of why I was so happy, and why I believe Kalam stands by his business.

I purchased a group of these animals that Mads identified. Mitsios, Mafanas, Soabanas....whatever you want to call them. Out of the four animals I recieved, only one was in bad shape. I immediately contacted Kalam and told him that the animal was in bad shape. Without even asking, Kalam replaced the animal, and I had it in my possesion in 48 hours. He paid for the shipping and box charges. He simply requested that if the sick animal were to survive, that I contact him, and we could work something out.

This is just an objective view of what experiences I've had with him.

Vincent

http://www.screameleons.com

 

[ddmadson]

Sure Lane...

So it seems that now you are going to put your "partner" in front of the firing squad. Either you or Shelly sold that Ambanja to that Toni woman, so which one was it? As for Jovcham not directly getting the animal, One Eye, from you she got it none the less and in the same condition he would have been in if it would have stayed with Sea_in_the_city. He was loaded with parasites and not just a couple, that animal was puking up worms.

Please Legendcham prove that those parasites are make believe and that One Eye, a well established animal in country for over a year, didn't die because you couldn't take care of him. You can't lean on the fresh wild caught crutch to keep you upright on this one. I've heard that supposedly you were feeding him some special diet to keep the parasites at bay, what a load of BS. Please explain to everyone this special diet that is sooo good that it stops parasites dead in their tracks. Guess what, you won't be able to because there isn't any real or make believe diet that can do that - except in your crazy multiple minds as I think Mythical Chameleons put it.

I noticed something in your post. You didn't bring up that CB female that died right away under Sea_in_the_city's care. What about that female, Silk, who immediatly developed eye problems so bad that it looked like she was going to have to utilize an eye patch for the rest of her days?

Regardless if these people post or not on this thread it doesn't change anything. They've posted these experiences on KS and if they don't bring it here it is probably because they don't want to get involved. If anything you strike me a pompus person that throws around the idle, "I'm going to sue you if you don't stop telling the truth about me and my animals" type of person so that could very well be the case too.

The best part about all this Lizardlair/Legendchams is that I don't have to prove that I am right, YOU are the ones that have to prove that I am wrong. If what I am saying isn't the case then you should have no problem discrediting me and would have done it already. So, the ball is in your court I am up by 2.

Dennis "there is no I in" Madson

 

[Lizard Lair]

Why don't you calm down a bit?

I have several things to say about the chams that went to Doug. 3 of them came from me. The Ambaja male "Orion" was gorgeous and in prime conditon. I raised him from a baby. Doug has posted his picture on the gallery and had many compliments. So - no complaints on that one. Now about Silk & Big Old Broad. I also raised Silk from a baby. She did have a minor respiratory infection that responded very quickly to Baytril. Doug had full knowledge of this before buying. When she recovered & was eating well I shipped her to Doug. I also discounted her because of her past illness. Doug only paid $200. She had never had an eye infection the entire time I owned her. Never! I was extremely shocked to hear about it. As for Big Old Broad.....she was a huge ambanja female wild caught that didn't acclimate right away. Doug has said he wanted her anyway and to please ship. She was way to thin to send anywhere and I refused to ship her. When she started eating VERY well, and had doubled her weight I told Doug that she was ready to go. I have pictures to proove the condition of Big Old Broad when I shipped. But, because of her huge size, plus she seemed to be an old chameleon I TOLD Doug that I was not comfortable with charging him full price for her because I honestly felt that with her apparant age there was a chance she would not be a long-time breeder for him. I sold her for $50!!!! Come ON people - does this sound like trying to rip somebody off? I had a lot of conversations with Doug and exchanged quite a few e-mails and felt like I was dealing with a mature decent person. But a decent person would not have stood by while I was wrongly trashed on Kingsnake and not spoken out about the full facts of these transactions. As for One Eye - he came from Legend Cham. As soon as Doug expressed his unhappiness with One Eye Lane immediately offered to buy him back. What more can a person do than that? You try to stand by the animals that have been sold. Full money back - no questions asked. Isn't that good business ethics? Everybody is in a rush to place blame, why not be totally fair and study BOTH side of the story? Have an open mind for crying out loud! That leave the issue of the one female that died. Doug never contacted Lane about the cham having problems, or even that she had died. How does that give a breeder any opportunity to show good faith and do the right thing? As for the ambanja to Toni - neither one of us sold an ambanja to her. She bought that animal elsewhere.

Now for buying Lucifer from a wholesaler and reselling retail. Hmmmm, isn't that what business is? I don't hear you slamming the other breeders and people who buy wholesale & resell the animals. After all, this is a business. You know - to make money? It's just that we choose to make money in an enjoyable way, with creatures we love. You are also wrong on thinking I'm still in the chameleon business. I have very few breeders left. When they are gone there will only be babies from the eggs we now have. I, too, will be gong in a different direction. Neither Lane or I are hurridly selling off sick animals so we can get our money back before they die. Both of us are to ethical to do such a thing. That sort of behavior is abhorrent and wouldn't even enter our minds. When Legend Cham had her big sale there were approximaately 35 animals sold. The death rate was 2. Both from the same buyer.

 

[screameleons]

Another objective experience.

I have purchased animals from Lane at Legend Cham. The two females I recieved from here were both healthy and grew at an alarming rate. To date they still have yet to give me any health problems. I also purchased a juvenile male from her as well. She had told me that he had been in captivity for about 1 month, and advised me to immediatly take him to the vet. He had a minor skin irratation, that the vet told me was common with fresh imports. It was nothing serious and he's doing great. Prior to purchasing the WC, she gave strict instructions on what to expect. She priced the animal accordingly as it was a WC.

Vincent

http://www.screameleons.com

 

[projectpardalis]

I have recieved 4 chameleons from Lane and Shelly and all arrived alive and in good conditon and continue to thrive. I know of two other people that have also bought chameleons from Lane and Shelly recently and their chameleons also are doing very well. As far as Lucifer being a "B" grade animal and paying too much for him i'd have to say you dont know what you are looking at. the pictures you have sen do not do him justice! Do I feel I payed too much for Lucifer or feel taken advantage? i can only say that i payed alot more then $475 for a chameleon I bought from Mythical and Ivan new how bad I wanted his male offspring because I had emailed him twice a month for three months and turned down two other chameleons he had offered me.

dennis

 

[alfon76]

Oh boy. Where to start?
Let me start with Kalam since he has been the most vocal so far against me with weird accusations. I am going to try and paste your quotes Kalam so that my response makes sense. For everyone else, be warned that this is going to be loooong.

FIRST OF ALL, I STARTED NOT TO LIKE YOU BECAUSE YOU TRIED TO STILL MY ANIMALS IN MY OWN FACILITY, WHEN I CUT YOU , YOU WERE CRYING LIKE A BABY AND BAGGED FOR FORGIVENESS.

I tried to steal your animals? You seem to like to accuse people of thieves. You have accused about every importer in South Florida of stealing from you, you have accused clients of yours of stealing from you, you have accused friends of yours of stealing from you. Are you sure you are not the thief and like accusing others? The only incident that I can think you consider of being theft is that one incident with the tiny, tiny chameleons you got in, that we were considering purchasing from you. Now, if you want me to tell my side of the story it might make you look bad and you know why. After I checked on your book and saw what those babies were, I went and told you and you were already mad, so you knew those animals were in there from the beginning and just got mad that I stumbled upon them. I didn't know what they were but they sure were different, so your accusing me of being a thief is a little strong words for someone like you. However, just let me know if you want me to tell the story here for everyone to read.

AFTER THAT WHEN I STOPPED YOU FROM COMING TO MY PLACE.

I recall going to your place about 2 more times after that "incident" where I tried to "steal" from you. So much for banning me from your fortress. Why would I really need to steal from you? I am not the one asking people to lend me money to pay bills.

AND THE REASON WHY WE DO NOT LET ANYBODY KNOWS WHEN OUR SHIPMENT COMES IN ( SECRETLY), BECAUSE OF SOMEBODY LIKE YOU , TAKING ADVANTAGE OF PEOPLE BEING BUSY.

You mean, the fact that you let the boxes lay outside while you take your time drinking coffee and sleeping in? I remember Aline having to do all the hard work and cleaning all the rooms while also having to cook and take care of the kids. All we did there was try to help under your guidance so as not to mess anything up. I don't recall you ever acting busy, however you were always present to supervise everyone else at work.

I OFFERED YOU ,WHATEVER NEED TO BE DONE TO KEEP HER ALIVE ," JUST DO IT" , WHICH YOU DID, THANK YOU,I TOLD YOU THAT "I WILL PAY THE BILLS ",BUT NO, YOU WANTED TO BE CARED OF WHAT ANIMALS YOU WANTED IF THERE WERE ANY OFF THE SHIPMENT ( LIKE GIVING BETTER PRICES).

The female Parsonii that I got in to care for was in really bad shape and her male counterpart died before I could even do anything. You must remeber that whole drama that developed before and after you got this pair of chameleons returned to you, right? Well, I can say that I have the records and the Xrays we took of her while she was at the clinic. I was in constant communication with you via phone to keep you updated on her status. The total costs were not too steep because I was giving you cost on almost everything. You asked to pay the bills and I told you that I would give you a total later, then you said that "I take care of you next shipment". That meant to me that you were going to pay me in chameleons. That was fine with me and I left it at that and never submitted an invoice for you to pay. You called one day to check on the female Parsonii and then you surpised me by telling me we could have her because of all the time I had invested on her. I asked you a few times if you were sure about this and you insisted. Once we thought she belonged to us we even gave her a name and added her to our personal chameleon porfolio. A few months later you asked me to buy her from you. I was stunned but what was I supposed to say. You pulled an "Indian giver" move on me and all I could tell you was that I couldn't afford it. You then told me to bring the Parsonii during New Year's Eve and that you will give me "very good price". I got only a few animals that were supposed to be set aside by you for me only to find out later that the best ones were already picked. I even told you afterwards that if you would have told me the truth, I would have not been mad at you but you like to try and keep everyone "happy" by lying to everyone.

YOU WERE SELLING BABY CHAMELEONS TO YOUR COSTUMERS,
SOMEBODY ELSES' HIGH BRED CHAMELEONS AND TELLING THEM THAT YOU BRED THEM.

Well, you might want to check your reliable sources on that. I traded many chameleons with many breeders. Every chameleon that I sold was sold as either CB or CH. All the CB that I sold as my stock, were bred here by me and from my stock. The chameleons I sold as CH were either hatched here and raised by me (not bred by me because the female came in gravid) or hatched by other breeders (more than one) and raised partially by me. Don't try to pull this little fast one on me because I was not selling WC babies as CB to people here in the USA and overseas. Does that ring a bell?

I ALSO REMEMBERD WHEN YOU TOLD ME THAT THE REASON WHY YOU WANTED TO SELL MORE BABIES AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE YOU WANTED TO PAY OFF YOUR DEBTS TORWARD THE GOVERNMENT

The whole reason I was breeding chameleons and selling them was to generate extra cash to pay my student loans. You want to make it sound like I was in trouble with the IRS or something, hehehe. Thank God, everything kept going well for me and now I don't need to keep breeding a lot of chameleons. I am not saying you were always a bad person Kalam, you treated me right initially. But you always kept a cloud of lies to protect yourself and to keep everyone thinking they got the best or they got "first pick". As long as everyone you provide animals to think that they are being treated right, I am sure you will do ok. But don't expect me to take your insults and your lies and accusations and lay low.

WHEN THE GENTLEMAN MADE THE ORDER TO US, YES, YOU WERE HERE.
I SEPAREATED HIS ORDER, IF HE GOT NOSYBE FEMALE INSTEAD OF AMBILOBE , THEN YOU SWITCHED THE ANIMAL WHEN I WENT TO MAKE THE INVOICE.
I STILL DO NOT KNOW WHY YOU ALWAYS TOLD ME "NOT TO GIVE THEM THE BEST ANIMAL"S AND THEY ALSO ASKED ME OF "WHY IS IVAN ALWAYS GET THE BEST ANIMALS NOT US"?

When the gentleman made the order, and he is a true gentleman, I was at my house in Orlando. He called me to tell me he placed an order with you. I must be pretty damn fast to run to Miami, switch the females, then run back to Orlando. A 4 hour trip in just 0.0005 seconds. You might not remember but I was rarely there when you were packing orders for other clients. At least it was never chameleon orders. I was only at your place once to receive the shipment from the airport, all the other times I arrived to a shipment that was already unpacked. Your top clients already picked what they needed and I ended up, more than a few times, getting mixed locale females labeled as Ambilobes. The babies had to be sold wholesale or as "pet quality" chameleons but never as pure. If anyone mixed females, it was you and nobody else. If I recall correctly you have already been accused of this by other chameleon breeders in the past. I don't really think it was because you wanted people to pay more for them but because you ran out so quickly of some locales, that you took other females for your other cages and moved them. That way you always had pairs for sale.

YOU SHOULD BE STILL HAPPY FOR GETTING NOT ALL BUT SOME OF THE BEST ANIMALS AT CHEAPER PRICES.

I am very happy. I was extremely happy and it shows not only with the animals but with the good guy posts I did before. I stood up for you more than once with people that wanted to see you fall. It was never in a public forum but it was on private emails. We HAD a friendship and I will never deny it. You treated me good more than once, and I will never deny that either. I thank you for all the good things you did for me before you decided to think I was a thief and decided to make up your own stories. Remeber that I helped you many, many times as well but I don't think I need to start bringing those up.



This was just a thread to say "good guy" or "bad guy" and why. I did that and everyone else did the same. It then became a personal war. I have no problems typing here forever. I don't need people to read this and say "Ivan is the greatest person in the world" but I will not allow you to say lies. Many of the members here know that I am right but will not speak up because they have to do business with you and I totally understand. Just keep about your business Kalam and continue to do good for your current clients because you will be ok. Just don't go back to your old tricks because you will find yourself in this same position sooner or later with different people.

Sorry for this long and possibly boring post.

 

[alfon76]

LegendCham

This post is for you Lane.

You keep saying that I stole that baby chameleon from you. Sigh! How can I steal a baby chameleon that you offered?
You purchased the only baby I could produce from Kraken and it was a female. The ONLY one! I offered to sell her to you because I needed to get money to place a down payment on the Veterinary Clinic I was going to purchase. You agreed to everything because you wanted her to breed with One Eye. You were extremely happy with the opportunity and offered a baby "picasso" as a token of your gratitude. You still say this is not true?
Well here are pasted emails between you and me.

<----- Original Message -----
From: ivan alfonso
To: Lane Gergely
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 4:59 AM
Subject: Re: Panthers


I am thinking I will let you have the females from Cyclops for $200 just because I know how much you fell in love with him so the least I can do is give you a good deal on her. The Ambanja female I can let her go for $250 and we can do the same we did last time as far as shipping which means I can ship on your account or you can pay me for shipping. Either way works for me so let me know if this is ok with you.

Take care,
Ivan>

This email proves that I didn't sell you ONLY overpriced animals and nothing else. You paid very little for females that anyone else paid a lot more, AND you got to see them here in person.

<----- Original Message -----
From: Lane Gergely
To: ivan alfonso
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 9:50 PM
Subject: Re: Fenrir


Ivan,

I just got back in town and checked my e-mail. I hope that your decision not to sell Fenrir or any
future animals is not based on the Picasso issue. To be very honest with you Shelly is doing the
web-site and sales for my animals, because as you know I have very little time to deal with the public.
She is willing to do the work on the web-site and handle the sale of the chams to the general public.
I had not seen what she put in there till I got your e-mail, but I did go to the Picasso page. I think that
it is a very honest middle of the road postiton on the whole Picasso issue. It is mentioned in the
wording that Picasso is a trade name that Olof Pronk put on a chameleon that nobody that I have
talked to knows for sure where they came from. As for the praise of Olof, maybe she does put him
in a favorable light, but he has never been dishonest with me. He did do what he told me that he was
going to do, and I wish the man no harm. As I have told you before he is the only exporter that I trust
on the females. We are trying to be as honest as possible, unlike other people in this business. Tony
and I have built Sure-Life and Legend on absolute integrity. Again I hope that I have not offended you,
I value our friendship. Have a wonderful New Years with Divy. I had planned to send you a Picasso
in two to three weeks. Do you still want one?

Lane>

You are offering one baby to me. Why would you ask if I still want one if there was a deal where I was supossed to trade you? That doesn't make any sense, don't you think?


----- Original Message -----
From: Lane Gergely
To: ivan alfonso
Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 7:07 PM
Subject: Re: hold back brothers to your Picasso male


Ivan,

I am going to send the Worm-Saver. That is the liquid that I was telling
you about. You are
going to need that product, since you are getting your worms at Wal-Mart.
I am sure that the
worms that you are getting are packed in a plastic container, and DMF is
the supplier. They
buy grade C worms real cheap. I will send instructions, you do not need
to use much at all.
We have several distributors in Florida that sell worms wholesale. Tony
is real good friends
with Pollards Bait in Leesburg, FL. I will talk to Tony and see if we can
pull some strings
for you. I will call Clint Pollard myself, then e-mail you his phone
number etc.

Lane
No charge on the Worm-Saver.
----- Original Message -----
From: "ivan alfonso" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 1:30 PM
Subject: RE: hold back brothers to your Picasso male


> Hi Lane:
>
> They are definitely looking good. If you havea 1.1 kinktails, I guess
I
> can have the female as it makes an interesting experiment to try and
> determine if it is a genetic problem or nutritonal deficiency.
>
> I will paypal you the money for the shipping tonight or tomorrow AM. You
can
> ship to me Monday for Tuesday delivery. I will send you $40 for shipping
so
> as to cover for the paypal fees. Can you also tell me how much for your
worm
> food and supplements so I can pay for that as well and you can ship them
in
> the same box?
>
> Also, do you know where I can buy wholesale nightcrawlers. I currently
use
> the Canadian ones and the fish love them so I would like to see if you
know
> any wholeslaer that could ship me several pounds or several hundred of
them
> at a good price.
>
> Later,
> Ivan


Notice how at the end of your email to me you say that there is NO CHARGE on the worm saver. Also notice how I offered to pay for it. Am I stealing still? Well, let's see what the next emails reveal.

<----- Original Message -----
From: ivan alfonso
To: Lane Gergely
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 9:38 PM
Subject: Kraken's daughter


Hi lane:

I am including some pics of Kraken's daughter so you can see her and determine if you like her. I can let you have her for $300 and simply because it is you and because I want her to go to a good home. She is pretty mean so don't expect a sweetheart. I also have the 3 babies from Fenrir that are doing good but growing a little slower than I would have wanted. If you want them I'll give you a heck of a deal. $100 each if you get all 3. They are eating 1/8 crickets and fruit flies still because they are not growing as fast as I expected but they are still in good shape. You can keep who you like and sell the others or even sell them to Shelly.

The vitamins are taking a longer time than expected and I might not be able to get a large amount of it at a time. I will let you know when they are available and the exact price so I can send you the biggest size I can get. I am not sure if I will be getting a pint size yet.

Talk to you later,
Ivan>

Again, do you think Kraken's daughter was overpriced? Did I steal all this money from you? Did you get CB females for less than what they are selling now?
Let's go on, shall we?

<----- Original Message -----
From: Lane Gergely
To: ivan alfonso
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 6:41 PM
Subject: Merry Christmas


Ivan,

How are things in Orlando? Have you brought your chams in for the winter? I have Kraken's girl,
and Cyclop's girl in a cage together. They are doing great, in fact they are eating large Superworms
and love them. The Nosey baby is doing good as well. The Picasso babies have all hatched and are
eating me out of house and home! They are huge!!!!!!!!!!!! Have you heard any news on Madagascar?
What is the status of the vitamins? Tony and myself wish you and Divy a very merry Christmas!!!!!!!!
Do the two of you have big plans for the Holidays? Let me know if you want a Picasso, because you
have been so helpful and nice I will just give you one if you want it. Consider it a belated Christmas
present.

Take Care,
Lane>

This one is my favorite one. We have been so helpful to you that you will GIVE me a picasso baby if I want one. GIVE ME ONE! Not trade me one or sell me one. Did I steal from you? Do you still believe it?
Please think it twice before you go around accusing anyone of a thief. I said it once in an email to you, "birds of a feather".

 

[alfon76]

Projectpardalis

Hello Dennis:

I am not sure what to make of your post but I will say this, you paid for an animal you wanted. I showed you pics and went back and forth with you. I even held on to him for a few weeks to wait until you could get the cash. You wanted me to take a deposit and I declined. If you feel now that you paid too much because you got a few WC and CB for way cheaper, then go ahead and sell him or trade him.
Don't make a post where you make it sound as if took advantage of you because you "really wanted that male".
Let me know if you would like for me to post our email exchanges as well.

 

[alfon76]

I meant to say that we held on to the chameleon for a few days and not a few weeks. Sorry about that.

 

[chameleonluv]

Set the Records Straight



The recent post "The Real Legendcham" contained inaccurate information about a post I put on KS a few weeks ago. The KS post was asking for help with one of my Ambanja's which was not eating or drinking WELL. To

SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT

My AMBANJA was not purchased from LEGENDCHAM.

In closing I think a person should be able to ask for help on KS or anyother site and not find that request used inaccurately on this site.

 

[projectpardalis]

clarification

Ivan I never have said I wasn't have with the male you sold me. the fact is he is my favorite I think you could probably see that with all the pictures I post of him and not the others. You can post ALL my emails I could care less, it won't show anything except that I wanted him and only him. I intially DID say it would be a couple weeks till i had the money for him because i had just built a room for the chameleons and money was tight but i ended up sending you the money the same week.

Dennis

 

[chameleonluv]

W/C AMBANJA

Mr. Madson

I am that 'Toni' woman and want to say one more time, I did not buy my Ambanja from either Lane or Shelly. Please refrain from giving out mis-information about my chameleon transactions.

IT IS MY OPINION THAT WHEN AND WHERE I BUY CHAMELEONS IS MY BUSINESS AND MY BUSINESS ONLY UNLESS THE TRANSACTIONS INVOLVES YOU ALSO.

In the future, I would appreciate your not discussing my business.

Toni