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Allen Belcher / Big Daddy's Wholesale ... WARNING

Jim
Out of curiosity does it bother you that an employee walked away from a crappy job then busted his employer out on crappy practices? Is that it?

Right there for all the world to see Allen starts to contradict himself in his own post that you copied and pasted for him but you've yet to even touch it.

Oh wait , that prolly my fault too right? I distracted you or something.
 
Chamco said:
Scott says:
Let's be honest.

You have indeed sided with Allen almost from the beginning of this thread.
.....I'd respect your stance if you didn't keep hiding it behind the thin veneer .......
Disrespect me then. Did I mince words in my last post? I didn't go with the majority on this one Scott. Others got it from my posts, and understood me. You don't !!
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Jim:

This was the complete quote:

Truthfully, I'd respect your stance if you didn't keep hiding it behind the thin veneer of your own very special blend of analysis and hypotheticals.

Disrespect you or your stance on this matter?

I was referring to your stance - As you have invited me - I would invite you to re-read my last post.

As far as disrespecting you - why would I? This isn't personal. We disagree on the fundamental aspects of this thread.

Understand you? I understand you loud and clear as I explained in my previous post.
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It doesn't matter if he was blindsided!!

If doesn't matter if it could have been handled another way!!

It doesn't matter!!!

This was a post to warn potential clients of his substandard practices. PERIOD!!!

Discussing the ramifications the legal mumbo jumbo has nothing to do with the topic at hand!!!

The animals care is substandard!!! End of Story!!!!
 
Bryon ........ errr "dude",
I believe I can accurately say that only I and one other person raised questions about your motivations here, and I believe some called them "tough questions". The other party earned a suspension and fine. The thread is loaded with support for you and condemnation for Allen. Even I had some posts sympathetic to you. I just don't agree with all aspects of how you handled this. I think you made some mistakes.

Did I actually talk to Alabama DNR before you? Have you even contacted them?
 
Is it just me or does anyone else find Jim (Chamco) extremely annoying? I wish there were a "block" option so instead of just skipping over his endless drivel I would just not see it all together. IMHO the BOI would benifit by not having him endlessly post in every single post on the BOI.

Regards,
Corey
 
Chamco said:
Bryon ........ errr "dude",
I believe I can accurately say that only I and one other person raised questions about your motivations here, and I believe some called them "tough questions". The other party earned a suspension and fine. The thread is loaded with support for you and condemnation for Allen. Even I had some posts sympathetic to you. I just don't agree with all aspects of how you handled this. I think you made some mistakes.

Did I actually talk to Alabama DNR before you? Have you even contacted them?
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Jim , if you haven't noticed by now , your posts are useless and no one wants you to comment anymore , nor do they want you invilved in this situation.
 
Folks,

Whether you agree or disagree with Jim, his opinions, conclusions or methods he has every right to be here. Jim is one of the most upstanding people I have met on Fauna and I have the utmost respect for him. Even if I don't agree with him, like on this thread.

You guys are way out of line in my opinion.
 
Sammy, that's an interesting angle.

Sammy says;
Its amazing to me Jim that you take every word that Allen has told you at face value, but question, make innuendos and hypotheticals about every aspect of Bryon's posts. It is YOU SIR, that "just don't get it".
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Try this hypothetical quote:
Its amazing to me "_______ " that you take every word that Bryon has told you at face value, but question, make innuendos and hypotheticals about every aspect of Allen's post. It is YOU SIR, that "just don't get it".
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Sammy, I am not going to take the time to do it, as it would be exhaustive, but I believe that I can take everything that I have stated at "face value" and point to the words or Bryon to support my reason to question it or reference whatever I was saying. I asked Allen some difficult questions, to be sure. He answered. I have deliberately left out most of what he told me, as I don't need it here. Plenty have asked Allen questions here, criticised him, etc. Bryon admitted that he blind-sided Allen. I suspected that he had, and was right. I first raised it in a PM to him this morning. I disagree with some very specific actions by Bryon in this affair. I'm not telling you to change your mind Sammy, or suggesting you "don't get it" because we apparently disagree about where I should be sitting here. I saved that tag for Bryon. I believe it. Hitting the hay soon. Hope some of you get that enema tonight !
 
I already posted to that question. At least we agree to disagree. I shot this whole thing from hip. I asked people for advice. I'm one of those people that has it either black or white. No grey area. Its obvious I never hid the date on the photos . I asked quite a few folks for advice and it was a resounding YES that this info needed to be brought out. Allen knew good and and well that I'd bust him out if he didn't stay on the up and up. I made that clear at the start of working for him. After doing alot of thinking and talking to previous employees I have come to one opinion on all of this. Allen has flown under the radar for quite some time due to employees covering his butt. Myself and others brought the credibility to Allen with the work that was needed on the animals. Unfortunately all of us were stonewalled by bad priorities . I'm the only one who stod up and said " HEY , LOOK , THIS AIN"T RIGHT". I said it to Allen , he's seen it for himself . If he has or had no intention of corecting it then why does he need to be in this biz? We have enough against all of us already.

The only difference between this thread and others is an employee exposed his boss. The dance is still the same . Things were brought to his attention repeatedly , was never corrected . Here it is for all the worlds to see.

If I was going to hit someone would I really say " Hey dude , hold still , I'm going to pop you a goodone ' ? Doubt it. There is way more to this whole episode that just will not come out . Allen won't offer it up and I can't possibily remember everything. I do know most of the last 6 weeks was very bad all around. There is so much " he said , he said " involved in this.

How the info got here to me is beside the point. bad animals , bad conditions were brought to light. No photos were set up or doctored. I didn't ned to.
Allen is doing exactly what I expected. If you get the chance talk to some prior employees , you'll notice a pattern .
 
Wow, this thread has turned into a mud slinging contest. Let's get back to the topic guys, really. I think we all can at least respect others opinions on here. You may not agree with them. Jim has made some good points, but I do agree that he has leaned more towards Allen than Bryon. Why? Who knows? Allen's word seems to be worth more than Bryons. Personally, my gut tells me that Allen is most definately, without a doubt, in the wrong here. Those pictures are disgusting and a disgrace to the community. How anyone could let their animals get to those conditions is beyond me.

Bryon, my only concern was that the authorities had not been contacted, but now, you have come here and responded that they have been contacted. Fantastic. While it is unfortunate that some bad may come of this, laws etc as Ron stated in previous emails, I think that the correction of bad husbandry should be more important.

There, I think that is enough tip toeing for one night...I think one ban today is quite enough! lol
 
LOL ! Thanks Sammy !!! I only have what, about 540 posts in 3 years ? Some people have 4 times that many in less of a span !!! If I wasn't in this thread, who would you disagree with ! Sammy, I do appreciate your words. You other guys need that enema !!
 
I do have much respect for Bryon for bringing this thing public. It took alot of guts knowing he would be shreded by Allen and his buddies. another thing, I have seen people's animals at shows that looked good, but if someone showed me pics like that, I would in no way defend them. I thing Bryon has alot of guts, and I admire that. I have shut my mouth and taken a loss from some big breeders/dealers because of being afraid of hurting my own rep by coming forward. I'm not even going to lie about it.
I'll tell you what, I hadn't even finished this thread before I was in my snake room checking for poop and I just cleaned all 42 snakes yesterday!! That's how disgusting I thought Allen's enclosure's were. I feel guilty if I miss a poop for a day or 2. Horrendous conditions for some beautiful animals, I would be too ashamed to show my face if that was my facility.
 
Lori,
Thanks. People have lost a few things here. Allen is absolutley wrong. Post #1 made that clear. My first post, #27, said Allen was wrong. I have said it a half dozen times and a half dozen ways since. But I am the only one not-suspended saying that IMO Bryon made a few huge mistakes ....... 3 by my count. If that's Allen-leaning, so be it. But I do appreciate your level-headedness.
 
Chamco said:
LOL ! Thanks Sammy !!! I only have what, about 540 posts in 3 years ? Some people have 4 times that many in less of a span !!! If I wasn't in this thread, who would you disagree with ! Sammy, I do appreciate your words. You other guys need that enema !!
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Why do we need enema's Jim? We dont have sick perverted fantasies that you might have.
 
All the posts as to why I started this why and pointing out my mistakes have buried alot of posts that should've seen more light. Now anyone has dig thru alot of crap to get to any of those posts that fell to the way side. Sorry I was the focus of thread instead of why it was brought here. You know , animals kept in bad conditions and such.
 
Since Bryon is wrong in this instance :rolleyes: then I am sure that Allen can be expecting an order from you soon huh Jim? I mean if it's Bryon's personal vendetta and you are comfortable with the way the animals are housed are you going to support Allen's business? Being in wholesale I'm sure he would have something you would be interested in. Is this the type business that you would spend hundreds if not thousands on investment type animals Jim? Looking forward to your good guy post after your package (from Allen) arrives.



Is this really the standard you want the reptile industry held up to?
 
I purposely ignored your previous post because if you truely believed that Allen had kept deplorable conditions why do you keep burying that fact in how he can defend himself. By the way looks like Sal is going to need some more defending. Maybe you can help his thread as well.
 
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