Allen Belcher / Big Daddy's Wholesale ... WARNING

[Bill_Leverton]

You have so much to say, why are you afraid of disclosing your name "Ikabaud Krane". Sorry, but as much as the guy may be a clown, you're an ass to make anonymous posts like this.

And here I thought he was a big Sleepy Hollow fan. ,

 

[Cat_72]

IMO nobody is wrong about anything that is not proven, so here is my new thread

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?p=446518#post446518

Ron, regardless of whether or not anyone knows how IBD is transmitted....the facts are there. The snake was purchased from Allen. The snake died from IBD. The snake was at one time, in his facility. The chance that other snakes could have been infected with IBD is very real, one thing we DO know for certain about IBD is that it is very contagious.

In what discussion I have had with Allen, he has appeared to be actively searching for someplace to do a large amount of testing on live specimens, as no place anywhere near him performs the liver biopsies. It's a step in the right direction at least, if followed through on. Will he be truthful with his results? Only time will tell. But until then, people NEED to know. You can practice the best quarantine procedures in the world, but since a snake is able to be an asymptomatic carrier for a very long time, if I had purchased a snake from Allen, I would reconsider taking a snake out of quarantine, even after an "accepted" time frame, without hearing some real answers here.

I believe Allen needs to step up and let people know where HE got the boas as well.

 

[Bill & Amy]

Will he be truthful with his results?

I think that is the biggest concern right now. How will we know the boas tested will be from his facility etc. ?

 

[Cat_72]

I wish I had an answer, Bill.

*sigh*

 

[Bill & Amy]

wow you didnt go this hard on allen

I beg to differ, read the whole thread. Plus I talked directly to him on the phone (he called), told him that "it's not in his facility" won't fly for an answer. Plus this thread is far from over.

I am all for you spreading knowledge on IBD to the masses. You just have to make sure how you word your sentences and that the info is factual.

 

[floridaboy85]

IBD is the single most destructive thing to hit the boid world. It seams that the only thing that has been PROVEN about it is that it is HIGHLY contagious(read how BW lost all his boas from one animal)and other than that not much is for sure. Pythons take it the worst and die quickly compared to boas. Boas are more likely to be asymptomatic carriers,and seam to incubate the disease longer befor it taking an effect, putting us as boa keepers at higher risk of being infected. This much we seam to know. How is it spread?? Some how even in BW Smith's case IBD made it's way through his intire collection, regardless of his quarentine procedures.

Ron, (I'm just trying to prod you) this needs to be made into a seperate thread. IBD needs to be bold in the heading. This is a seriuos situation not to be taking lightly. I highly doubt that your boa contacted IBD after the fact and died weeks later(IBD doesn't even effect balls that fast). With what we know about IBD and about your transaction with Allen I think it is pretty clear this came from Allen, and if not Allen, who he baught from at the very least but again I highly doubt this hasn't spread into his other animals if these boas were anywhere in the same building.

Now will Allen have the testicular fortitude to do the right thing?? Test his animals,destroy infected animals,quarentine,more tests... If and again If Allen steps up he is going to be spending some $$$ and I don't think he is going to like that. Only time will tell.

Allen are you going to do the right thing??

 

[BryonsBoas]

Ron, regardless of whether or not anyone knows how IBD is transmitted....the facts are there. The snake was purchased from Allen. The snake died from IBD. The snake was at one time, in his facility. The chance that other snakes could have been infected with IBD is very real, one thing we DO know for certain about IBD is that it is very contagious.

In what discussion I have had with Allen, he has appeared to be actively searching for someplace to do a large amount of testing on live specimens, as no place anywhere near him performs the liver biopsies. It's a step in the right direction at least, if followed through on. Will he be truthful with his results? Only time will tell. But until then, people NEED to know. You can practice the best quarantine procedures in the world, but since a snake is able to be an asymptomatic carrier for a very long time, if I had purchased a snake from Allen, I would reconsider taking a snake out of quarantine, even after an "accepted" time frame, without hearing some real answers here.

I believe Allen needs to step up and let people know where HE got the boas as well.

Cathy
I know firsthand after talking to my vet and a few investigators that Auburn University is capable of those tests and performing the biopsies. Not only do they have one of the top vet classes they also have a full blown vet clinic and would most likely be more than happy to to those tests and biopsies if for no other reason than to get some educational purposes out of it. They will still charge Allen for doing it but ya gotta do what ya gotta do.

This information is more from my vet , who sends her samples to them and advised me to go to them for anything she couldn't handle , EVEN LIVE BIOPSIES . The investigators in Phenix City Al. , where Allen had his shop , sends their confiscated animals they can't handle , i.e. exoctics , to Auburn Uni. specifically for the Vetinary classes. Allen is just buying time and considering " Big Daddy's " style names are now popping up on KS makes ya wonder why. Could it be Allen has stepped up to the only plate he knows ? Start a new name and sell under that until it quiets down? His posts through this entire thread has been used for misdirection , smells of scammers handbook and really doesn't add anything to his case . The news article that was posted earlier in thread shows that Allen used different spellings of his name as aliases to throw folks off.

Plus this thread is far from over.

Very far from over.

Sorry raven i cant man, not untill somemore evidence comes up i will not. I dont want to be wrong, thats all. Im not the boy who cried wolf.

And as for other people...They should be taking quarintine precautions, Point blank. If you cant do that then its your fault. I would feel just as at fault as the guy who sold it to me if i would have had any other animals to get the disease at the time. Maybe i should do a thread on quar

What about the animals that slip through quarantine without showing immediate symptoms . IBD can sit and cook inside an animal for quite some time . Consider yourself lucky yours died before being added to your collection . Now , get your head outta your ass and think about others that this will happen to. You are not going to be an isolated case. Not starting the new thread can make you look just as guilty as Allen . You for letting it stay buried here, Allen for selling it.

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD THINK OF OTHERS COLLECTIONS. Think of the animals that could suffer for months or years with disease eating them alive inside and the healthy animals doomed to be infected and suffer the same fate. Entire collections stand the possibility of being lost because you won't cowboy up and put this into its own light where it belongs . The people here that are asking , proding and damn near begging for you to do this are doing so because we are full aware of the potential damage that can come from info being buried here . Bring it out in the open here in the BOI where people can see it and become informed of the possibility of what they are getting into buying from Allen. Not sure why this is such a hard decision , think of your loss by the hundreds or more and do the right thing.

 

[airtrixx]

Warning Ibd

This Thread has been posted by way of popular demand...I had purchased a baby boa in september of this year from Allen Belcher of Big daddys wholesale. After having the animal for three weeks it died, i had pathology tests done and ibd was the culprit. Here is a copy of my report...

Also i would like to refer anyone with other questions to this thread which explains ALOT.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75369&page=93&pp=5

 

[mattjillson]

Do you have any proof? Maybe a copy of the pathology report you can scan and post? Saying you have something is a far cry from providing it for everyone to see, especially when you don't even post your name.

Matt Jillson

 

[mattjillson]

Cancel that, for some reason the scan wasn't opening when I viewed the thread.

Matt Jillson

 

[The BoidSmith]

Although I’m outraged at that fact that “it’s possible” that Mr. Belcher might have IBD in his collection, I do understand Ron’s concerns. He wants to have all his facts straight before throwing a bomb out there. What you are asking from Ron is to put his head in the grinding mill. What if it ends up that the snakes at Belcher’s facility are free of IBD? Wouldn’t Ron be held accountable for disseminating false information? It’s easy for use here sitting “on the bleachers” to ask someone else to go out on a limb. We can’t decide for Ron what he should or shouldn’t do. Let him be the one to make his own informed decisions when he feels he is ready to. On a side note Ron, I used to moderate the GBD. In my opinion your post would be a better fit for other forums. People would probably not go there to discuss that tropic.

Thanks

 

[airtrixx]

I would like allen to know that i did not want to do it, but i was taking heat from everysingle person so when the vote is all to one, i had to.

 

[The BoidSmith]

This thread will be locked or deleted Ron. You failed to follow the rules when posting the title. The name of the company/person needs to be associated with the topic.

Regards.

 

[Mooing Tricycle]

This thread will be locked or deleted Ron. You failed to follow the rules when posting the title. The name of the company/person needs to be associated with the topic.

Regards.

you just have to ask rich ( nicely!) to change it. People get a chance to change these things before theyre deleted/locked. Some people are somewhat new here, or just dont post as much as others and deserve the chance to rectify a misplaced post. ^_-

 

[airtrixx]

how do i get ahold of rich?

 

[Mooing Tricycle]

how do i get ahold of rich?

Send him a PM, and wait till he responds. Only send one because he gets LOTS of them throughout the day, and im sure its a pain somtimes!

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/member.php?find=lastposter&t=78245

 

[airtrixx]

Send him a PM, and wait till he responds. Only send one because he gets LOTS of them throughout the day, and im sure its a pain somtimes!

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/member.php?find=lastposter&t=78245

I sent to the webmaster With ATTN Rich...will that work?

 

[Jim O]

Although I’m outraged at that fact that “it’s possible” that Mr. Belcher might have IBD in his collection, I do understand Ron’s concerns. He wants to have all his facts straight before throwing a bomb out there. What you are asking from Ron is to put his head in the grinding mill. What if it ends up that the snakes at Belcher’s facility are free of IBD? Wouldn’t Ron be held accountable for disseminating false information? It’s easy for use here sitting “on the bleachers” to ask someone else to go out on a limb. We can’t decide for Ron what he should or shouldn’t do. Let him be the one to make his own informed decisions when he feels he is ready to. On a side note Ron, I used to moderate the GBD. In my opinion your post would be a better fit for other forums. People would probably not go there to discuss that tropic.

Thanks

I couldn't disagree more Dan. I mean that in respect as your opinions are virtually always level headed (as this one is) and generally spot on (not this time, at least not in my opinion). The BOI is for reporting facts and letting people form their own opinions.

Ron has established that his snake died of IBD and that the snake was only in his possession a very short while (about three weeks). Since Ron has no other boids, if I recall correctly, he likely acquired the animal with the condition. He also has established to a near certainty that he purchased the animal from Allen Belcher.

Allen has done nothing but duck the accusations and offer up non-definitive "testing" with no evidence that anything at all has been done to screen his animals.

So the facts are that Ron purchased the animal from Allen, Ron has no other boids, and the animal died three weeks later from necropsy proven advanced IBD. Add to that the fact that Allen is evidently still advertising animals using a different name and I see every reason for the facts to be presented and then let potential buyers beware and make their own decisions. And those potential buyers are more likely to see it on the BOI than elsewhere on this site.

 

[Jim O]

I sent to the webmaster With ATTN Rich...will that work?

Yes, it should.

 

[Bill_Leverton]

Just so it is known he is also going by the name "Big Daddy Ballroom"