animal planet

[gsrept]

one more thing about reptile nation as the usark logo says, United we stand

 

[Fireside3]

So didnt your last message say that you know someone that found 6 in one day. Is it 6 or 7??? I think you are talking out of the brown eye man. So you talk to some people on the phone and know some people. Big deal. I know lots of people and talk on the phone all day. Does that mean I know everything that is going on in every city of every state of this nation??? Hell no I dont!!! I think all you know is the propaganda you are reading and watching and that is it.

I expect nothing less than more lack of due diligence from you in quoting facts or statements. Show me the post where I said six before? Could be the reason you didn't "quote" me on that was because it doesn't exist...

Who is pulling stuff from their ass again?

Oh, I guess now in your logic one must know what is happening in EVERY state and EVERY city before it's an acknowledged problem ANYWHERE!

Your responses I really am finding humorous and grabasstic.

 

[StrictlyExotics]

Mick, Mike, whatever... You sure are arrogant arent you. Are you so arrogant that you are "above" reading through the TOS of this site and posting your full name? Just curious so I know who I am bowing too

 

[Fireside3]

Secondly, YOU point out that WE are all at fault here, well, everyone but you.

Hmmm...show me the post where I named any of you are said you were personally responsible for an invasive species issue? I said irresponsible ownership and importation was.

Your opinion and attitude does serve to discredit the hobby though, because you are serial deniers and playing hypersensitive politics, and it shows that a majority in the hobby can't adopt a responsible opinion on the matter to correct it.

That's why you will only continue to loose ground in the future...More and more laws will be passed because just as you prove here...you refuse to address anything honestly if it impacts your wallet...

Thirdly, just because the general populatin of reptile keepers do not believe in all the "hype" of what our govt tells us, doesnt make us naive.

No...you are naive I can see for many reasons.

You come here and single out my post citing propaganda when, in the very definition of the word, is a factual statement no matter how you wish to twist it.

Just one example of how you are naive.

You assume that an episode on animal planet is a conspiracy which animal planet is complicit in with the government. I thought I had seen some kooks, but that is an extreme reach.

You make no allowance for the fact that if some academic researcher states numbers you don't agree with, that perhaps animal planet decided to use data from the academic herpetologist's work instead of consulting you about it. Maybe they felt the researcher was a better source than you?

Even if the data is not accurate...you assume that

#1 it's intentional and a lie on both the researchers part AND animal planet...
#2 that animal planet is part of a government conspiracy to take away your business and hobby...

My question for you is...are you also a 9-11 "Truther" nut?

You discredit yourself intellectually because you claim "propaganda" about something you don't know to be an intentional lie, first of all.

Secondly, I don't think you have the facts to claim that you know the data to be in error either.

You act like we DONT think that there are problems in the industry...

No, based on your posts, I don't see a lot of acceptance of the problem. Not in this case, nor with the one with USGE. It's all made up conspiracy to you.

Ive owned reptiles for over 20 yrs now and even had an interest them for 30. I dont sell much and I even offer a buy back program so people like you dont end up with my animals.

Yes, because someone like me who would actually put the animals needs and qualifications of the keeper first...and do an adoption rather than sell to who had the money first....that would be bad right?

I didnt want anyhting to do with the animals in the raid. I would have declined had someone even asked.

And I've heard that opinion from several hobbyists who would not have been approved to get the animals in the first place...so if you don't want them, why do you bitch that nobody you know got any?

I would prefer to keep myself out of the back pocket of the HSUS, PETA, as well as the ASPCA.

I'm not in their back pocket and the way I handle my process is much different from theirs. I've voiced my criticisms about how they were handling the herps to the point they threatened to yank me off the project...so bite me.

I dont think anyone here in this thread has said that they wanted those animals as well. Dont even know how that was brought up and for what purpose.

If you couldn't see the relevance to the topic about the problems in the industry/hobby...then buddy, I don't know what to tell you except your hopelesly lost when it comes to honest or lucid discussion.

 

[Fireside3]

Mick, Mike, whatever... You sure are arrogant arent you. Are you so arrogant that you are "above" reading through the TOS of this site and posting your full name? Just curious so I know who I am bowing too

Of course you would claim I am arrogant for my opinion wouldn't you?

Hmm, lets see. This isn't BOI...and I don't spend most of my free time here as many of you do...so tell me has there been another rule change which requires me to post a full name in this forum?...and if so...I WONDER DID YOU CALL OUT ANYONE ELSE WHO POSTED IN THE PREVIOUS SIX PAGES WHO DIDN'T SO SO EITHER!?

 

[Fireside3]

Fireside3 - I think you should read this very good article written by Dave and Tracy Barker over at VPI. The python problem in Florida is not due to irresponsible pet owners releasing animals into the wild, but a natural disaster, a hurricane. There is not one recorded case of someone being caught releasing snakes into the wild in Florida. Know why? Because people spent money on the animals and are far too greedy not to try to sell them when they get tired of them.

http://www.vpi.com/sites/vpi.com/files/OnBurmese_Florida_compressed.pdf​

Yes, I know...nobody ever releases a Burmese or Iguana when they get tired of it do they?...People who think they will be "greedy" and sell certain things quickly find out they aren't worth much, or that they can't give them away. Your opinion shows a lack of experience in this area, or you would know better.

 

[StrictlyExotics]

Of course you would claim I am arrogant for my opinion wouldn't you?

Hmm, lets see. This isn't BOI...and I don't spend most of my free time here as many of you do...so tell me has there been another rule change which requires me to post a full name in this forum?...and if so...I WONDER DID YOU CALL OUT ANYONE ELSE WHO POSTED IN THE PREVIOUS SIX PAGES WHO DIDN'T SO SO EITHER!?

Mick, let me go ahead and point out to you since you are so very observant that EVERYONE's full name is in their sidebar, unlike you

 

[Fireside3]

hey mick do not talk about what you do not know first of all i am a lisensed rehabber in the state of nh i am also a master falconer and a reptile lover the only one i see on the defense and getting heated here is you. what do you rehab stray cats and dogs most of my rehab experience deals with raccoons,fox, deer,grey and red squirels as well as nonnative exotics, my raptors are redtails which infact were released last season back into the wild with telemetry to track and be able to study the population in the state. so i do not know what you do in Texass but stop blaming the reptile hobbyists for the problem in florida, i am not saying there are a few bad apples that would release into the wild. but what about your other problems down there like overrun with chickens, stray dogs , cats these are not native species lets ban all the dog and cat breeds in fl. or is that going to far because there a pet. they also make inpacts on the enviroment lets ban oil drilling o yea obama just gave a open season on oil drilling that is more of a enviromental problem. any who good luck with your rehabilitation of dogs and cats.

Great. You say your a rehabber. Wonderful. I'm wonder if you make excuses to not release small mammals so you can train your raptors in your hobby instead? I'm sure I deal with more wildlife diversity down here than you do in NH. Just try to use some proper punctuation in one post will you? You don't even have the respect for yourself to capitalize first person personal pronouns....geez

 

[WingedWolf]

Animal Planet needs to be boycotted because its programming has gone down the toilet, period. Hopefully, loss of viewers will teach them that they've lost touch with their target audience.
Nat Geo Wild fills the void nicely.

 

[Abby]

Yes, I know...nobody ever releases a Burmese or Iguana when they get tired of it do they?...People who think they will be "greedy" and sell certain things quickly find out they aren't worth much, or that they can't give them away. Your opinion shows a lack of experience in this area, or you would know better.

Show me the proof that someone has released an animal, will you? So you're telling me that Dave and Tracy Barker don't know what they're talking about? Please. Give it up already. I think where the animals come in should be moved to a different location, i.e. somewhere cold where if something does happen to escape, it won't thrive. But you'd be silly to argue with EXPERTS like Dave and Tracy Barker about where the animals came from. The only people at fault here are the ones who are spreading false information, which would be Animal Planet and the media.

 

[Reptileman81]

ALRIGHT DOUCHE BAG STOP TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT. YOU DON'T BELIEVE I DO EITHER SO. READ THIS DAME ARTICLE THAT I POSTED A LINK TO. IT WILL CHANGE YOUR MIND ABOUT YOUR WONDERFUL GOVERNMENT.

http://www.arachnoboards.com/ab/showthread.php?t=168343

 

[Abby]

Off topic, but If anyone needs proof about the government, just watch this...

Orwell Rolls in His Grave

 

[gsrept]

i am all set with this clown. i am not oing to listen to him bump his gums anymore. i have more important things to do than listen to his one sided tree hugger comments.

 

[The Python Lab]

I could argue with this fireside person.... But what would be the point really? He is quite irrelevant actually and seems to contradict himself (A herp keeper who would like to see rights of ownership taken away? ) so I'll let him hang himself, it's much more amusing to just watch. The only thing that is relevant is the attack on honest, committed, caring reptile enthusiasts and hobbyists. The news and government will always use whatever it takes to achieve their desired end result. the common man/woman and what he/she wants and needs will always be overlooked. I know none of my reptiles are roaming Florida, or any other forest, park, or neighborhood for that matter. I am sure most of you would say the same. I am not going to listen to a village idiot who would question my motives or reasoning for having my snakes as pets. There are children in this country and the entire globe that are starving and neglected, I can say with 100% certainty none of my reptiles are.( Maybe they would be of better service addressing that issue ) I love what I do, it's as simple as that. Have I sold snakes? A few, to people I am in contact with and I know they are well cared for. Have I recouped my investments as far as racks, tubs, heat tape, initial snake purchases, food? Not even close. And if this were a business investment then I would have cause to worry. But this is NO BUSINESS INVESTMENT. From chasing garter snakes and frogs and lizards as a kid to keeping snakes and amphibians now I do it because it brings me joy. I find happiness in doing what I do. If this were purely a money making scheme I would have changed my mind not long after the first month of cleaning rat tubs and cleaning up snake feces so I resent anyone saying we are in it for the money. You want to lay claim the Florida issue being one cause irresponsible snake owners ( there were many snakes displaced by the hurricane, bu I'll humor that point ) it has already been established that there are irresponsible dog, cat, bird, fish, and yes I am sure even reptile owners as well. Should we change the laws to punish all for the crimes of the few? While we are at it, there are parents who mistreat, abuse, and even kill their children. Maybe we should pass a law making it illegal to have children unless you have received a permit granted by the government? In closing I would prefer government stay out of my home, my business and my life unless I am already breaking a current law. Creating more laws only stands to either A) Make the government more money in taxes/fines B) Discourages responsible people from having pets of any kind... as that may be the next banned species. We can sit back and watch the shelters fill up... The animals get sick and die. Now there's an alternative. At the very worst, this is our government attempting to take away yet another one of our rights. At best, it is our government trying to tell me I am not allowed to do what I love. Say what you want, it is wrong any way you look at it.

 

[Reptileman81]

WOW man that just touched me. I could not of said it better myself. You really need to post this on the sites where they are taking comments about the banned. This was by far the best argument I have seen.

 

[gsrept]

A+ thats all i need say, thank you

 

[pitbulllady]

Whether nor not he claims to be in the pocket of one or more of the AR groups, this Fireside chap IS, without a doubt. Anyone who supports the basic tenent of the AR philosophy, the elimination of all animal use/owership by humans, is still AR, whether or not they claim to be. Having read his posts, and still wondering why he came here, I have found his stance to be identical to that of virtually every animal "rescuer" and "rehabber" in the country: Only WE(the rescuers)have the knowledge, know-how, expertise, level of caring, experience, and resources to be able to properly keep and care for (insert animal name of choice) animals, so only WE should be allowed to keep them. All animal breeders, sellers, and buyers are the scum of the earth and the cause of all the problems, while WE, the rescuers, are the only ones trying to solve the problems. I've seen this with dog rescue, cat rescue, horse rescue, wildlife rescue, reptile rescue...the list goes on and on. Go to just about any animal "rescue" site on the internet, and you will find that most are against the breeding and selling of ANY animals, support bans on the private ownership and trade in the animals they deal with, support mandatory spay/neuter for domestic animals, etc. There are many "pit bull" rescue groups that are pushing for mandatory spay/neuter of all "pit bull"-type dogs, so that they will gradually become extinct through zero population growth, for their own good, of course, which is EXACTLY the same stance as PETA's. Go to any site claiming to rescue "wolf-dogs" and you will see them railing against people who breed or own such animals. One of the founding members of the API was Pat Darby, who had a big cat rescue organization. I've gotten into some heated arguements with the Catahoula Leopard Dog rescue groups, because I was a breeder at the time and (*gasp*) sold puppies and participated in hog baying trials with my dogs, while it was their goal to eliminate all breeding of that particular type of dog(along with all the many lookalikes and wannabe's). They did not believe that I was qualified enough to have, let alone breed, Catahoulas, and neither were people like Chester Wager, who'd bred Catahoulas in their native Louisiana swamps for over 60 years. Only they-the rescuers-were knowledgeable enough to keep these dogs. Only they-the rescuers-were intelligent enough to be able to place a dog with people they'd chosen, who met their criteria. Only they-the rescuers-were responsible enough to decide the fate of the animals they kept. NO ONE was responsible, intelligent or experienced enough in their minds to actually propogate such dogs. There is no point in arguing with them, as they are far too self-righteous to ever see it any other way. They and they alone are "the Chosen Ones" and everyone else is just the cause of the problems, whether it's abandoned animals, abused animals, too many animals, sick animals, etc., etc.

Thank God that the people who are responsible for fostering and finding homes for neglected, abused or abandoned CHILDREN don't think this way!

 

[lovin2act]

Anybody catch the show on AP called SnakesKin? I watched it for a while last night and it seemed pretty decent!

http://blogs.discovery.com/the_mole/2010/03/the-skinny-on-snakeskin.html

 

[blitz373]

Show me the proof that someone has released an animal, will you? So you're telling me that Dave and Tracy Barker don't know what they're talking about? Please. Give it up already. I think where the animals come in should be moved to a different location, i.e. somewhere cold where if something does happen to escape, it won't thrive. But you'd be silly to argue with EXPERTS like Dave and Tracy Barker about where the animals came from. The only people at fault here are the ones who are spreading false information, which would be Animal Planet and the media.

He has no proof just like Dave and Tracy have no proof that people didn't go and release some. But do you honestly think that people didn't go and release some animals? I've seen people dump their dogs, cats, and kids on the street so I have no problem believing they would dump an Iguana or Burmese down in Florida.

one more thing about reptile nation as the usark logo says, United we stand

Sorry to say but reptile nation is nowhere near being united. Most are too lazy to get up and do anything.

 

[Abby]

He has no proof just like Dave and Tracy have no proof that people didn't go and release some. But do you honestly think that people didn't go and release some animals? I've seen people dump their dogs, cats, and kids on the street so I have no problem believing they would dump an Iguana or Burmese down in Florida.


Sorry to say but reptile nation is nowhere near being united. Most are too lazy to get up and do anything.

Dogs, cats, and kids are a dime a dozen. No one is going to pay you for your dog, cat or kid (unless the animals are worth something, which is rare). I am not doubting iguana release - you can't give iguanas away. But snakes hold their value well and there is always some idiot who wants to "look cool" and shovel out $100 to their buddy who wants to unload a snake. That's why I doubt snakes are being released. Didn't you read the part where all of the Burms rounded up originate from shipments from ONE year? That's not a coincidence, and that takes genetic testing to determine that.