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Another FAKE pastel ad from Geni Mullins

Their is no difference between a "Pastel Jungle" and a "Pastel". The only people to even argue it do not own one and they must have a very limited vocabulary to just by chance attach the name of a proven morph to their normal. I find Brians argument pretty pathetic talking about the corn market and then being one of those individuals that has used the Pastel term to describe his normals. Even the term "Brotherhood of the Ball" shows your still upset for trying to sell your "Pastel". Maybe if the "Brotherhood of the Corn" paid more attention and helped self protect their industry you wouldnt have such a problem with Oketees. Maybe if you keep trying Brian we can have non morph Pastels nad morph Pastels and we can totally confuse the industry... What a great idea!!!!
Tom Baker
 
i recieved and email

well when i first made my opinion i also sent Geni an email asking where was the pastel ball she was selling and if she had pics of it .. cause the 1 in the pics was deffinitly no pastel ..
and about 25 mins ago or so i recieved and email from geni
only thing on it was


"IM SORRY"

so i think w we made ourselves very glear to geni that she wasnt gonna get away with trying to make a buck off a ball python by mislabeling it

shawn


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Subject: RE: Message about: Pastel Ball Python
Date: 7/26/04 11:38:02 AM Central Daylight Time
From: [email protected]
Reply To:
To: [email protected]

I'm Sorry

http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=32&de=236468

Thanks,

Geni Mullins
 
Actually NO!

I have had a problem with my email and this morning when I was actually able to retrieve all of yawl's ugly and mean emails, I responded to them as I read them. You can check my ad again on Kingsnake.com. I have retracted the ad with an apology and will delete it myself in seven days. You all are very mean.

I purchased this snake at a Bob Clark show almost 2 yrs ago. I traded and paid money for him because he was presented to us as a pastel. I even inquired with Bob himself who told me that just because he did not have the distinct pattern that his pastels had did not mean he was not a pastel. We checked with several breeders at the show before we made the investment. We would not even be selling him if it were not for a situation we have that needs serious and immediate attention financially. We have been forced to sell all of our collection. Snakes, rats, lizards, enclosures, supplies all of it. If it were not for this situation (concerning my little girl) and needing an attorney I would not sell any of them.

Thanks,
Geni Mullins
 
There is no way that Bob Clark or any other breeder or collector would say that was a pastel.

Pastel sibling.....maybe.
Pastel......not a chance.

Too many people have been misrepresenting animals in the hopes of getting a quick buck from unsuspecting buyers and a lot of us who accurately represent the animals we have for sale are getting sick of it.
 
definatly second that

So where is her receipt from Mr. Bob Clark then, you know she would have gotten one from him right? I had also sent her an email and got a "sorry" reply.

Shanell Sepulveda
The Reptile House
Orange California
 
oops

Think I read that wrong, So where is the receipt from the "person" she purchased it from? I would like to know who they are so to stay away from them as well. Thanks.

Shanell Sepulveda
 
I SENT YOU A LINK WITH THE I'M SORRY. IT WILL TAKE YOU BACK TO THE ADD THAT HAS BEEN MODIFIED. IF YOU WOULD READ THEN YOU WOULD KNOW THAT I DID NOT BUY HIM FROM BOB CLARK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I BOUGHT HIM AT A BOB CLARK SHOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IDIOT
 
Geni,

I'm not sure what your definition of "ugly and mean" is, but if there were people who were inappropriate to you via email, then you should be upset about that. However, before you make that determination, please understand that other breeders/sellers have every right to point out to you that you are misrepresenting an animal.

If you spent alot of time debating this purchase, you should have good records from the person you bought the animal from. Please contact them and ask them to come here and verify that the animal you have pictured was sold to you as a proven Pastel morph. Otherwise, you should at least name the breeder who sold this animal to you. If he sold it as a proven morph, you should probably get your money back, unless he can show some documentation.

If you are making a profit on it by selling it for $500, then I doubt seriously that it was represented as a proven morph. They simply don't sell for those prices.

There is a difference between Bob Clark telling you that this animal was a Pastel, and Bob Clark telling you that it isn't necessarily NOT a morph. However, I can't imagine Bob Clark (or ANY reputable breeder) looking at that particular animal, not knowing its history, and claiming it to be anything other than a normal in his opinion.

Geni, I'm sorry that personal circumstances have caused you to liquidate your collection. People here are not heartless; most of us have families as well, and we all know that with families sacrifice is sometimes necessary. Unfortunately, many people have also seen others use these types of situations to assist them in selling animals that are misrepresented. No, we're not heartless...but we are wary and we are cautious.

The animal you listed for sale has all the earmarks of fraud: an unheard of price, no verification of lineage, and a photo that does not back up the claimed morph.

I hope you can understand how some folks drew the conclusions that they drew.
 
Hay there

I caught myself and re-wrote another response no need to have called me that. So where is your reciept? Who was this breeder that you got this Ball from?

Shanell Sepulveda
 
I don't know who the breeder is. I do not have a receipt. I told yawl almost 2 yrs. ago I was at the show selling some of my snakes at a table with friends of mine from Big Cheese and I went looking around. I saw this snake and asked how much. When the guy told me 1700.00 I freaked out and asked why so much? He told me that it was a pastel ball python. Bob Clark did look at him and did say that just because he did not have the distinct pattern that his pastels have does not mean it's not a pastel. The guys name was Mike and he is an idividual breeder here in Texas. He also had a few burms and some king snakes. We traded him 2 albino burms, 1 albino retic, 2 blue spot timors, a 5ft surimane and 500.00 in cash. We had him business card and called him a couple of other times about more snakes like ours for friends of ours who wanted one. I don't know what happened to the card or the guy. I usually go to all of the shows and even if I am not selling something I try and talk to everyone. I usually buy something before I leave there and if I'm selling then I usually trade and buy before I leave. Not the last show but the show in May I traded almost all of my stuff and sold the rest. I came home with some great snakes and I bought my rainbow there. I would know the guys I bought the rainbow and the ball from if I saw them again. But I do not know where to find them. I saw the guy I got my rainbow from as Bonnie's last show. He asked how he was doing. I did not intend to sell any of my animals and I'm sorry that people purposly rip other people off but, I am not a rip off and do not like being accused of being a rip off. What else do you people want? I said I was sorry and I have posted that the snake is no longer for sale?

I'm sorry for spelling the word idiot, and I was not directing it to you but to everyone who continues to talk about me in general.

That's why I feel that SOME of the people on the site are heartless. Where I come from when someone says they are sorry, they are.
 
I believe that show promoters keep meticulous records of who their vendors are; that becomes their business base. I believe that under the circumstances, you could ask for the vendor list from that show and it would be provided to you. That should help you narrow it down, and possibly jog your memory when you see the name again.

That's really the only way you're going to get some resolution and find out what the actual value is for your snake.

Thank you for taking the snake off the market until you know for certain what the animal is worth. It's a bitter pill to swallow, I'm sure.
 
Wow!

In 2002, you traded an albino retic and timors *plus* cash for a male "pastel jungle"? It sounds like Mike got more for that normal ball python than he ever could have dreamed. I'm sorry to hear you got taken for such a ride.

Incidentally, I haven't talked to Bob in a while and am probably just out of the loop, but when did he start hosting shows?
 
The reason people have been upset was because of people like Bearded Pets selling fake hets, Jason Campbell selling fake hets, and numerous other people who sell misrepresented animals, etc. Lately this has really gotten out of control.

The problem with people selling fake hets is that smaller breeders get hurt. No one will buy a het for a fair price because of the scammers which leaves the honest small breeder to have to take a huge loss. There have been a lot of pastels being advertised lately and they are really just pretty normals.

A pastel when bred to a normal will produce some pastel offspring. When 2 pastels are bred, they will produce supers. These are long term investments which is why the price is high.
On the other hand, a really pretty "pastelish" (and I hate using that term) BP bred to a normal will produce nothing but normals.

The person who ends up spending the large dollar amount on a fake pastel is now out the money and the time involved in raising and breeding the snake only to find out they now have $50 offspring.

A site like KS gets a lot of traffic and bogus ads are seen by a lot of people who in turn get wary of buying animals from people they have not heard of before.

I am sorry if you got ripped off by a bogus dealer who sold you that snake as a pastel. If I were you, I would find out who that person is, where they are located, and demand full compensation for the animals traded, the cash out of your pocket, and your time raising it for the past 2 years.

That is a lot of money to have been burned for and I am sure if you did some thinking and digging around for the card, you will find it and have a very strong case against that individual for fraud.

I hope you see why people get upset. You were sold a normal thinking is was a pastel. There are probably hundreds of other people out there in that same situation.

Wouldn't you have been happy to have been able to avoid being ripped off when you bought that snake? That is the purpose of this board and why people post. To prevent something like this from happening to anyone else.
 
but when did he start hosting shows?
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If I'm not mistaken Bob has been the promoter for different shows for a few years now. I think he recently hosted one with Mike Wilbanks.
 
He sponsors the shows he does not host them, but when he's sponsors the show it's called the Bob Clark Show. Or that's what we have always been told.
 
missbaby said:
We traded him 2 albino burms, 1 albino retic, 2 blue spot timors, a 5ft surimane and 500.00 in cash.
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OK lets all get this straight from what you just posted. You traded animals (from minimum values 2 years ago that I remember) 2 Albino Burms $150-$200, 1 Albino Retic $2000.00+( I remember them being alot more than this though), 2 Blue Spot Timors $150-$200, 5 ft Suriname $100-$200, and $500 Cash. A total value of $2900-$3100 for that snake? Hmmmm anyone else think that is a little more suspicious. Even 2 years ago people that deal with Pastel can tell by looking at them (specially in person) if an animal is a pastel or not.
 
Whomever took the money from the vendors is the person to contact to get the list of exhibitors. Keep us posted.
 
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