Another FAKE pastel ad from Geni Mullins

[SPJ]

$3000 for a pastel 2 years ago.
The price sounds about right Rob.

The only thing odd is having an albino retic 2 years ago and not knowing what a pastel BP looks like.

Wouldn't just the albino retic alone have been more than a fair trade for a pastel at what the prices were going for 2 years ago?

 

[missbaby]

Yeah I guess your right. I would be mad too. but spreading rumors and being mean on the internet is not going to hurt the persons feelings if they ripped you off. That is why I got so upset, I'm not trying to rip anyone off. I'm just not sure that he's not a pastel. I have had to much positive feed back from alot of people on that snake. But everyone is entitled to their own opinion I guess. I'm not mad at anyone. I just don't like to be pushed after I have offered an apology that I didn't have to make in the 1st place. I could have just told evrey one to go u know where and ignored it. But I'm not that kind of person.

If I were a breeder I could see someone getting really upset about it. I hate to think that I got scammed after sacrificing what I did for this snake. That Retic was not cheap. He was mean but not cheap. I will take him to a few friends of mine and have them look at him. If I did get scammed, your right I'm sure someone know who and where Mike is! But it will have to wait until my present situation is over with.

Thanks for the feed back and I'm sorry to all

 

[missbaby]

Maybe? Bob was selling them for 25k. But Pastels were very rare, or that is what I was told. Not to mention that if you had a 5 yr old that loves snakes and a snake as mean as the retic the trade was a blessing. We thought we were stuck with a huge mean snake! I don't know if you have ever been to a reptile show in Dallas, but people just don't pay that kind of money out at the shows. They may do it on the net or in the pet stores but I have not had any luck. My albino burms were priced at 200.00 each I ended up (after 3 shows) lowering the price to 90.00 each. We are not even a small breeder. We are just indiviuals that sell what we have too much of.

We got the albino retic by accident anyway. We loaned a friend 2k to help him finance the purchase of the snake and then he disappeared. When we thought we caught up with him, we had only caught up with the snake. His mother gave us the snake who at that time was very imasiated and dehydrated. It almost died. But even then it was a mean booger.

 

[ajc]

Just FYI,

The market price of pastels in 2001 was $1,500 for males and $2,500 for females. Needless to say, they've not changed much since then.

 

[ajc]

Re: Wow!

In 2002, you traded an albino retic and timors *plus* cash for a male "pastel jungle"? It sounds like Mike got more for that normal ball python than he ever could have dreamed. I'm sorry to hear you got taken for such a ride.

My thoughts exactly. Albino Retics were every bit of $2,500 back then and I know for a fact that male Pastels were only $1,500.

Incidentally, I haven't talked to Bob in a while and am probably just out of the loop, but when did he start hosting shows?

Bob has been putting on a show in Arlington for the past couple years. Apparetnly, he got kicked out of the one put on by Bonnie Arnold for doing a show that competed with one she was putting on, so he just went and put on his own show.

 

[Rob @ RK Reptiles]

Steve,

She already stated that the Snake was priced at $1700 and not the amount she traded him for it. This whole thing still sounds too fishy and it seems to get more as time goes by. Also the price I listed on the Albino Retic was very low compared to what they were really selling for 2 years ago. Their prices have dropped substantially since then and are now about that price.

 

[SPJ]

Oh OK. I missed that. I was figuring $3K would not have been unreasonable for a pastel (look at waht Ruppel still advertises his for ).

BTW,
That is not a pastel no matter how many of your friends think it is.

This snake has incredible coloring but it is not a pastel (even though it looks closer to one than the one you listed).

 

[bpc]

Please tell me when I have ever had a pastel or even a pastel jungle for sale?

Last year, I posted some pics of a snake and asked for opinions on it. A discusion much like this one insued, but that snake was never, not once, put on sale.

The story about the trade in question is absurd. Rob's breakdown of the value of the animals traded for this "pastel" is low to say the least. Albino retics were every bit of 3k 2 years ago, and pastel jungles were about $1500. So if she really made that trade, then she got screwed beyond belief!

The point I am trying to make here is this. The ad is fine. The snake is described as a "pastel," end of quote. It is not described as a "pastel jungle." I don't think the word morph is ever used in the original ad. There are 3 pics of the snake, which according to everyone arguing against my point, CLEARY show this snake is not a "pastel jungle morph." She is asking $500 OBO, not $1500 or $2000 which would be the market value of a true "pastel jungle." And for all the people yall are so worried about getting ripped off.......... don't you think that if someone is getting ready to spend $1500 on a snake, they should be able to descern the difference as easily as we did? Let the buyer beware.

And to the A$$HOLE who wants to attack me with "don't own one BS," if I wanted them, I could trade half my collection for more than you'll ever own, tomorrow. So take that and stick it. You don't know me, and you don't know what I have or don't have. Sorry to be petty, but I think he deserves it. 3 beers will do that to ya! LOL

 

[SPJ]

Pastel implies that the snake is a genetic, proven morph.

It does not matter whether it is called pastel, pastel jungle, stonewash pastel, cinnamon pastel, pewter pastel, etc.

The key here is that when you advertise a BP as a pastel, it had better be genetic and NOT a brightly colored normal.

With your line of reasoning, I could have sold the snake I just posted a pic of as a pastel. It's not and I would not misrepresent it as one to try and get more money.

 

[dayligon]

Point taken

Brian, but Ms. Mullins has not stated that she was merely describing the color of the snake, but that she was under the strong impression that it *was* a morph. So it doesn't really matter that the ad could be read to advertise a really pretty ball python, the fact is that she was under the impression she was selling a pastel jungle. That she chose to sell it for a low price (high for a normal) doesn't change the message.

 

[Python Dreams]

"I just hand picked about 35 baby balls, and several of them are what I will sell as "pastel." "

Who knows if you ever ended up selling your normals, but this quote is from you. I think you posted your pics after stating you would sell them as Pastels. Also Pastel males are listed at anywhere from $750 to $1250, only the females are generally marked from $1500 and up, unless your talking about stonewashed, lemons, or blondes. So actually $500 is not that far off. Wow, you could sell just half your collection and you will have more than I ever have? Cool, you must have quite a collection. Do they all have near morph names, or just the pastels? You'll never see someone who actually owns a "Pastel Jungle" or "Pastel" selling a light colored normal as a "Pastel". So keep up your work and someday maybe more people can get ripped off. Way to go Brian.
Tom Baker

 

[NEWReptiles]

BLAH BLAH BLAH........

So you traded about $3500 worth of animals for one that was selling for less than half that. YEA RIGHT.

This is another load just like the Cantsbell, CMG, TRUNK, and all the other jackasses who were not taught how to be HONEST spit out on a daily basis.

The animal WAS NOT sold as a pastel, its clear to see, at least to me. They tried to sell it off and make a quick buck by placing a dishonest ad, got busted, make excuses.

Another thing, you don't remember the seller after you gave him a bunch of animals AND money? Your full of <font color=red>[**censored**]</font>.

 

[TheVipersHouse]

Quote" Another thing, you don't remember the seller after you gave him a bunch of animals AND money? Your full of [**censored**]. "END QUOTE



HERE HERE !!!!!!!!! I 2ND THAT AND 3RD THAT MOTION AS WELL
CAUSE THATS ABOUT THE TRUTH OF IT ALL

IM SORRY IF YOUR HAVING FAMILY ISSUES , REALLY ,U HAVE MY SYMPATHIES BUT PLEASE DONT USE IT AS AN EXCUSE TO GET OUT OF WHAT U WERE TRYING TO DO ......

CAUSE I KNOW FOR DAM SURE WETHER IT BE 2 YEARS AGO OR 10 YEARS AGO IF I HAD DONE A TRADE OF THAT MAGNITUDE FOR A BALL LIKE THAT ID DAM SURE HAVE RECORDS OF PURCHASE AND NAMES OF THE SELLERS AND DEFFINITLY REMEBER IT ALL CAUSE ID BE KICKING MYSELF EVERYDAY FOR DOING A TRADE LIKE THAT ....


ITS EASY HOW PEOPLE WHEN BUSTED SEEM TO FORGET IMPORTANT DETAILS ABOUT THINGS THAT NORMALLY WOULDNT BE FORGOTON IF THEY WERNT BUSTED ... I MEAN HELL SHE SEEMED TO REMEMBER EVERY LITTLE DETAIL ABOUT HOW SHE ASKED AROUND TO ALL THE DEALERS BEFORE GOING INTO THAT DEAL BUT SHE CANT SEEM TO REMEMBER THE PERSON SHE DID THE DEAL WITH ??????


YOU ALMOST HAD US THERE WITH THAT 1 ................


" NOT "

 

[KelliH]

There have only been 3 shows promoted by Bob Clark in Arlington. One was the weekend before this past one, one was in the Fall of 2003, one was in the Spring of 2003. Here is a link to the show:
Bob's Show

If you scroll down, you will see a list of vendors. I am almost positive that is a list of all the vendors that have ever done the show, any of the three shows. So, Ms. Mullins, "Mike _____" or his company should be on that list if they have ever sold at a Bob Clark show. Any of those names on the list jog your memory?

BTW, that is a beautiful ball python you have for sale. Looks to be a nice high yellow, unfortunately for you, not a pastel.

 

[bpc]

It's pretty clear this ad is a bust. I think we can all agree on that.

Tom, the general public, I'll define them as 70-80% of people walking into a common reptile show. DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU AND AL AND ROB know about ball pythons. They do not see a $1300 difference between the snake posted and Pastel Jungle Morph. To them "pastel" means pretty. So everytime yall get lazy and use that term "pastel," you're only hurting yourselves. Use the term "Pastel Jungle Morph," and the "confusion" ends. Tom, you keep being lazy and using the term pastel, and we'll keep having these arguments. Because I promise you, as someone who does about 25 shows a year, the general public is not on Fauna, they're not on Kingsnake, and those that have heard of the term "pastel ball," (which isn't a lot), don't know dick about genetics. The "general public" also does not respond to adds selling $500 or $1500 animals. Getting them to spend $50 is hard enough.

My point here is this: you guys are having fun amongst yourselves. NO ONE is getting fooled by these ads. Everyone that's going to spend the money to buy into a morph should, and probably does, know how it works, especially when the entry price is so high. You won't see me selling any balls labeled "pastel" or "pastel jungle." I understand. But I am not who I am talking about.

 

[ajc]

To them "pastel" means pretty. So everytime yall get lazy and use that term "pastel," you're only hurting yourselves. Use the term "Pastel Jungle Morph," and the "confusion" ends.

Wow...someone found a loophole.

Did Johnny Cochran tell you to say that?

 

[ms_terese]

A pastel by any other name....

I would disagree that people using the term "pastel" are not trying to imply "Pastel Jungle Morph". There are multiple synonyms for "pastel" that could be used instead: light, muted, pale, etc.

I think it's a marketing ploy. While many people are not looking to breed seriously, if they feel they can get an animal that is more highly valued, they will pay more money. Same thing happens with dogs or cats or any other pet. If someone buys a dog with the assurance of a pedigree, even if he doesn't intend to breed it, would they not be upset to find that the "championship bloodlines" were really just "potential championship bloodlines"?

 

[SPJ]

Brian, How can you even think of justifying this?

Pastel means pretty!

That is the biggest crock of <font color=red>[**censored**]</font> I have ever heard.

It sounds like you're saying that you see nothing wrong with misleading people just to make a buck.

 

[bpc]

Yall continue to miss the point here. I understand that when YOU say "pastel" YOU mean the pastel jungle morph. When I say pastel ball python, I mean the pastel jungle morph. BUT WHEN JOHN Q PUBLIC says, "damn, that's a nice pastel!" They think it applies to any light colored ball python. I'm not making this up folks! I hear it at least once a month.

So the harder you/me/us work at separating true "pastel jungle morphs" from those "damn pretty" light ones, the better off you (BP breeders) are. John Q Public's definition is going to be much harder to change, than us simply typing those two extra words "jungle morph.

"It cracks me up that so many of you think EVERYONE knows what "pastel" means. If that's the case, why are we having this conversation? If EVERYONE knew that "pastel" means the pastel jungle morph, and the snake pictured in this ad was clearly not a "pastel," why did AL bother making this thread? I mean if EVERYONE knows, who's gonna get screwed? If EVERYONE knows what "pastel" means, no one could every be dupped by an ad like this (one w/ a pic), because EVERYONE would know right away something was up. If EVERYONE knows, why would anyone try and sell something that wasn't a pastel jungle?

Why? Because clearly, not everyone shares your definition. I have nothing to lose here folks, I'm only trying to help. Granted, it's fun to make the Brotherhood's collective blood pressure rise a few notches. Pastel Jungle's do nothing for me. Most BP morphs do nothing for me. I'm more a "damn pretty normal," person. As such, I will probably never breed them. I will sell them because the market demands that I do. Your term "pastel" is simply too common an adjective for the public to realize it's signifies something beyond "damn pretty." Yes, once they spend an afternoon at a show like the NRBE and finally ask someone they MIGHT get it, but I promise you, most walk in the door w/ no clue. So why risk it?

 

[ajc]

BUT WHEN JOHN Q PUBLIC says, "damn, that's a nice pastel!" They think it applies to any light colored ball python. I'm not making this up folks! I hear it at least once a month.

This really is getting pathetic.