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I don't know this John guy you all or yawl are talking about but I wouldn't sell him sh!t. LOL
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Another FAKE pastel ad from Geni Mullins
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SSReptiles
Snake Lover
This is a nice NORMAL
Ok, I just bought this snake about a month ago. I have had a few people call this a pastel.....no, this is a normal...a very nice looking normal. Who knows, he may be genetic...but not a pastel.
Ok, I just bought this snake about a month ago. I have had a few people call this a pastel.....no, this is a normal...a very nice looking normal. Who knows, he may be genetic...but not a pastel.
SSReptiles
Snake Lover
HerpVenue
New member
Stefanie Saltzman,
my experience / opinion and my esperience / opinion ONLY.
Not stating as fact. But stating as I ave expereinced it.
And specially if your snake is an adult.
Some lineage of pastel do darken up with age.
As a matter of MY experience....I have seen adult pastels that look exactly like yours.
They gave birth to really bright babies.
If you ever want to sell that as a normal.
I would pay you slightly higher than normal price for it.
Yes I would feel guilty. But then again if I bought it fair and square I would not feel too guilty.
my experience / opinion and my esperience / opinion ONLY.
Not stating as fact. But stating as I ave expereinced it.
And specially if your snake is an adult.
Some lineage of pastel do darken up with age.
As a matter of MY experience....I have seen adult pastels that look exactly like yours.
They gave birth to really bright babies.
If you ever want to sell that as a normal.
I would pay you slightly higher than normal price for it.
Yes I would feel guilty. But then again if I bought it fair and square I would not feel too guilty.
HerpVenue
New member
he he hehebpc said:
thanks.
People here at work think I am crazy for laughing all by myself.
but I think you pretty much hit the nail on the head.
Anyway I could be TOTALLY wrong. But I am just speaking from my personal experience. Not expereince of having these myself.
Not experience of seeing pictures. But experience of seeing the baby grow up to be an adult and have a baby itself.
SPJ
Well-known member
Hey Brian, after seeing what is going on over at Reptibid, I gotta admit you were right.
John Q public is ignorant and no matter what anyone tries to tell them, they will believe what they want.
John Q public is ignorant and no matter what anyone tries to tell them, they will believe what they want.
HerpVenue
New member
tha animal above is a pastel jungle ADULT at NERD
The animals above are lemon pastels....normly they would be brighter. Must be the lighting. But look at how dark the adult is.
So if you want to sell your "normal"
I will offer you higher than normal price for it.
SSReptiles
Snake Lover
The picture I posted
Ok, I understand what you are saying, but I don't know if the snake I got is pastel or not. What gives him away of being a normal is that he has a long stripe going down the sides of his stomach and yes, it's white on his stomach, just that I don't know till I breed him to a normal female and see what comes out of his genes. If he does prove himself out to be something special (pastel, new gene), I'll be thrilled. But what I only know about pastels are that they don't have striped bellies. I could be wrong. I don't know if pastels have that kind of belly, can someone send a picture of what a pastels belly looks like?
Ok, I understand what you are saying, but I don't know if the snake I got is pastel or not. What gives him away of being a normal is that he has a long stripe going down the sides of his stomach and yes, it's white on his stomach, just that I don't know till I breed him to a normal female and see what comes out of his genes. If he does prove himself out to be something special (pastel, new gene), I'll be thrilled. But what I only know about pastels are that they don't have striped bellies. I could be wrong. I don't know if pastels have that kind of belly, can someone send a picture of what a pastels belly looks like?
OK, now I have a question. I understand the "pastel" ball thing, but how does it work w/ Boas?
There is an ad for "Dubay line pastels" in the boa section right now. I went and looked at them, and thier prices, and was frankly amazed! I have a Boa which I got as a farm raised baby, which I believe puts everything on that website to shame, but being that I have no idea of the bloodline can I still call it pastel? The Boas in the ad are nice, and seem to be selling quite well, but I have adults w/ more color than most of those pictured, so what's up with "pastel" boas? Is it all a bloodline thing, or is "pastel" just based on color?
There is an ad for "Dubay line pastels" in the boa section right now. I went and looked at them, and thier prices, and was frankly amazed! I have a Boa which I got as a farm raised baby, which I believe puts everything on that website to shame, but being that I have no idea of the bloodline can I still call it pastel? The Boas in the ad are nice, and seem to be selling quite well, but I have adults w/ more color than most of those pictured, so what's up with "pastel" boas? Is it all a bloodline thing, or is "pastel" just based on color?
David Reid
EmberBall
My opinion
The term Pastel, in Ball Pythons, is an accepted name for a proven Ball Python morph. If you use it to advertise normal Ball Pythons, it is false advertising, plain and simple. If you are ignorant of the verbage used to sell your product, do not buy or sell a product you do not know enough about. It is that simple. If someone sold you the original snake in this thread as a Pastel, then go back to them and let them know they sold you a normal animal as a Pastel. The excuse that someone is using the term "pastel" only as a discription is rediculous. I have never heard anyone call a normal a pastel unless they were trying to be deceptive. High yellow, high gold, etc, yes, discriptive, and not a recognized proven morph name.
If someone is selling a CH African Ball, origins unknown, genetics unknown, and wants to sell it as a new line, or possible new line, that is different. A new line Albino is still an albino. A new line Pastel is still a Pastel. A new line high orange, that may be genetic, or may not be is up to you the buyer to decide on. I bought a CH (the only CH in my collection) bright orange Ball from Russo. It may or may not be genetic, he did not promise that it was genetic, stating only that it looks similar to his Halloween line. I bought it based on the fact that it looked nice, and might be a new morph. She is unproven, and honestly looks better than many proven Pastels as adults, so who knows. IF I sold her, I would not list her as a Pastel, but a nice orange animal that is of unknown origin, and unproven.
It is very easy to identify the "quick buck" sellers, based on the ignorance of their product. If you do not know what you are buying, do not buy it, worse yet, if you buy something and try to sell it as a morph....
Dave
The term Pastel, in Ball Pythons, is an accepted name for a proven Ball Python morph. If you use it to advertise normal Ball Pythons, it is false advertising, plain and simple. If you are ignorant of the verbage used to sell your product, do not buy or sell a product you do not know enough about. It is that simple. If someone sold you the original snake in this thread as a Pastel, then go back to them and let them know they sold you a normal animal as a Pastel. The excuse that someone is using the term "pastel" only as a discription is rediculous. I have never heard anyone call a normal a pastel unless they were trying to be deceptive. High yellow, high gold, etc, yes, discriptive, and not a recognized proven morph name.
If someone is selling a CH African Ball, origins unknown, genetics unknown, and wants to sell it as a new line, or possible new line, that is different. A new line Albino is still an albino. A new line Pastel is still a Pastel. A new line high orange, that may be genetic, or may not be is up to you the buyer to decide on. I bought a CH (the only CH in my collection) bright orange Ball from Russo. It may or may not be genetic, he did not promise that it was genetic, stating only that it looks similar to his Halloween line. I bought it based on the fact that it looked nice, and might be a new morph. She is unproven, and honestly looks better than many proven Pastels as adults, so who knows. IF I sold her, I would not list her as a Pastel, but a nice orange animal that is of unknown origin, and unproven.
It is very easy to identify the "quick buck" sellers, based on the ignorance of their product. If you do not know what you are buying, do not buy it, worse yet, if you buy something and try to sell it as a morph....
Dave
Too many people jump to conclusions on this board...yes there are people that try and scam others on the interent by mislabeling their animals on purpose...but...just because you are in the reptile business does not mean you know every animal...a former partner and friend of mine was attacked by these boards months ago based soley on the fact that he was trying to sell a normal ball as a "pastel". Yes...in fact it was not a pastel...but he had recieved it as a part of a trade...he had no interest in keeping the animal so he decide to sell it...yet everyone insisted he was trying to scam people...when in fact he was just ignorant of what he had...he was duped...because he did not know...fortunatly he was able to get his animal back...all situations must be looked at indepenedent of all the others then a proper assesment of scam or not a scam could be made.
David Reid
EmberBall
That is a nice boa...
BUT, Boas and Ball Python Pastels are two different things. Ball Pastels are proven co dom gentical morphs. If I am not mistaken, I think the Pastel Boa is just a line bred animal, with nice colors. There may be a genetic Pastel line Boa, but I am not sure. As for your Boa, call it a possible Pastel, unproven genetically, and you should be safe.
As for the guy who had a partner who traded for a Pastel and tried to sell it as a Pastel but got hammered here for trying to sell a normal as a Pastel...........IF YOU ARE IN THE REPTILE BUSINESS, KNOW YOUR PRODUCT. If you are a Bearded Dragon guy, stick with Bearded Dragons, UNLESS you want to get into Balls and LEARN about the genetics BEFORE you buy/sell or trade Balls.
BUT, Boas and Ball Python Pastels are two different things. Ball Pastels are proven co dom gentical morphs. If I am not mistaken, I think the Pastel Boa is just a line bred animal, with nice colors. There may be a genetic Pastel line Boa, but I am not sure. As for your Boa, call it a possible Pastel, unproven genetically, and you should be safe.
As for the guy who had a partner who traded for a Pastel and tried to sell it as a Pastel but got hammered here for trying to sell a normal as a Pastel...........IF YOU ARE IN THE REPTILE BUSINESS, KNOW YOUR PRODUCT. If you are a Bearded Dragon guy, stick with Bearded Dragons, UNLESS you want to get into Balls and LEARN about the genetics BEFORE you buy/sell or trade Balls.
I think the point some of us are trying to make is this: why are yall so quick to bring out the hammer?
It is simply not possible to know everything there is to know about every reptile. Many of us do in fact deal with reptiles we know little or sometimes even nothing about. It happens. It would be nice if everyone could make a living dealing only with animals they are familiar with, but that is often unrealistic.
Ball pythons are extremely popular right now, as such, if you want people to visit yout website, or stand in front of your booth at a show, you'd better have some. Every once and awhile people get something that is different. Those "different" animals can command higher prices, but we're often not sure want to call them. Now yes, it would be great, if every person spent 6 months studying the various aspects of BP genetics before ever placing an ad, but that too, is unrealistic.
There are "normal" balls out there which look a lot like pastel jungles. And if you knew nothing about the genetics behind pastel jungles, it would be quite easy to make that mistake. And yes, certainly, there are those who are actually trying to rip people off. But many times, some of you come off as if EVERY SINGLE PERSON on the planet knows the genetic story, and is simply out to rip people off. I promise you that is not the case.
Ask them a few questions, and maybe send them a NICE email, BEFORE you get out the hammer! I think you'll be happier w/ the way people react.
It is simply not possible to know everything there is to know about every reptile. Many of us do in fact deal with reptiles we know little or sometimes even nothing about. It happens. It would be nice if everyone could make a living dealing only with animals they are familiar with, but that is often unrealistic.
Ball pythons are extremely popular right now, as such, if you want people to visit yout website, or stand in front of your booth at a show, you'd better have some. Every once and awhile people get something that is different. Those "different" animals can command higher prices, but we're often not sure want to call them. Now yes, it would be great, if every person spent 6 months studying the various aspects of BP genetics before ever placing an ad, but that too, is unrealistic.
There are "normal" balls out there which look a lot like pastel jungles. And if you knew nothing about the genetics behind pastel jungles, it would be quite easy to make that mistake. And yes, certainly, there are those who are actually trying to rip people off. But many times, some of you come off as if EVERY SINGLE PERSON on the planet knows the genetic story, and is simply out to rip people off. I promise you that is not the case.
Ask them a few questions, and maybe send them a NICE email, BEFORE you get out the hammer! I think you'll be happier w/ the way people react.
David Reid
EmberBall
So, let me get this straight
If you are out to make a quick buck in the Ball Python craze, it is acceptable to know nothing about the genetics, try to sell normals as proven genetic morphs? If you get caught, you plead Ball ignorance, or, your spouse posted the pics, wrong pic, wrong snake, you were in a car wreck and have not had time to change it, it is your partners snake, and you just posted for them....you know what, is sounds like alot of EXCUSES to me!
If you are out to make a quick buck in the Ball Python craze, it is acceptable to know nothing about the genetics, try to sell normals as proven genetic morphs? If you get caught, you plead Ball ignorance, or, your spouse posted the pics, wrong pic, wrong snake, you were in a car wreck and have not had time to change it, it is your partners snake, and you just posted for them....you know what, is sounds like alot of EXCUSES to me!