any one ever delt with 88reps (canyonreptiles)

[nicolai]

Pete please dont answer that question..

PETE, fOR YOUR SAKE PLEASE DON'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION. It will just start a whole new battle of words. Everyone agrees this was a not so leginamite transaction.. Lets leave it at that.
Lets all get down off our high horses so we can talk eye to eye.


Nick Bonn

 

[Micki]

Hold on.

So let me get this straight. From what I understand not only did Adam ship the animals through DHL which is illegal. He lives in a area where it is illegal to have them, yet he doesn't care. And its everyone else's fault. I think this kid needs more help then we can give, that and spell check. But then again I guess I am a "looser" for thinking he is in the wrong.

Adam a word of advice. There have been many like you before you here. Many people who are 20 years old or younger who are trying to make a name for themselves. Many of them fail because they continue to go down the road you are going down. Take my advice, if you are dealing in HOTS get the right equipment, get the right training, get the knowledge to do so. Don't get a snake you have no idea how to take care of because it looks "cool". Secondly, listen to these people. They are good people and are trying to help you. If you have a problem and ask for help here you will get a dozen people offering you adive on it. But if you lash out and tell people to go F their mothers its only going to make you look bad. Many people use the BOI as a tool to find out information on breeders/dealers, you would be amazed at the numbers. If you make yourself look bad here then you may really want to rethink the whole herping thing. Sure you will get a customer here and there, but its going to hinder what you could have. So with that, good luck, get rid of the illegal snakes, and take the advice of the people here who have been doing it for longer.
~Micki

 

[hhwoo]

Adam:

Well, at least now you know WHAT you did wrong. However, the WHY you did something wrong would probably be more useful to avoid future mistakes. Doing your research in the future will obviously be helpful. There are a lot of knowledgable people on these forums and instead of getting mad at them, why not use them for their information and get even by building a stronger business than them through professionalism and ethics. After all, that's how you earn a good reputation. Now, I mean this in a helpful way, but a word of criticism is necessary here:

1) You have a short fuse
2) You blame others for your own mistakes
3) You make strong assertions with very little support

These are all issues you'll want to deal with if you want to build a strong and successful busines. You've already acknowledged the first one, so that's a good start. We're all human and we all have our flaws. The people on these forums aren't out to get you; they just want what's best for the hobby which should also be what's best for you. Instead of getting angry at someone for criticizing you, use that information to your advantage and become a better person for it.

Personally, I'd rather have people tell me how to stop being an idiot (this is in reference to myself only) than just have them treat me like one.

 

[Beyond the Web]

... and while we're at it.

I'll also add this, another reminder of the regulations set forth by the California Dept. of Fish and Game. I am also in the process for obtaining a legal binding written agreement by my local city government for the keeping of such venomous herps. All I have now is a verbal agreement, which isn't very helpful at this time.

2020. (a) The department may reimburse eligible local
entities,
pursuant to a memorandum of understanding entered into
under this
section, for costs incurred by the eligible local
entities in the
administration and enforcement of any provision
concerning the
possession of, handling of, care for, or holding
facilities provided
for, a wild animal designated pursuant to Section
2118, by any
person.
(b) The director may enter into memorandums of
understanding with
eligible local entities for the administration and
enforcement of any
provision concerning the possession of, handling of,
care for, or
holding facilities provided for, a wild animal
designated pursuant to
Section 2118, or a cat specified in Section 3005.9.
(c) For purposes of this division, "eligible local
entity" means a
county, local animal control officer, local humane
society official,
an educational institution, or trained private
individual which
enters into a memorandum of understanding with the
director pursuant
to this section.

AND...

2081. The department may authorize acts that are
otherwise
prohibited pursuant to Section 2080, as follows:
(a) Through permits or memorandums of
understanding, the
department may authorize individuals, public agencies,
universities,
zoological gardens, and scientific or educational
institutions, to
import, export, take, or possess any endangered
species, threatened
species, or candidate species for scientific,
educational, or
management purposes.
(b) The department may authorize, by permit, the
take of
endangered species, threatened species, and candidate
species if all
of the following conditions are met:
(1) The take is incidental to an otherwise lawful
activity.
(2) The impacts of the authorized take shall be
minimized and
fully mitigated. The measures required to meet this
obligation shall
be roughly proportional in extent to the impact of the
authorized
taking on the species. Where various measures are
available to meet
this obligation, the measures required shall maintain
the applicant's
objectives to the greatest extent possible. All
required measures
shall be capable of successful implementation. For
purposes of this
section only, impacts of taking include all impacts on
the species
that result from any act that would cause the proposed
taking.
(3) The permit is consistent with any regulations
adopted pursuant
to Sections 2112 and 2114.
(4) The applicant shall ensure adequate funding to
implement the
measures required by paragraph (2), and for monitoring
compliance
with, and effectiveness of, those measures.
(c) No permit may be issued pursuant to subdivision
(b) if
issuance of the permit would jeopardize the continued
existence of
the species. The department shall make this
determination based on
the best scientific and other information that is
reasonably
available, and shall include consideration of the
species' capability
to survive and reproduce, and any adverse impacts of
the taking on
those abilities in light of (1) known population
trends; (2) known
threats to the species; and (3) reasonably foreseeable
impacts on the
species from other related projects and activities.
(d) The department shall adopt regulations to aid
in the
implementation of subdivision (b) and the requirements
of Division 13
(commencing with Section 21000) of the Public
Resources Code, with
respect to authorization of take. The department may
seek
certification pursuant to Section 21080.5 of the
Public Resources
Code to implement subdivision (b).

Therefore, my entity (Beyond the Web) is in the process of acquiring such permit/certification towards the possesion of native and non-native venomous species for scientific study and educational purposes.

 

[nicolai]

very well put..

Han, i think that was a very well thought out and well worded statement. I glad to see someone else reinforce the idea that we are to help. And a little critisism is always helpful when presented the right way.

quote from micki:
_______
But then again I guess I am a "looser" for thinking he is in the wrong.
_______


Where is sarcasm going to get us??



quote from Micki:
_______
I think this kid needs more help then we can give,
_________

With

 

[DThomas]

oops dave i ment to say dennis:

dennis go **** your mother and i hope our paths cross one of these days

Better bring that Sig you have, you'll need it.

Sieg Hial

Last I heard, you denied being a white supremicist. So are you or are you not? No need to be bashfull.

 

[nicolai]

very well put..

Han, i think that was a very well thought out and well worded statement. I glad to see someone else reinforce the idea that we are to help. And a little critisism is always helpful when presented the right way.

quote from micki:
_______
But then again I guess I am a "looser" for thinking he is in the wrong.
_______


Where is sarcasm going to get us??



quote from Micki:
_______
I think this kid needs more help then we can give,
_________

With thousands of members i dont think this is anyone out there that is too far gone to be helped by this forum and its members.


Nick Bonn

 

[DAND]

Still doesn't give you special okay to ship and receive venomous reptiles through any carrier you like. Again, are you Delta approved?

 

[Beyond the Web]

Still doesn't give you special okay to ship and receive venomous reptiles through any carrier you like. Again, are you Delta approved?

The only animals I ship, and am allowed to ship, are non-venomous reptiles and arachnids via DHL, FedEX and UPS. Go figure. I have a business account with all three carriers, I would not jeopordize my business by shipping venomous reptiles.

 

[nicolai]

DTHOMAS..that comment..

Dave,
Why are we bringing racism into this thread. Is it because he used some german wording? Does that imply that the roughly 300 or more german members on here are racist for being german?
Is it the comment sieg heil? thats just like saying "I win"

you say:
______________
Last I heard, you denied being a white supremicist. So are you or are you not? No need to be bashfull.
___________
Where did you HEAR this....Was there a statement or conversation between the two of you somewhere before this thread concerniong racism?

Maybe I missed something??


Nick Bonn

 

[DAND]

The only animals I ship, and am allowed to ship, are non-venomous reptiles and arachnids via DHL, FedEX and UPS. Go figure. I have a business account with all three carriers, I would not jeopordize my business by shipping venomous reptiles.

Originally Posted by 88reptiles
I to look forward to doing business with peter in the future i am very pleased with our transaction. and the sidwinder looks great.


How in the hell did you ship the Sidewinder to Adam then, a worm hole?

 

[DThomas]

Dave,
Why are we bringing racism into this thread. Is it because he used some german wording? Does that imply that the roughly 300 or more german members on here are racist for being german?
Is it the comment sieg heil? thats just like saying "I win"

you say:
______________
Last I heard, you denied being a white supremicist. So are you or are you not? No need to be bashfull.
___________
Where did you HEAR this....Was there a statement or conversation between the two of you somewhere before this thread concerniong racism?

Maybe I missed something??


Nick Bonn

It is Dennis, not Dave. And do not read anyting into my statements that I did not say. I did not imply that someone is a racist just based on German heritage. Do not be so naive as to think he is using that term in the context you presented. Adam knows exactly what I am talking about.

 

[Sasheena]

My 2 cents for what they are worth....

When I first got into reptiles, I read everything I could about them. I learned as much as I could. I think I read every single thread in every snake forum at kingsnake.com so I could learn. Some of the first topics to REALLY interest me happened to do with the legalities of owning the herps I was planning on purchasing. I don't think I had even purchased my first snake before I knew the laws here in Arizona regarding owning, buying, selling, and trading snakes. At this point in time I have two snakes covered by Arizona Law, a Pyro and a native born California Kingsnake. Their offspring, if they ever have any, will be gifts to my students and my friends.

The biggest thing that causes people to come on here and ask the very vehement questions they've been asking is that our rights are being pulled ... and the reason they are usually pulled around this country are due to !#!%#% idiots who don't know, care, or follow the rules regarding owning dangerous animals. Someone keeps his reticulated python in the bathroom and it escapes... word gets out and a law is passed. Another idiot ships a venemous snake and doesn't do it properly, it gets out and injures or kills a person involved in shipping it, suddenly you can't ship ANY snake. All these things that IDIOTS do hurt the rest of us who care about our animals and about the welfare of others.

Regardless of ignorance of the law, if these people shipped the animals illegally they endanger our hobby, not to mention the lives of the shippers. Owning illegal snakes in either state CA or AZ will result in a hue and cry if/when these things are discovered, that can only result in additional laws keeping us from keeping reptiles. It is THIS RISK that causes people to get so very upset at this issue.

Also I must add that "getting cleared," is not at ALL the same thing as "being cleared" to own and trade in these animals. If you are not YET cleared you cannot do it! Regardless of verbal agreements.

Anyway thats the two cents from someone who would never have hots or reticulated pythons.

 

[nicolai]

Dennis,

Dennis, Sorry for calling you dave but I was typning faster then i was thinking. The only reason that i brought up that question is because you said " Last I heard" so I figured you two must have discussed this racism issue before.
Even though I am russian I am in no way naive to the world around me. I know there are a lot of racist people out there especially in this country more then any other. For some reason a lot of people in this country think that the color of ones skin is a reflection of thier intellegence, character, morality or social standing. This is a serious issue and thought it best to clarify what was being said because a persons bias towards others especially a person owning a business can have permenant damage on ones charcter and business.
If he is truly a racist then he will get his in the end, but unless we are sure of the fact it would be a shame to throw that kind of unfounded impression of someone out there to the public.

Nick Bonn

Leviticus 19:15
" 'Do not pervert justice; do not show partiality to the poor or favoritism to the great, but judge your neighbor fairly

 

[Canyon State]

Ok dennis tell me when have i ever denied being a skinhead. for those that are upset to hear this, its true i am in fact a skinhead and Im a racist but that does not interfear with my business and business transactions. when it comes to business every one is equal. and how do you know me so well to know that i carry a sig. if you know me this well come over and we can have a talk about somethings see not only have you ran your mouth about the way i do business but now you have entered a whole different ball game, and ide advise you not to go any further then you have.

 

[Ken Harbart]

Dennis, Sorry for calling you dave but I was typning faster then i was thinking. The only reason that i brought up that question is because you said " Last I heard" so I figured you two must have discussed this racism issue before.
Even though I am russian I am in no way naive to the world around me. I know there are a lot of racist people out there especially in this country more then any other. For some reason a lot of people in this country think that the color of ones skin is a reflection of thier intellegence, character, morality or social standing. This is a serious issue and thought it best to clarify what was being said because a persons bias towards others especially a person owning a business can have permenant damage on ones charcter and business.
If he is truly a racist then he will get his in the end, but unless we are sure of the fact it would be a shame to throw that kind of unfounded impression of someone out there to the public.

Nick Bonn

Leviticus 19:15
" 'Do not pervert justice; do not show partiality to the poor or favoritism to the great, but judge your neighbor fairly

The very first warning that Adam received here was for this little gem...

wendy i have read everything on this thread, and personly i think his name should not be heikil it should be kikel as in kikel iche ickenstien becuase i think it was a very jewish thing he pulled[...]

That being said,
I'll point out two things:
1) Ignorance of the law is no excuse. It's not like these are obscure statutes. They are fairly easy to look up, and any person wishing to conduct business has an obligation to ensure that they aren't commiting a crime during the course of regular business.

2) Threatening someone here is a dumb move in and of itself. Threatening a law enforcement officer is just beyond stupid.

 

[nicolai]

your a skinhead/??

Well, I for one was hoping that you were indeed not a racist, But low and behold you are a skinhead and seem to be proud of the fact.
How can you expect people to judge you fairly reguarding your business when you judge people solely by thier skin color. You have control over you business practices..Does a person have control over what color of skin they are born with???
What a shame!!!!!

Nick Bonn

James 4:12
There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you–who are you to judge your neighbor?

 

[Canyon State]

When did i threaten and when did i threaten a law informent officer. tell me buddy cuase thats not what that post said i called some one a jew thats not a threat. and if i threatena a cop then good i hate you pigs anyways. and you know what i really dont care any more about what you people think. do business with me or not i dont care. i have4 more improtant things to do.


And some one earlyer stated that i should learn about the animals before i keep them not just becuase there cool, well i understnad what your getting at but dont all herpers keep certain reptiles becuase there cool to them thats how it works and i am fully capable of keeping venomous and non venomous alike, i have the specfic tools needed and the knowledge. but like i said i do understand what you are getting at but this thread was not about me being able to keep such reptiles

 

[Ken Harbart]

Well, you threatened Dennis, and in doing so you threatened a lew enforcement officer.

I think we've heard just about enough criminal bantering from you, so see ya!

You are the weakest link. Goodbye.

 

[DAND]

Well, you threatened Dennis, and in doing so you threatened a lew enforcement officer.

I think we've heard just about enough criminal bantering from you, so see ya!

You are the weakest link. Goodbye.

Saw that coming this morning.