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Anyone dealt with Boca Reptiles?

I now have made another mistake, that being missjudging your character

I am not sure if I am understanding this or not, but are you questioning my character?? You of all people Sal?? I was understanding until the 3rd yes 3rd time you lied to me about shipping and then you ignored any attempt I made to contact you after that. How is it that I have bad character Sal?? For wanting what was owed to me??

You never intended to send my my rack or refund my money. If you did, you would have told me the truth istead of telling lie after lie. You have no business questioning anyone elses character Sal.
You are laughable for trying.
Go back into the hole you crawled out of and dissapear.
 
Hey gubitz, it's interesting that you mention my mom. I have some friends that used to frequent the dime a dance halls way back before, or right around the time as it were, that you were born. It seems that your mom couldn't make it in the dime a dance halls and had to go for a nickle a throw, er dance , er throw..... whatever it was. Did she ever narrow it down to less than a dozen possibilities as far as who your dad MIGHT be????

sal, you have ZERO credibility. I did not believe you mom died because you had told SO MANY lies prior to that statement. It's a shame she died on the one hand but a good thing she did on the other. No mother should have to suffer a theiving, lying, bottom feeding son like you. She's probably happier not having to know just what kind of bottom feeder you turned out to be.

I say we leave mothers out of it from now on. I figure I'm fair game, I put it out there so I deserve a shot now and then. But really neil, was that the best you could come up with???

I bet you wouldn't say that to my face though, would you?

Back to the topic.

sal, are you going to make it right with everyone you've lied to and stolen from or just the ones that know about the BOI?

Wes Pollock
 
I REST MY CASE!!!!

All i have to say is .... THANKS Wes.... I rest my case.


As far as the questions that Troy has asked, "YES" I WILL make good for anything i have done wrong in the past and what ever it takes and however i have to go about it. As far as screwing people in the past and how many, all i can say to that is read the final answers on all the old therads and see how they ALL ended. That is why i am here today to let everyone have the chance to ask me anything they want and you will hear the answers directly from me.

As far as Kim goes... I said i was sorry for what has happened and that i was wrong, what else do you want me to do??? You got your money back and i DID take care of your credit card company transactions. What else would you like for me to do?

The biggest thing i am waiting for is for Greg Riso or Shannon to come forward with there story and show proof on what they have posted here about me.... I'm SURE that they will end up falling off the face of the earth because that was a total LIE and i had NOTHING to do with that deal at all!!! So if you have a story to tell, tell it to your kids.

Next !!!!!

Sal Tornambene
Boca Reptiles
 
Wes!!

OOPPPPSSS.... I for get the best part of what i wanted to say to you was... YES I WOULD SAY IT TO YOUR FACE!!!! But the only problem is that you don't have the NUTS to call me toll free or let anyone know where you are!!! Smells like CHICKEN to me! And not for nothing for a guy who lifts weights all day and has all the time in the world to type here you should really find more time with a woman if you know what i mean! Hey dude you want a word of advice.... eat a carrot!

Sorry everyone but i had to vent this one out!

Sal Tornambene
Boca Reptiles
 
Sal

If you would look back further then 1-2 pages here there have beend only about 100 questions for you to answer but yet you make snide remarks ? and act just like KenYates .... just like a scolded child there is also a gentleman that you owed i believe $145+ shipping to and i honestly beleive you cant remember how many people you duped what a shame ...
 
As far as the questions that Troy has asked, "YES" I WILL make good for anything i have done wrong in the past and what ever it takes and however i have to go about it.

Sit back folks, this is going to take awhile.
 
As far as screwing people in the past and how many, all i can say to that is read the final answers on all the old therads and see how they ALL ended.

With the exception of the debt Neil paid from his own pocket, as far as I can remember most of them ended by people putting a stop to payment, or reversing the charges. That can hardly be considered as taking care of the refund yourself.

Just my opinion.
 
I Don't Have To Be...

a rocket scientist to figure out that even though I provided Shannon with a Fauna thread link regarding your wife and Upstate Exotics, that she never followed through with the officials or bothered with you again. I guess you now feel you're in a strong position to say I'm full of it. Since you haven't heard from her it's over right? Maybe it is or maybe it isn't. That's totally up to Shannon to decide not me. I gave her information regarding you to encourage her to not look the other way and to stand up and do something for herself and others by coming forward.
I mentioned the situation that happened to her as a reminder to you that all has not been settled that's all. If Shannon has chosen to forget about what happened that's her choice not mine.
It's kind of like this scenario.
A young lady is raped and beaten badly by someone and she knows exactly who the perpetrator is. After doing nothing she tells someone her story who advises her to go to the officials and do something about it. She decides to not go to the police or pursue anything further because she'd rather just forget about it and pretend it never happened. Was it the best choice? I think not. The rapist is still free to move about to target other women and deep down inside in the victim's mind what happened will always be there.
In your case just because there's no official record or evidence provided by Shannon doesn't mean it didn't happen. It's up to her to come forward but I sincerely doubt she will and I'm sure you're banking on that fact. It's not my job to "provide evidence" here, it's hers. Do you think it would be right for me to make public copies of e-mails, phone numbers, or other contact information regarding Shannon? Well, it's not going to happen.
You are, however, dead right on one thing though Sal. We've never done business and unless the Pope grants you sainthood we never will. Doesn't that happen after death anyway? Well, I think you've got the picture.
 
Sal says
"YES" I WILL make good for anything i have done wrong in the past and what ever it takes and however i have to go about it.

I think that one of the problems here is that to a lot of people there are different levels of "making good". I'll make some examples to see if I can make my point:

1. Guy steals a horse, decides to make good, brings the horse back, apologizes profusely and with hat in hand asks what else he might do to prove how much he has changed. When asked to muck stables for a week, he gladly does it, repentant for his bad action, and seriously overcome with remorse. This guy has "made good" and in a while, if he continues his good behaviour, people will feel he is a "changed man"... but it won't be overnight, and you can bet that the next horse that is stolen he'll be scrutinized. If he has really changed, he'll welcome the scrutiny and do everything he can to help them find the horse thief.

2. Guy steals a horse. Learns that the people from whom he stole it had insurance and were recompensed for the horse. He proudly rides it in parades proclaiming that he has "made good" on his bad actions, and that everyone he did wrong has been taken care of. (The owners of the horse were paid for it, so it's his, right?) Expects everyone to throw confetti and roses on him and trust him immediately, AND looks shocked when the police are waiting to pick him up at the end of the parade. This guy hasn't changed. He actually just plain doesn't KNOW or UNDERSTAND decent behaviour.

3. Guy steals a horse. Everyone knows it's him, but can't prove it. The owner of the horse, Tony, posts all kinds of proof, to which the horse theif posts other supposed (but manufactured) evidence. Finally he lets the horse go in a field and Tony re-aquires it. To prove his innocense he posts a picture of the owner with the horse: SEE I told you he had his horse, I never had it, this is proof. I'm a changed man.

See the problem is that if every single person came on here and told sal, in small messages without extra fluff, (all the better to read and avoid misunderstanding) what exactly they felt he did wrong, what he has or has not done to make it better, and what they WANT him to do to make it better, and then he DID it, then I would look for his good behaviour, and within six months, or a year, or possibly longer, I might start to consider doing business with him.

For an example, if I was the person who bought cages, got the runaround, was told lies (cage is in the mail) and eventually had to get the money from the credit card company, I might want the following (and I realize that the real person might feel differently)... I might say: First of all I want proof that you have paid the money back to the appropriate credit card company... scan a receipt, do NOT omit the DATE on the letter (as has been done before), but do feel free to omit the street and number part of the address, account number, and phone numbers. SECOND I would want, after that proof was posted an abject apology in public, explaining what exactly you did wrong (no EXCUSES, nobody really wants to hear them!!!) ... you know... something to the effect of: "I apologize to you. I took your money. I said I was going to ship the cages. I never shipped them. I then left town. I made you have to get your money back from the credit card company. This was dishonest of me and I have no excuse for this behavioiur. Again I apologize, I hope someday you will see how I have changed and wish to do business with me in the future. Again I state I WAS IN THE WRONG."

Anyway.... all of this requires a level of character that is perhaps impossible for some to acheive.
 
salito, salito, salito, you are somewhat thick in the head this morning. Look under the name Wilomn and you will see a city name. Los Angeles is on the west coast of the United States of America. It's the opposite coast from the one you are currently hiding out on. It's in the state of California. It's the fifth largest economy in the WORLD. Disneyland is real close. So is Magic Mountain. Hollywood is right around the corner. Do you know where I live now? Sheesh.

I was also referring to your pal gubitz not having the guts to talk bad about my mom to my face, not you. You have all the manners of a cowflop and I have no doubt that you WOULD talk trash about my mom to my face. Maybe you and your pal gubitz should get out the gram scale and see just who has the bigger cajones although the difference between 3 grams and 5 is bound to be barely distinguishable.

So salito, why don't you post us a list of all the people you've stolen from and then check them off as you make good on your thievery? Or have you stolen from soooooooo many people that you really don't know who all the victims are? Given your past history that does make sense. It's a shame really.

Wes Pollock
 
For an example, if I was the person who bought cages, got the runaround, was told lies (cage is in the mail) and eventually had to get the money from the credit card company, I might want the following (and I realize that the real person might feel differently)... I might say: First of all I want proof that you have paid the money back to the appropriate credit card company... scan a receipt, do NOT omit the DATE on the letter (as has been done before), but do feel free to omit the street and number part of the address, account number, and phone numbers. SECOND I would want, after that proof was posted an abject apology in public, explaining what exactly you did wrong (no EXCUSES, nobody really wants to hear them!!!) ... you know... something to the effect of: "I apologize to you. I took your money. I said I was going to ship the cages. I never shipped them. I then left town. I made you have to get your money back from the credit card company. This was dishonest of me and I have no excuse for this behavioiur. Again I apologize, I hope someday you will see how I have changed and wish to do business with me in the future. Again I state I WAS IN THE WRONG."

For an example, if I was the person who bought cages, got the runaround, was told lies (cage is in the mail) and eventually had to get the money from the credit card company, I might want the following (and I realize that the real person might feel differently)... I might say: First of all I want proof that you have paid the money back to the appropriate credit card company... scan a receipt, do NOT omit the DATE on the letter (as has been done before), but do feel free to omit the street and number part of the address, account number, and phone numbers. SECOND I would want, after that proof was posted an abject apology in public, explaining what exactly you did wrong (no EXCUSES, nobody really wants to hear them!!!) ... you know... something to the effect of: "I apologize to you. I took your money. I said I was going to ship the cages. I never shipped them. I then left town. I made you have to get your money back from the credit card company. This was dishonest of me and I have no excuse for this behavioiur. Again I apologize, I hope someday you will see how I have changed and wish to do business with me in the future. Again I state I WAS IN THE WRONG."

For an example, if I was the person who bought cages, got the runaround, was told lies (cage is in the mail) and eventually had to get the money from the credit card company, I might want the following (and I realize that the real person might feel differently)... I might say: First of all I want proof that you have paid the money back to the appropriate credit card company... scan a receipt, do NOT omit the DATE on the letter (as has been done before), but do feel free to omit the street and number part of the address, account number, and phone numbers. SECOND I would want, after that proof was posted an abject apology in public, explaining what exactly you did wrong (no EXCUSES, nobody really wants to hear them!!!) ... you know... something to the effect of: "I apologize to you. I took your money. I said I was going to ship the cages. I never shipped them. I then left town. I made you have to get your money back from the credit card company. This was dishonest of me and I have no excuse for this behavioiur. Again I apologize, I hope someday you will see how I have changed and wish to do business with me in the future. Again I state I WAS IN THE WRONG."

Very well said Sasheena! I couldn't have said it better myself. Sal Came on here and told me I was sorry and then in the same apology bashed my Character. The guy can't even apologize right. How can he change when he can't even do a simple thing like that??

Sal, I am not sorry for the things I said about you because they are true. You ran out of town like a coward and never contacted me with an apology about my rack. Yet you expect me to be understanding??? Hello! What planet are you from Sal?
 
Re: Sal from Boca Reptiles

BocaReptiles said:


I would like to publicly appologise to Kim Lang. when i spoke to you on the phone back in December ( I believe) you were very understanding to my sitiation. I asked you for a little more time and you were willing to give it to me, you didn't seem to have a problem with it then. Since this thread has begun, you jumped right in and started bashing me just like the rest of them. That's like kicking someone when they are down. I now have made another mistake, that being missjudging your character. Once again i would like to publicly appologise to you, I'm sorry it had to turn out this way.


This is probably one of the most hollow and indeed insulting "appologies" I have ever heard. Again, you have refused to take responcibility for your actions and made this the custemers fault because YOU didn't send the product that had been paid for and infact LIED about sending it more than once.
I am sure you did "misjudge" her character, she doesn't sound like a doormatt to me.

BocaReptiles said:
Next on the list is Wes. I have nothing to say to you, nor will i ever after this. You have got to be the biggest piece of crap on this whole BOI site right off the bat. What you did in the past about my mother, i will NEVER forgive!! One day your mom will pass away, think about that, you heartless bastard!!


Ever hear of the story of the Little boy who cried Wolf? Read it, you may learn something.

BocaReptiles said:
I would like to thank Rob from RK for bringing it to my attention that i needed a license to sell out of Florida. As everyone is aware of the fact that you do not need a license in NY to sell reptiles. I was not trying to sell reptiles illegally at all, it was never my intentions to do anything illegal. As soon as you brought it to my attention, i shut down every add that i had, and the same day, i contacted FWC and submitted all of the paperwork needed for a classIII license. I have not sold one animal that i had up for sale. If it comes down to paying for some fines, i guess that's the piper i have to pay for not knowing about needing a license in Florida. Another lesson learned!


I find it very difficult to believe that someone who has owned at least 3 businesses in the past, didn't do any research to find out what, if any permits and/or licenses they needed. You didn't even ask your good buddy Neil?

BocaReptiles said:

One more thing i would like to add to everyone out there, as far as the one question about me using other people's money to move, you are ALL WRONG!!! I have sold almost everything i have EVER owned to make this move to be here today. (You gotta enjoy the simple things)


So why didn't you use that money to pay back the people you owed?
 
Sal & Neil ...Question for you both

I would like to ask you to participate on your own behalfs on a chat scheduled for Monday evening.This would be about you Sal and what has transpired here it will be a moderated chat session and would be for a 1 hr timelimit.I would like to ask that if you would provide proof in actual documents of the people you know of that were paid in full to you but never recieved good for service from you , this would extebd to all PayPal charge backs , Credit Card charge backs, Money order payments , Cash settlements, and any other form in which you may have resolved your debts if they are in fact resolved .

Thanks for you attendance and or replies to such.
Just so you know anyone that would attened the chat will be asked and held accountable for any off topic blurbs as to anything other then this topic , there will be no personel vendettas or words exchanged in this chat or the persons doing so will be excused from the chat for the night .
 
That's a great idea Allan, but I don't think that Sal has the guts to talk with everyone. He has proved him self a coward by hiding his whereabouts and hiding behind his computer. He is also obviously not a changed man. His appology to me was a joke. It's like saying I'm sorry, but you deserved what I did to you. If you are truly sorry, you simply say "I'm sorry I was wrong and I will make it up to you". The "apology" he gave me proves he has not changed. He also still has the option of emailing me personally and apologizing or calling me, but does neither. This is just another indication that he has not changed, nor will he ever.
 
Let me put this very plainly and to the point....

I have only put myself in THREE of Sal's deals.... Vinny for $550(which was taken care of).... Steve Zaun for $2500 (who was taken care of, and one of these days, he will be telling his story on here, too).... and Mark and his Balls (who emailed me personally to ask about Sal, and I gave him the info he needed).... other than just being Sal's friend, I am not involved in any other deals of his.... as far as I am concerned, I am OUT of this.... I did my duty and fulfilled my obligations as far as the deals I was involved in, and knowingly PUT myself in to help my friend.... I won't be participating in any of your lynching party requests.... because, frankly, it doesn't concern me....

Compare me to Sal as much as you want, it doesn't phase me a bit, my customers know who and what I am, and that's ALL that concerns me, as a matter of fact, I tell amost every single one of my customers about this site, and how petty most of you are, and they have all read everything about me, and your veiled attempts to destroy my business, and they are all falling on deaf ears, they go by what they experience first-hand, they don't listen to a bunch of whining little children.... so, go ahead, give it your best shot!.... It only goes to prove my point!

But remember.... this thread is about Sal, NOT ME!!

Don't expect me to respond anymore on this thread, cause I won't...

Neil
 
How many of salito's sales did you run through your credit card company gubitz? Was it just the three you've helped out on? How many of salito's thefts are you responsible for? How many did you facilitate?

And, once again, can you show some proof that you had permission to let his business be run through your terminal? I would really like to see that.

I think, ONCE AGAIN, that you are LYING about that permission having been given gubitz. Care to prove me wrong?

Wes Pollock
 
well

$2500+$550+$623+$165+????? Theres $3,838.00 + the balls that killed over .... How much more are we talking about in "Deals Gone Wild"???i cant remember the deal on KS forums that was listed but it was about $1000.00 or so itself and im sure there are more out there somewhere but just at what we know of theres $4k ... man that must have been nice to spend huh sal
 
Neil,

Compare me to Sal as much as you want, it doesn't phase me a bit, my customers know who and what I am, and that's ALL that concerns me, as a matter of fact, I tell amost every single one of my customers about this site, and how petty most of you are, and they have all read everything about me, and your veiled attempts to destroy my business, and they are all falling on deaf ears, they go by what they experience first-hand, they don't listen to a bunch of whining little children....

In MHO some people are after your methods, not necessarily after you (several have stated that). We are in a world where perception is important. Every time someone sees an ad that does not accurately portray the animal for sale it's felt like another punch to the online herp business. Do you see the difference? In reality they are concerned about how that affects the whole business (also said numerous times), yours (in the short to medium term), and the sustainability of the hobby as a whole.

Regards.
 
Daniel.... you're right.... SOME.... but far from ALL.... that's why I said a BUNCH of whining little children.... and not ALL.... I see the difference very well....

I listen to MOST everybody that has CONSTRUCTIVE criticism.... I don't listen to whining little children (or answer their questions)....

Daniel, you OFTEN offer constructive criticism, and just because I don't acknowledge them in these threads, doesn't mean I don't "hear" them.... and most of them I take into account when I write my NEXT ads....

Neil
 
You've confused whine with critisize gubitz. You really should get a new updated dictionary.

How about proof on those credit card charges for other businesses through your terminal. I still say you're LYING again about having permission.

Where is your pal salito? People he has stolen from want to know. Why are you harboring a criminal? Come on gubitz, do the right thing and let some deserving folks know where the slimeball criminal is.

More and more lies gubitz, that's what I see.

Paradox is BLACK not freckled. I wonder why YOU of all people didn't know that, oooops forgot who I was talking to. Of course you know the difference, after all you are one smart and sharp business man aren't you?

So, liar, how about that proof? You said you got it EACH AND EVERY TIME you used your terminal for someone elses business and I'd like to see that proof.

Wes Pollock
 
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