ladywhipple02
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Beware of Jeane Best & Wendy Childs
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kmurphy
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Lynn it tells what post it was for. It may have been Wendy for all you know. If it was for the post where you feel you were doing the right thing, then I agree it was pretty low. The consolation is that no one pays much attention to karma anyway.
ladywhipple02
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Where does it tell? I think you have to be a contributing member...?
ladywhipple02
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Nevermind, I figured it out. It was for post 793, where I said I was going to be paying them. Reason: it's things like this that made people like Wendy and Jeane what they are.
VanZwedenReptiles
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Hello Lynn
See what theses two have done was won with you,even if you told them in a email that you would give them 75 dollars back.And you feel you did the rite thing most feel you didn't.Thats what this forum is for and everyone said don't pay one cent back.It would be a tuff call ,but look at the big picture are you planning on dealing with them again.I wouldn't so you have all this info on how they scammed all theses people,and you still paid them .IMO I think you let them down.On The other hand i would do business with you ,You go far above what others would to make them happy.I see that here
Theses two people scammed you though,and you caved I feel sorry that you did business with them and found out the hard way
Greg VanZweden
http://www.vanzwedenreptiles.com/
Forever Trust in What You Are and Nothing Else matters
See what theses two have done was won with you,even if you told them in a email that you would give them 75 dollars back.And you feel you did the rite thing most feel you didn't.Thats what this forum is for and everyone said don't pay one cent back.It would be a tuff call ,but look at the big picture are you planning on dealing with them again.I wouldn't so you have all this info on how they scammed all theses people,and you still paid them .IMO I think you let them down.On The other hand i would do business with you ,You go far above what others would to make them happy.I see that here
Theses two people scammed you though,and you caved I feel sorry that you did business with them and found out the hard way
Greg VanZweden
http://www.vanzwedenreptiles.com/
Forever Trust in What You Are and Nothing Else matters
ladywhipple02
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Thanks Greg. I'm sorry if I let anyone down. But I honestly felt that I should do what I said I was going to do... even if Wendy and Jeane did not.
No, I will not ever deal with them again. Yes, I will warn people against dealing with them. I don't want this to happen to other people.
No, I will not ever deal with them again. Yes, I will warn people against dealing with them. I don't want this to happen to other people.
Bill_Leverton
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Kevin I think you have to be a paid Contrib to see who nailed ya.....I may be wrong it wouldn't be the first time....Man I hate being human...kmurphy said:
Bill_Leverton
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Lynn, I don't think people think less of you ....on another note it has come to my attention that one did in fact die so Lynn My humblest apology.ladywhipple02 said:
kmurphy
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Bill, I was mentioning that it tells you what post it was for. You don't need to be a paid participant for that. I know she can't see who gave it to her.
Bill_Leverton
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Oh Gotchakmurphy said:
Chameleon Company
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Hey Lynn,
I have painted a bulls-eye on myself on more than one occasion in this thread, and was then out of town for a few days. Let me get out the stencil again to re-afix the target.
First off, I would like to thank you for your thoughtful and candid answers to my PM's of yesterday. From what I had read in the thread, I thought that the seeking of a full PayPal refund by the customer was excessive. But I also wanted to get more info from you before I attempted to influence anybody. All that said, I have an opposing opinion to much of the last 20-30 posts or so, based on these facts as stated (let me know if I have them wrong):
1) You stated early in the claim, in emails to the customer, that you would refund $75. You were unable to due to lack of funds.
2) Communications waned, and after no refund, the customer initiated a PayPal dispute.
3) You came to this thread, posting some info, and pointing out that the actual demise of the animal fell outside of your 72 hour "death" guarantee. You did point out that you had been notified of "imminent death" within the 72 hours, and this may have been your initial motivation to refund $75, which you did not do after saying that you would, for whatever reason, but which still left the customer in the lurch.
4) Like many here, you choose to use the word liar in describing your customer in this transaction, and that IYO they are to be avoided based on your experience with them.
5) The customer claims the surviving "female" is a "male".
6) While an earlier post where the customer pointed out that your animals were very well packed and arrived in what appeared excellent condition, this does not preclude one from quickly heading south, which is what the customer claimed. I have had animals that I shipped arrive very well, only to then show signs of stress soon afterwards. IMO its immaterial with regard to your guarantee.
7) This "experience" with the customer includes notification of the pending death of a gecko at about 48 hours, the customer's claim that a veterinary analysis confirming both the presence of high levels of coccidia and confirmation of death as being available, and the customer's impatience after more than two weeks has elapsed since you promised a partial refund? What was the customer thinking ?
Some may want to argue the "technicality" of your TOS, as you did yesterday, that "death" did not occur in the alloted 72 hours, but rather 96 hours. We discussed this in PM, and I doubt IMHO there is a poster here who would not feel that you had an obligation since you were told "death was imminent" within the 72 hours, even allowing for the dispute over actual delivery date. I would like to see how others react who have been in that exact situation as a customer, and if they would feel that they were asking the seller to "cave"?
Lynn, I wish you well, and again thank you for your thoughtful answers yesterday. But in the end here, I feel you only fulfilled your minimum obligation as a seller, with this round of BOI self-indulgence added in for good measure. And you took the long road doing it.
Now, lets sit back and watch the BOI at its serious (cough) best
I have painted a bulls-eye on myself on more than one occasion in this thread, and was then out of town for a few days. Let me get out the stencil again to re-afix the target.
First off, I would like to thank you for your thoughtful and candid answers to my PM's of yesterday. From what I had read in the thread, I thought that the seeking of a full PayPal refund by the customer was excessive. But I also wanted to get more info from you before I attempted to influence anybody. All that said, I have an opposing opinion to much of the last 20-30 posts or so, based on these facts as stated (let me know if I have them wrong):
1) You stated early in the claim, in emails to the customer, that you would refund $75. You were unable to due to lack of funds.
2) Communications waned, and after no refund, the customer initiated a PayPal dispute.
3) You came to this thread, posting some info, and pointing out that the actual demise of the animal fell outside of your 72 hour "death" guarantee. You did point out that you had been notified of "imminent death" within the 72 hours, and this may have been your initial motivation to refund $75, which you did not do after saying that you would, for whatever reason, but which still left the customer in the lurch.
4) Like many here, you choose to use the word liar in describing your customer in this transaction, and that IYO they are to be avoided based on your experience with them.
5) The customer claims the surviving "female" is a "male".
6) While an earlier post where the customer pointed out that your animals were very well packed and arrived in what appeared excellent condition, this does not preclude one from quickly heading south, which is what the customer claimed. I have had animals that I shipped arrive very well, only to then show signs of stress soon afterwards. IMO its immaterial with regard to your guarantee.
7) This "experience" with the customer includes notification of the pending death of a gecko at about 48 hours, the customer's claim that a veterinary analysis confirming both the presence of high levels of coccidia and confirmation of death as being available, and the customer's impatience after more than two weeks has elapsed since you promised a partial refund? What was the customer thinking ?
Some may want to argue the "technicality" of your TOS, as you did yesterday, that "death" did not occur in the alloted 72 hours, but rather 96 hours. We discussed this in PM, and I doubt IMHO there is a poster here who would not feel that you had an obligation since you were told "death was imminent" within the 72 hours, even allowing for the dispute over actual delivery date. I would like to see how others react who have been in that exact situation as a customer, and if they would feel that they were asking the seller to "cave"?
Lynn, I wish you well, and again thank you for your thoughtful answers yesterday. But in the end here, I feel you only fulfilled your minimum obligation as a seller, with this round of BOI self-indulgence added in for good measure. And you took the long road doing it.
Now, lets sit back and watch the BOI at its serious (cough) best
Chameleon Company said:Hey Lynn,
I have painted a bulls-eye on myself on more than one occasion in this thread, and was then out of town for a few days. Let me get out the stencil again to re-afix the target.
First off, I would like to thank you for your thoughtful and candid answers to my PM's of yesterday. From what I had read in the thread, I thought that the seeking of a full PayPal refund by the customer was excessive. But I also wanted to get more info from you before I attempted to influence anybody. All that said, I have an opposing opinion to much of the last 20-30 posts or so, based on these facts as stated (let me know if I have them wrong):
1) You stated early in the claim, in emails to the customer, that you would refund $75. You were unable to due to lack of funds.
2) Communications waned, and after no refund, the customer initiated a PayPal dispute.
3) You came to this thread, posting some info, and pointing out that the actual demise of the animal fell outside of your 72 hour "death" guarantee. You did point out that you had been notified of "imminent death" within the 72 hours, and this may have been your initial motivation to refund $75, which you did not do after saying that you would, for whatever reason, but which still left the customer in the lurch.
4) Like many here, you choose to use the word liar in describing your customer in this transaction, and that IYO they are to be avoided based on your experience with them.
5) The customer claims the surviving "female" is a "male".
6) While an earlier post where the customer pointed out that your animals were very well packed and arrived in what appeared excellent condition, this does not preclude one from quickly heading south, which is what the customer claimed. I have had animals that I shipped arrive very well, only to then show signs of stress soon afterwards. IMO its immaterial with regard to your guarantee.
7) This "experience" with the customer includes notification of the pending death of a gecko at about 48 hours, the customer's claim that a veterinary analysis confirming both the presence of high levels of coccidia and confirmation of death as being available, and the customer's impatience after more than two weeks has elapsed since you promised a partial refund? What was the customer thinking ?
Some may want to argue the "technicality" of your TOS, as you did yesterday, that "death" did not occur in the alloted 72 hours, but rather 96 hours. We discussed this in PM, and I doubt IMHO there is a poster here who would not feel that you had an obligation since you were told "death was imminent" within the 72 hours, even allowing for the dispute over actual delivery date. I would like to see how others react who have been in that exact situation as a customer, and if they would feel that they were asking the seller to "cave"?
Lynn, I wish you well, and again thank you for your thoughtful answers yesterday. But in the end here, I feel you only fulfilled your minimum obligation as a seller, with this round of BOI self-indulgence added in for good measure. And you took the long road doing it.
Now, lets sit back and watch the BOI at its serious (cough) best
Jim,
I am convinced that you have truly lost your mind. Your affection for a low life piece of trash like Wendy has clouded your judgment. Lynn gave the woman a refund (against recommendation but in line with her feelings of right and wrong) and you still want to play games and try to make that gutter trash (Wendy or Jeanne, take your pick) look like anything but the criminal that she is. If this had been her first time pulling this scam then maybe there would be some justification in playing devil's advocate or outright defending her but that is far from the case. You have gone a long way towards ruining your reputation and yet you still don't know when to stop. Its quite sad...
Jamie
Chameleon Company
New member
Jamie,
I thank you for demonstrating the larger point which caused me to cough at the end of my last post.
I thank you for demonstrating the larger point which caused me to cough at the end of my last post.
Wilomn
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I gave you the negative karma. What many seem to forget is that it is for THAT POST that karma was given. I think you totally caved. I think you made it easier and more likely that they will succeed in the future at ripping people off just the way you did.
I don't think you're a bad person. I just think you gave in. You may well have promised to give a partial refund, but under what premis was that promise given? Was it proven true, that premis? Or is there doubt enough, have these two had THIS EXACT problem often enough, that it is likely to be just another scam? I say there is doubt aplenty that it is a scam and that you, given all the details, chose the easy way out.
That's just my opinion of THIS particular deal. People forget that this is JUST fauna and not real life. I'd probably buy from you, with confidence. You're not a bad guy. Just an easily intimidated one, from all appearences.
I don't think you're a bad person. I just think you gave in. You may well have promised to give a partial refund, but under what premis was that promise given? Was it proven true, that premis? Or is there doubt enough, have these two had THIS EXACT problem often enough, that it is likely to be just another scam? I say there is doubt aplenty that it is a scam and that you, given all the details, chose the easy way out.
That's just my opinion of THIS particular deal. People forget that this is JUST fauna and not real life. I'd probably buy from you, with confidence. You're not a bad guy. Just an easily intimidated one, from all appearences.
KelliH
doesn't drink the koolaid
Is there proof that the ciliatus had high levels of coccidia, such as a vet report? Also, proof that the surviving gecko is indeed a male? I'd love to see it, but I am not holding my breath.
kmurphy
New member
Jim, you were hardly impartial in this transaction. You appear to believe Wendy and Jeane no matter what they say or do. In impartial advisor may suggested that Lynn see the vet report, and may have questioned Wendy as to why the surviving animal is listed as a female on her sight. Also why the arrival picture was taken 2-3 days after the arrival. An impartial advisor wouldn't have told Lynn to pay the money, as she promised, before learning these things.
ladywhipple02
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If you look at her website, you will see that she has the female I sold her---the one she claims is male---listed on the site as a female breeder: http://www.freewebs.com/crazycresties/breederspictures.htm
The gecko is on the third page, named Mind Eraser.
Here is my picture of the gecko:
Check out the spots. The ones on the back and the spot on the elbow. Exactly the same. If it's a male, why is she posting it on her site as a female?
Also, I have now sent her an email three times explaining why I did not send the funds within a week---I have also stated it on this website... she sent me an email telling me that she was shutting down her paypal account and would be opening a new one. I assumed---yes, it was a mistake, one of many I admit to having made in this transaction---that she would send me the new paypal address when it was up and running. Part of the wait was me attempting to put money onto a credit card---I also told her this in an email---not due to lack of funds.
As of today, I have sent her $81 through paypal. I originally sent $76, but she emailed me back claiming that she had made no deal to incure any paypal fees and wanted the FULL $75. So I sent her more money.
I feel I have completed this mess of a transaction to the best of my ability. There WERE many mistakes made... I admitted as much. I have taken responsibility for mine.
The gecko is on the third page, named Mind Eraser.
Here is my picture of the gecko:
Check out the spots. The ones on the back and the spot on the elbow. Exactly the same. If it's a male, why is she posting it on her site as a female?
Also, I have now sent her an email three times explaining why I did not send the funds within a week---I have also stated it on this website... she sent me an email telling me that she was shutting down her paypal account and would be opening a new one. I assumed---yes, it was a mistake, one of many I admit to having made in this transaction---that she would send me the new paypal address when it was up and running. Part of the wait was me attempting to put money onto a credit card---I also told her this in an email---not due to lack of funds.
As of today, I have sent her $81 through paypal. I originally sent $76, but she emailed me back claiming that she had made no deal to incure any paypal fees and wanted the FULL $75. So I sent her more money.
I feel I have completed this mess of a transaction to the best of my ability. There WERE many mistakes made... I admitted as much. I have taken responsibility for mine.
ladywhipple02
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Is there anyone who can post a screen shot for me?
Cory_Best
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ladywhipple02 said:
Getting a refund of $75.00 for a scam she's pulling wasn't enough? She then contacted you and wanted an additional 4% and you sent it? I commend your professionalism throughout this scam but when are you going to realize it is indeed a scam they are pulling on you? Did you ask for a vet report? Did you ask for anything beyond the out of date pictures they sent you?
You know what, I could go on and on but you already sent the money. Next time a couple of Nazi bitches intimidate you. Go down swinging instead of rolling over. I know your the victim here but damn.