Beware Of Steve Smith Of Southern States Exotics!!

[SthrnStExotics]

Done

I am done with you..Go sell your BULL somewhere else.

This matter is resolved..Unless you just cant leave it alone.

In that case go talk to your buddy Sal about it. I am finished with this thread. Except for posting a copy of the check made out to you, and then a copy of you cashing it.

Then I hope I can forget I ever even thought about Upstate Exotics.

Try to rebuild your name and leave mine alone.....When it comes down to it there was no real winner in this only losers. The animals.


Love Always

Steve Smith
Southern State Exotics

 

[herpcondo]

THE FUNNY THING,,,

I guess to me the funny thing is all Steve had to do was pay what he owed,, To Upstate Exotics,,, If the animals were in such bad shape he could have sent them back,, but instead he tried to retail them and pass "bad animals" on to the poor consumer who unknowingly chose to do business with them.
what i find funny about all of this is there are 5183 members of the Fauna Classifieds,, and who knows how many Visitors come by.
this thread has 7 pages to date,,,
but it has had a full 2226 views,,, some i am sure are repeats,,
but i bet 2000 people saw this thread,,, that is 2000 people including me that will be avoiding SouthernStateExotics like the plague...
my question is was the few dollars you were fighting about really worth your reputation going straight to the dumps!?
this thread will always be here, it is not gonna just go away,,, months from now,, someone will consider doing business with SSE ( if they are still around) and will come across this thread,,, after reading all of this, would you want to send SSE your hard earned money..?
lastly ,, if they follow through on what Steve says he is gonna do,, he is gonna end up paying the money in the end anyway,,,

You said "it was not about the money" then please explain what was it "about" ?
How come every scammer says that..?
i just find it very funny and ironic that the money,( if it does go through ) is what it was all about the whole time!
What else could it possibly be..?
(Sure was not about selling SICK ANIMALS! to consumers...)
so how many sick animals do you have right now you are trying to peddle on KS...?

 

[UpstateExotics1]

Try to rebuild your name and leave mine alone

You're the one that did a fine job of ruining your own name. Only in the business 4 months and already earning a fine reputation is amazing.

This matter is resolved

Not until we receive our money.



Also, alot of people are referring to these animals being sick. They were not sick. This is only b/c it's the defense Steve is trying to take to not have to pay us the full $1322 that he rightfully owes us. There was never any proof of these animals being sick, no vet reports, no pictures....and up until today he still cannot provide proof....let alone contact us about them being sick. Like I said earlier, they had plenty of time to email us about a referral, but no time to tell us he was unhappy with these so called "sick animals"?

I know when we first started in the business, money was tight, and if we received an order that was not "sell-able" we sure as hell would not try to spend more money to nurse them back to health, we would contact the person/company who sold them to us and get a refund.

I do not want people thinking when they read this thread the what Steve has said about the animals' condition is true...it is not.

We have pictures of alot of the animals Steve is referring to being "sickly" on our site....pictures don't lie. Also we have sold alot of the same animals that Steve received in his shipment to very happy customers.

 

[Darin Chappell]

Alison lecturing ANYBODY about ruining a reputation??? Will wonders never cease?

Let it go, Alison. You'll get your money. Tony got his back because your bank isn't as shoddy as your business. It would be wonderful now if Upstate Exotics faded into history, footnoted as a bad dream no one wants to recall!

 

[SthrnStExotics]

To Joe

Well Joe you see the funny thing to me is that no matter what I say you will in some way twist it around. So why respond. Why should I even try. Your opinion is formed. Every person who reads this should have their own opinion. So let them use it.

You act like I have done something wrong. Some of the animals were in good shape. Those are the ones that I have offered to pay for. Or did you miss that. Being the super sleuth that you are I dont see how you could have, but if you did. I only sold animals that were abil and in good enough shape to sell. There were around $1200 worth of animals in all that I am going to pay the remaining balance on.

Besides that fact there are another 2000 people that will read this. You can go ahead and say whatever you want to. I am here, I was here yesterday and will be here tomorrow.

I have many well satisfied customers and a lot of return business from them. I had one Monitor that I sold out of the order from Sal die and I made good on it.

Just go ahead and judge me on this , but you had really better consider the source before you start throwing stones my way.

Steve Smith

 

[herpcondo]

Hey Steve
You can call me a "super slueth" no,,,, i am just not gonna let you play both sides of the fence,,,

you said in the very last post,
,

You act like I have done something wrong. Some of the animals were in good shape. Those are the ones that I have offered to pay for. Or did you miss that.

and on page 2 your exact words were:

The lizards got here. They were in terriable shape. Many were dead when they arrived. Some were in the bags so long that they had actually molded in them. I have no idea how this man can treat animals the way he dose. He treats them worse than people he dose business with. Every bag was terriable. They were all full of defication. It looked like they had been in the bags for months. All they animals were dehydrated. Mites were everywhere. There were 10 burmese pythons also that were covered in mites.

So were all the "bags terrible" and "all the animals dehydrated"?
if so then it does not sound like "they were in good shape"
so which is it,, was the whole shipment bad as you said on page 2 , or was the shipment no where near as bad as you made it out , and you are just now telling the truth ...?

These are all your words,, above,,,
i did not make you out to be a bad guy,,, you are doing that all by yourself,, by having 2 different stories,, as things in this thread come to light,,,

I don't care about Southern State Exotics,,, what i care about is the customers you are selling animals to that you have admitted were in terrible shape... it makes things hard on all of the rest of us who try and sell only quality animals! and try and earn a customers trust by selling them something that has never been "mite infested" or in a bag so long some of the dead animals had "molded" .
What the herp industry does not need is more people who sell cheap bad quality imports and ruin the herp industry for the rest of us who breed, and give the best of care to our animals that we also sell....
there is a need for imports in this world ,, but as someone up above said, they need to have facilities and knowledge to to bring them up to a healthy and sellable state. not someone who buys them on tuesday,, and has them for sale on thursday,,,
( like you did)
there are enough of those already out there,, if you plan on staying the reptile world concentrate on captive bred animals,, you and your customer will be so much happier... and the 10 dollars you customer could have saved by buying a cheap import will be happily forgotten,,, when they get a very well fed and mite free animal ............................

 

[Stardust]

I am with Joe on this one. You are contradicting yourself to no end here.
And what is up with the monitor? If all the lizards were that bad why did you sell it in the first place? How long was the animal under your care to make sure it was good enough to sell? Did this monitor come from a moldy bag?
No one has ruined your name more than yourself!!!
I do not think Alison should let up, if you were needing money in the first place, enough to get credit from her for all these sick and dead and dying animals that you couldn't sell, then I wouldnt know WHERE the money is coming from now.

 

[UpstateExotics1]

I had one Monitor that I sold out of the order from Sal die and I made good on it.

What I'd like to know is when did you sell this monitor....and how long did the customer have it before you offered a refund...is there any proof of it? And even so, there's no proof of anything you have even tried to accuse us of. It's all your opinion, all hearsay.

Also, regardless of anything, you purchased wholesale and sold retail...it is not OUR responsibility to credit YOUR customers. Or be penalized b/c of something you sold.

Do you think I go back to my wholesalers after I purchase animals and sell them to a customer when I have to refund that customer for whatever reason? NO

Some were in the bags so long that they had actually molded in them.

Can you show any proof of these "moldy" bags that were sent to you (I know you have a digital camera)...NO...and you never tried to...you just lied about it.

 

[Wilomn]

Do you think I go back to my wholesalers after I purchase animals and sell them to a customer when I have to refund that customer for whatever reason? NO

Above is a quote from alison. I believe the answer to this question should continue on with: NO, we just don't give them any refund at all, whether or not we sent them the correct animal, the correct number of animals, or anything even resembling the animal they ordered. Once we have our customers money we just don't give a rat's ass what we send them.

alison, it's sort of rich you asking questions about a monitor after the little fiasco with the captive bred... er, wild caught one that you sold not so long ago.

You really don't get it do you? No one, at least no one with the intelligence of a flea, believes anything you say. You have so TOTALLY ruined your reputation that ritual sepeku should be a consideration. Either that or maybe give politics some consideration, you have the perfect mentality for it, i.e. I didn't do it, no one saw me do it, no one can prove I did it, it was someone else that did it, even if it was me that did it someone else did it to me first, I wasn't the only one who did it, and to complete the circle back to I didn't do it and even though you have OVERWHELMING proof I will still deny that it really was me that did it.

Well, at least you're good for a laugh, sort of sad that it's all you seem to be good for, but it is just this side of good for absolutely nothing.

Wes Pollock

 

[UpstateExotics1]

You know Wes....it sure is a good thing that you can lift heavy things.........

 

[Wilomn]

Well, alison, if you're implying that it's good I can lift heavy things because I'm on the not so smart end of the intelligence scale, all I can say is " dayup miss ladyma'am, you shore am the smartsy one here. Yup, you am. Cuz I wooda never noed that I kood steel lyke you dun or lied the way you do, shucks dumb ol me, well, I would have been honest and never gotten myself in the position you wound up in. I guess I'm not smart enough to know that lieing, and stealing, and selling sick and misrepresented animals is WRONG. I guess I'm just too dumb to know that the best way to build and keep a good reputation is by being honest, selling what you actually have, such as captive bred animals that were actually bred in captivity and not freshly imported and taking care of customers, not trying to make everything I do wrong their fault. I guess if I were as smart as you I wouldn't think it was despicable to treat people the way you did Tony and Robin and who knows how many others.

Yup, now that you mention it it's a good thing I can do the heavy lifting thing, otherwise I might have seen you for the poor excuse of a business woman you are. In fact if I really were smart I may have mentioned it MONTHS ago. I reckon it's a good thing I'm not so smart. Yup yup yup, you are sooooooo right about that.

Wes Pollock