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Bill Leverton SCAMMER beware

Wendy, I would polietly suggest that go back to your original post in this thread and look at the little black marks outside of #6 blotch, and look at their similarities. Realize that the curves and bends of the snake as well as the angle of the pic affect the shape of the actual main blotch #6 that you are referring to. I realize your point, but I am here to say that that is indeed the same snake (in my opinion). I have nothing to gain out of it, and it saddens me to say it, but Lee did not ask to have this happen to him. Also look at what Dennie Thomas said. He thought different at first, but has now changed his mind after inspecting the photos more closely and taking the different pics into consideration. It is not an easy thing to do, but like Ben, I have done this many times with my own snakes and lizards, and you would be amazed at what a different position or camera angle can do to a marking on them.
 
bill
dont say you are sorry for the way this looks, say you are sorry for stealing money and lying about getting no snake and keeping it a reselling it. Apologize for that. You say you would never take any money from anyone, but you will certainly crook some money from lee--
 
ben siegel said:
GOOD LORD---IT IS THE SAME SNAKE ALREADY--NO DOUBT--INVERT THAT TAIL PATTERN WENDY AND TAKE THE PIC AT A DIFFERENT ANGLE AND IT WILL LOOK DIFFERENT---THE GUY SCAMMED LEE---GOT VICIOUSLY BUSTED AND NOW HAS TO PAY THE PRICE FOR STEALING MONEY--BECAUSE WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT---HE STOLE MONEY FROM LEE----STOLE MONEY!!!--that is it-it is done-that is as crooked as it gets-i love how he got religous at one point in a post he put up-seems like some people tend to do that as well when they are scamming you out of money. The best thing this guy could do right now is grow a set---admit he lied and stole and take his medicine. I mean for christ sakes--he has children-what kind of example does he want to set for them?- :uzi:
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Ok first off Ben other then this thread here theres never been one bad thing ever said about me.Now for the religion thing it didnt just pop up as of this post It happened on account of a near death thing.And about my kids what kind of example did I set, Hummm I must of set a good one seeing as they are out defending our country and our right to be posting this. so let me get this straight If I lie and say ya I stole Lee snake then this all stops????
 
ben siegel said:
GOOD LORD---IT IS THE SAME SNAKE ALREADY--NO DOUBT--INVERT THAT TAIL PATTERN WENDY AND TAKE THE PIC AT A DIFFERENT ANGLE AND IT WILL LOOK DIFFERENT---THE GUY SCAMMED LEE---GOT VICIOUSLY BUSTED AND NOW HAS TO PAY THE PRICE FOR STEALING MONEY--BECAUSE WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT---HE STOLE MONEY FROM LEE----STOLE MONEY!!!
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BEN, JUST BECAUSE I AM SEEING SOMETHING DIFFERENT DOESN'T GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO JUMP UP AND SCEAM AT ME, SO YOU BEN CAN SIMPLY KISS MY ASS.

Im trying to see and understand what others are seeing but as I said I am NOT a snake person so I need a little help, so IF you have anthing else you want to direct towards me please do it with a little bit less of an attitude :flamethr:
 
"GOOD LORD---IT IS THE SAME SNAKE ALREADY--NO DOUBT--INVERT THAT TAIL PATTERN WENDY AND TAKE THE PIC AT A DIFFERENT ANGLE AND IT WILL LOOK DIFFERENT---THE GUY SCAMMED LEE---GOT VICIOUSLY BUSTED AND NOW HAS TO PAY THE PRICE FOR STEALING MONEY--BECAUSE WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT---HE STOLE MONEY FROM LEE----STOLE MONEY!!!--that is it-it is done-that is as crooked as it gets-i love how he got religous at one point in a post he put up-seems like some people tend to do that as well when they are scamming you out of money. The best thing this guy could do right now is grow a set---admit he lied and stole and take his medicine. I mean for christ sakes--he has children-what kind of example does he want to set for them?- " Ben

Ben just never gets into these things, and even he is upset by this, and has felt compeled to post. There is no doubts here at this point folks. The party is over. Bill's "I do not ask anyone for anything" defense is lame and his obvious ploys for sympathy are pathetic. It is the same snake unless you are Neil, and then... well, it is whatever you want it to be.
 
Jim and James, thanks for trying to explain this to me in a reasonable way, I just don't see it and don't know anything about snakes.
 
"Jim and James, thanks for trying to explain this to me in a reasonable way, I just don't see it and don't know anything about snakes."

You are quite welcome. I can understand where you are having trouble with this, and it is just one of things you have to have done (photo id the same snake in various positions).

I hate to speak for anyone (please forgive me Ben), but I don't think Ben meant any harm by raising his voice. He just knows what he knows, and it can be frusterating when people do not see what is obvious to them.
 
Wendy not taking a shot at ya here but you keep saying "I just don't see it and don't know anything about snakes." If you want to have a better idea on the arrow as some call it- draw the arrow shaped marking that your talking about on a sheet of paper and look at it from different angles then tape the sheet into a tube and look at it again fron different angles and maybe you'll see what they are talking about. Sort of like how the land masses look on a world map as compared to a globe the world and snakes are not flat.. Randy
 
Clearwater_Reptiles said:
Ok I guess this proves Im not really a man of my word
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If you say so Bill.

Clearwater_Reptiles said:
Im not going to ask now even tho its still a 50-50 on this snakes looks,
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Are you high? The snakes are identical. You're caught Bill. Just say..."You got me". We already know the problems that have befallen you. Were a functioning community remember? Good news as well as bad travels fast. You fell from grace and we will help you rise up again....as a community. BUT BILL.....don't take us for fools here and play these silly games.

Please ship the snake to me so I can do the photos and comparison. It wont cost you a dime for shipping, in either direction. I'll even go out on a limb and guarantee a live arrival to you at the value you paid for the snake. Can you beat that Bill? I'm trying to help you here. Take my offer or just tell us all the damn truth.
 
wendy

did not mean to jump all over you--totally did not---just frustrated as i can relate to this problem directly and it just peeves me to see someone try to defend themselves like this. And to bill-i dont want you to admit you stole to shut everyone up and make this stop-it would be hard to make it genuine at all at this point-i am sure you have personal problems--not a good reason to steal and deny it--we all have our problems throughout life--got to make amends and move on. I am done here--hate to even get involved with these things, but this one struck a definate nerve with me being that i have had this happen and had no defense but to eat my costs even though i knew i was being scammed. I mean dude--you denied and denied and denied-changed you story--gave a sob story----it took someone to practically draw a complex map of this animal for you to even start changing your tune. My only question is this--DID YOU RECEIVE THAT SNAKE IN THE MAIL AND LIE ABOUT GETTING AN EMPTY BOX?
 
Chuck, You are a nice guy, but we both know he will never agree to do anything like that, as it would serve to prove his guilt, and he would loose his only supporters (Neil, and maybe Wendy). Why would he want to do something like that and expose his guilt when he can keep his few gullible supporters in his corner.
 
Wendy, when I say gullible I mean it in the nicest way possible. You could also replace gullible with loyal as well :)
 
Looks like the same snake to me(but I do wear glasses). However, I see a way Bill could clear his name if he is willing to attempt it. Bill, you stated that the length of the snake that you have for sale is less than the length of the snake that Lee sold you almost 3 months ago, correct? If you could post a picture of the snake next to a ruler showing its size and Lee could varify the size of the snake that he sent, that would simply end this all together if the snake you have is smaller. We can argue different patterns, similar patterns, or same patterns for days, but size is one thing that can't be agrued. Snakes don't shrink :)
 
"If you could post a picture of the snake next to a ruler showing its size and Lee could varify the size of the snake that he sent, that would simply end this all together if the snake you have is smaller."

Daniel,

Don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen.
 
Ok I was caught and I apologize for this I will take what is coming to me and all those people who put their faith in me. I am sorry and I hope in time I will regain your Trust Lee will get his money next week ..Let the beatings begin :rolleyes:
 
I just put a lot of effort into proving saddle #6 was in fact the same in both pics by drawing a similair marking on one of my snakes. Wasted effort now.

Good for you admitting what you did. I can't begin to imagine why you did it~ but admitting the truth is a good first step.
 
If I had doubts before, after looking at the picture comparisons that Donna posted there’s now no doubt in my mind that it’s the same snake. If anyone wants to go ahead and send cameras, snake or both great, but in MHO the only thing that’s left is Lee’s rightful compensation. So yes, now the $200 should be returned.
 
"Ok I was caught and I apologize for this I will take what is coming to me and all those people who put their faith in me. I am sorry and I hope in time I will regain your Trust Lee will get his money next week"

A big step in the right direction.

"Let the beatings begin"

Is that what you think this is about? It may very well be for some. However, it really should not be about beating you down. It is not even about you. It is about Lee, and it is about getting to the bottom of this big mess. And now we are getting closer. I just have one question (for now). Why?
 
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