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SouthBayGeckos said:
so, if you care so much about your geckos...

i don't understand why you would even want me to try to breed this gecko!!! IT COULD KILL HER! READ MARCIA'S POSTS!!

this is the quote from the vet:

"AS FAR AS BREEDING, SHOULD BE ABLE TO PASS EGGS OK, BUT CAN'T BE SURE"

**And don't forget, these were a "breeding" pair, and since the female is not breedable... I think that completely negates the entire transaction, and I should be able to send you both of them back for a full refund. **
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I never told you to breed her, I am simply stating the point that it could be done, not that I recommend it. Your vet herself said that it could be done, so by you trying to make a claim that this is not a breeding pair, that is a lie.
 
Hypocalcemia simply means a low blood calcium level.

While I do not question the fact that Brittney deserves a refund for the female, as there is definitely a problem with her, keep in mind also that mild hypocalcemia was the only thing the vet could definitively diagnose. Brandon, in his very first email, offered a refund on her....I don't know why this has had to continue.

I think BOTH of you really need to take a step back, take a deep breath, and sleep on all of this. It's all getting WAY out of hand.
 
On another note...

Brandon, I agree that this gecko should never be bred. There is no telling if she could become egg-bound in the very least or at worst succumb due to a severe loss of calcium during gestation. It may be an anomaly she was born with (being unable to metabolise her calcium efficiently).

Sometimes these things happen. It's up to you both to compromise.

(I'm married so I'm used to it- LOL!) :D
 
So please correct me if i'm wrong...

but i do believe you just stated you WOULDN'T RECOMMEND BREEDING A FEMALE YOU JUST SOLD ME AS A BREEDER?!!?!!

so um, how do we deal with this now?

as i've said... I will ship them back if I can get a full refund on the geckos.

or i'll ship her back for HALF the refund.
 
SouthBayGeckos said:
on another note,

also from my vet... and from Marcia...

Breeding this Female would only exacerbate the condition of her low calcium, leading to a number of health issues and perhaps death.

on another issue,

if I did try to breed this gecko like you say I should, put yourself in my shoes.

would YOU, Brandon, show your customers a deformed gecko? and say, "this is my babies mother, buy my geckos" ... just a thought.

Just as a note, I would NEVER try to breed this gecko. I would not want to be the cause of her death.
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This gecko does not have MBD, you stated it has hypocalcemia, which you said yourself can be fixed. So thus meaning the only problem with her breeding since she does not have MBD is what is really going on with her hip. It wasnt even really determined what is going on with the hip besides a few people suggesting that it is a congenital deformity, which Kelli (One of the top gecko breeders in the US) stated herself like half way threw this thread that it is not genetic. So if she does not have MBD, and she is able to pass eggs, which your vet said she should be able to, then as long as her calcium comes up, which can be taken care of, she would be able to breed. If the hip is the only problem, and its not genetic, then thats like breeding a gecko with a regenerated tail. And now that I think about it, if a gecko has a regenerated tail and I want to sell it, I would probably knock like $50 off the price since it has a VISUAL defect. So since this is most likely the case that the hip is a visual defect, I am willing to offer you a $50 refund because of it. That means you then would have only paid $300 for the pair, which is a very nice price considering they are both very beautiful geckos. What do you think about that?
 
Brandon, for the love of all that's sacred, just refund her money and have her ship both geckos back! Sometimes as a professional we have to do things we don't really want to do, to make customers we don't care to have feel whole again. If I was in your shoes in this situation that is what I would do. The customer is not happy, and really in her defense she has a reason not to be, with the deformity. I can see both sides of this, really! Let me give you an example. I sold a beautiful leo to a customer a couple of years ago, the animal was pictured on my website on my available page. When the lady received the gecko, she emailed me pics of one of it's feet and it was missing two toes. I am ashamed to admit that, but it's the truth. For whatever reason i did not notice, and we both agreed it was quite clear in the photo of the gecko as well! I felt really bad and I offered to refund half of her money and let her keep the gecko, or she could send it back for a full refund and of course I would pay for the shipping to send it back to me. She decided to keep it and all worked out fine. I'm trying to tell you that sometimes you have to go above and beyond what might be fair in "business sense" and do what morally is the right thing. Really, in the end, doing things like that only helps your business and increases the level of respect your peers have for you, as well as the respect you have for yourself.

As for the vet fee, I would offer to pay the whole thing, but that's just me.
 
I don't understand how you keep saying I could breed her, when you have stated yourself that you never would. I don't take changes in my projects.

secondly,
the Vet never ruled out MBD. she could still have MBD.

and once again, I will send you the girl for half of the price. or i'll send you both for a full refund. when will you get to the point of what this is really about?

You know, you're really showing yourself for who you really are right now.

So I would suggest taking my offer before more people read what you've been posting.
 
SouthBayGeckos said:
So please correct me if i'm wrong...

but i do believe you just stated you WOULDN'T RECOMMEND BREEDING A FEMALE YOU JUST SOLD ME AS A BREEDER?!!?!!

so um, how do we deal with this now?

as i've said... I will ship them back if I can get a full refund on the geckos.

or i'll ship her back for HALF the refund.
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There is no way you are getting Half of the refund. That would mean that you actually got that male for $150! for a 65 gram beautiful mack bell! That is rediculous. I told you that I woulnt be happy to recieve less than $250 for him, but just to end this nonsence, I will take $225 for him, tack $50 shipping on top of that and that means that I would owe you $125 back. I would be willing to do that, this is a mess and I just want it to end.
 
again,

if it doesn't end the way kelli reccomended,

there is going to be a huge problem.

I believe I'm entitled to the male for that price because of the trouble and the fact, again, that I was shipped a female said to be in breeding condition, that has a clear deformity.

one last time,

I would like to ship the geckos back to you monday morning for a full refund.
 
I'm not attempting to imply that my way is the BEST way to do business or anything, I am just making the point that sometimes it's better to just do what needs to be done to make the customer "happy" and then move the heck on. A lot of people are reading this, take the high road, ya know? I think it was way too soon to be posting a BOI thread about this matter, and I'm not sure who this friend of hers was that recommended it but more time should have been given to think things through and try to work out the situation. Come on now, calm down, cool heads always prevail.
 
Brittney, you say, "again"?

You need to step back and decide EXACTLY what you think is fair before posting.

The post before that, you said you'd accept a refund on just the female. Originally, you had even said you'd like to keep the female "at pet price". Now, it's "It's going to end with me getting a full refund on both of the animals OR ELSE!".

No one can even keep up with what you are asking for.
 
have you been reading this thread?

I have recomended many solutions that have all been denied.

The last few posts I have said, I will send the female back for half the price, or both for a full refund. And that is what i'm sticking to.
 
Well there doesn't seem to be a dispute that some kind of refund is in order. If it was me i'd just refund the entire amount and expect the animals to be shipped back on my dime.

At this point i think things have just gotten too emotional. Brittney you seem to be changing your words to fit your argument.

In post #7 you state ...I have had geckos for years, worked with geckos, and studied them. I knew right away it could have been "healed" MBD or a fracture. So I called my vet.

but in post # 167 you claim to be new to the gecko world and deeling with the situation the way a seasoned breeder friend advised you too. Those two statements just spike my curiosity.

In the beggining you also said you'd like some kind of partial refund and keep her as a pet. Then you say you want a full refund and then go back to you'd like to keep her as a pet. You almost seem like your not sure exactly what you want. Maybe you just need to take a step back and take some time to really think about it?

just my 2 cents
 
Cat_72 said:
Brittney, you say, "again"?

You need to step back and decide EXACTLY what you think is fair before posting.

The post before that, you said you'd accept a refund on just the female. Originally, you had even said you'd like to keep the female "at pet price". Now, it's "It's going to end with me getting a full refund on both of the animals OR ELSE!".

No one can even keep up with what you are asking for.
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:iagree:
 
did any of you just read my post?

and I quote...

"have you been reading this thread?

I have recomended many solutions that have all been denied.

The last few posts I have said, I will send the female back for half the price, or both for a full refund. And that is what i'm sticking to."
 
Kelli said:
KelliH said:
Brandon, for the love of all that's sacred, just refund her money and have her ship both geckos back!
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Then you said,

SouthBayGeckos said:
again,

if it doesn't end the way kelli reccomended,

there is going to be a huge problem.

I would like to ship the geckos back to you monday morning for a full refund.
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Where in those posts does it say anything about just the female?

The last few posts I have said, I will send the female back for half the price, or both for a full refund.
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:bandhead0
 
If you want to argue like that, please don't waste your time. You know full an well what I'm offering as a solution...

either the female for half price, or both for full price.

do I need to post this again?

or even add it as my tag line?

seriously guys...
 
How is one to "know full and well" what you're saying, when you don't even appear to know???

Seriously Brittney....take some time, and get it sorted out....let it lie til morning.
 
SouthBayGeckos said:
have you been reading this thread?

I have recomended many solutions that have all been denied.

The last few posts I have said, I will send the female back for half the price, or both for a full refund. And that is what i'm sticking to.
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You have posted many solutions, most have been unreasonable, but I have still tried to go along with them, changing them to be not so 1 sided. What do you feel the female is worth? dont say half of the price because you know as well as I do, that is totally ridiculous, you stated earlier that you would be happy with just refunding the female so I am trying to work with that. If you would stop being unreasonable about it we could probably work this out
 
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