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Cindy Chicvara -aka- Dragonlady58 - take a pass!

And it took you longer to type out that you don't have time to make the refund~ than it would have taken to make the refund.

You've gone from being a little petty when you felt insulted ~ to just being a petty, nasty, little jack***.

Your hurting your own rep much more than hers.
 
Mike Greathouse said:
Chuck,
Although you could have ended this days ago with a few mouse clicks, you chose to stand on principle and wait for Cindy to request the refund.
Now that she has done this, you're telling her to wait another week?

She paid within 24 hours of the close of the auction.
Take 60 seconds and put this behind you.
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Mike,
I and I am sure most of the people here on Fauna have only the very highest
regard for you and I am sorry this buyer thought you had anything to do with this. As far as I am concerned your integrity is beyond question.

I do think Chuck should have quickly taken care of this rather than have it blow up into a customer service fiasco. I do not understand what purpose his actions serve.
 
Gosh Chuck, you seem a little hostile LOL

However, haven't you shredded other sellers and buyers for the same type of behavior that you are now displaying??

I don't want to cause any flames here because I like what you are capable of doing..........so so the right thing and just refund her money and get her out of your hair for good.
 
I think that the list of phrases which would describe this is both long, and accurate. We've all heard them elsewhere, and often here in the BOI. What comes to mind:
1) Cutting off your nose to spite your face;
2) Winning the battle but losing the war;
3) A Pyrrhic victory;
4) Leading a horse to water but can't make it drink;
5) Penny-wise and pound-foolish;
6) Be careful what you wish for;
7) Knowing when to cut one's losses;
etc.

For her part, it seems that Cyndi either didn't read the thread, or didn't comprehend the nature of many of the posts.
 
My apologise to Chuck. He never called her a scammer. I was reading the headline from the post below. His post was the same one made here.
 
One other aspect of this caught my attention with the initial post, and was only reinforced as this thread grew. If others alluded to it, my apologies for not noting such. My point is that, IMHO, this issue does not rise to any standard that would justify an attempt to harm Cindy's reputation with a posting here. So Chuck and Cindy had a hissy fit ! Nothing was stolen, misrepresented, etc. In fact, while Chuck could make the case that the animals could have remained on auction if not for this problem, and maybe have been sold to someone else by now, the decision to not complete the deal was Chuck's, if I read all correctly. To then feel the need to take it to another forum in order to further damage Cindy is equally petty. Besides not agreeing with Chuck's decision making with regards to issuing a timely refund and failure to be aware of UPS shipping policies throughout the holidays, I read it all and want to say "Big deal" in my best "so what" tone of voice. How cluttered would the BOI front page be if we all came here with such trivial concerns?
 
If you google Cindy's name you'll find she is pretty active in the dog community. You'll also find another bad guy thread started by Chuck on ReptileAuction.com. I really don't think she deserved to be called a scammer. She paid within 24 hrs. That's far from scamming.
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And, if you search further, you will also find out that there's a Cindy Chicvara who is also a Psychology Professor at a Florida College (very close to where she is at). The name it's not that common so I wouldn't be surprised if she was the same person.

Regards
 
Now he is just plain lying ....

Your request for a refund through PayPal has been received. Please be aware that while I would like to review and process your refund immediately, unfortunately I will not be available over the next seven days to do so.
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Now Chuck is just plain LYING - He would not "like to process it immediately" or he could have done it in the time it took to type that reply!! What a great businessman - I've seen 3 year olds have tantrums like this, but for a grown man who claims to be a proffesional in the industry this is unbelievable.
 
What's even worse is that he posted at 2:34 PM.
Sorry Dan....I'd love to take the time to reply, but I'm running out the door. Be back in seven days to reply to you all....
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If you look at his public profile it lists his last activity as:
Last Activity: 01-10-2006 02:59 PM
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Trader Rating: (6) [Rate This User!]
Warning Level: 95
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So Chuck, it at least appears that you hung around for another 25 minutes.
Why are you doing this to yourself?
Just refund this poor lady and stop ruining your reputation.

I'm not sure what's going on right now, but it's time to put this nonsense behind you. You have always been considered a good guy in the business. You can still make this right. Just show some professionalism, apologize to Cindy and refund her money.
 
critical bill
I dont want anyone to think I'm some hard nosed ass, thats not the case at all. I tried very hard to keep her informed and satisfied and in return I was treated like some shmuck. I treat people the way they want to be treated. Decency and respect is always met with the same, but play me just once like some fool and I can loose it rather quickly.

I despise a liar and I despise anyone who would exaggerate even the slightest just to make themselves shine. When youre wrong youre wrong and an apology is always in order. Thats the way it is in my book. To offer an apology and then hint youre not truly sorry in the same breathe is worse than simply saying nothing at all. I dont need to be humored by anyone and that is how I feel this woman treated me at the drop of a dime. From threats to implications I'm a deadbeat...she managed to push all my WRONG buttons.

I'm not screwing her out of any money. I'm simply refusing to cooperate and issue her a refund before PayPal requests it. She and I are done emailing each other because I know my next one will not be as nice as my last. Some of you may not like that approach, but thats the treatment she's earned for getting stupid with me. Make no mistakes that had she contacted me, and even sternly demanded a refund, stomping her foot, citing any delay as unexceptable, she'd have that refund right now. Threaten me or anything associated to me thinking I'm some chump who'll crumble and you've sealed your fate. She dont need me to get her money back through PayPal, although courtesy and decency would have expidited it most immediately.

So I'm saying it here as public record...that when and if Cindy requests the refund through PayPal...that I'll comply with that request within the designated time frame. If she doesnt, the money will be offered as donation in Cindy's name to any bona fide projects that are underway within the US that deals with box turtle conservation.
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What’s in the quote above is the only thing that differs from the e-mail exchange posted in this thread and the new post Chuck made on Reptibid. I’m posting it here because posting links is unacceptable.

Chuck,

In Adam’s thread you stated you should be counted among those who will not buy from him because he delayed the payment unnecessarily. On Monday you told Cindy you can’t take care of her situation because you are leaving for 7 days. Then on Tuesday you are in here posting a lenghty message. Isn’t it time for damage control? We are all trying to help here but it seem you have entered a self destructing mode! You probably don’t realize it now but in reality you have turned into Cindy’s 2006 pet project! And the sad thing is that she probably didn’t do it on purpose, you did it all by yourself! :(

Sorry
 
Sadly Chuck, the only one who has finally managed to earn the name "bad guy" in this thread has ended up being you.

I would gladly do business with Cindy. I have to say that this thread, regretfully, puts you on my "do not do business with" list.

As was pointed out a page or so back......"disappointing"
 
Chuck was also here today.

critical bill
Grab the hand damnit!
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So, while he inferred that he would be "running out the door" and unavailable for a week, it seems that this week's activities or location are not prohibitive from him accessing the internet, which would not preclude him from issuing Cindy's refund.

Chuck, I think you're demonstrating some hothead characteristics and a tendency to utilize semantics to justify your stance. That's probably going to cost you some business. I wish you'd take some of the advice that's been given to you by some accomplished business professionals here.
 
I'm sorry, but I agree that Chuck seriously over reacted to this whole mess.

What could have been fixed in a quick trip to PayPal.com has turned into a "she insulted me, so I am going to be a major asshole" ordeal.

Sorry, Chuck, but you ended up looking like the bad guy when all was said and done.
 
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