• Responding to email notices you receive.
    **************************************************
    In short, DON'T! Email notices are to ONLY alert you of a reply to your private message or your ad on this site. Replying to the email just wastes your time as it goes NOWHERE, and probably pisses off the person you thought you replied to when they think you just ignored them. So instead of complaining to me about your messages not being replied to from this site via email, please READ that email notice that plainly states what you need to do in order to reply to who you are trying to converse with.

  • IMPORTANT! PLEASE READ!! About the Google Adsense ads being displayed

    =====================
    Posted 08/15/2025
    =====================


    Yeah, I know. They are a pain in the butt. But they pay the bills to keep my server running. Just a fact of life, I am afraid.

    Want to get rid of them? Simple. Just become a Contributor level member or above and they will be gone. -> Please click HERE."

    Is that too much for me to ask of you to keep this site running? Well, sorry about that. I too wish I could get everything for free. But alas.....

    =====================
    Addendum: 01/10/2026
    =====================


    Google Adsense ad revenue for December, 2025 was just $30 over the cost of the lease for the server running this site. So, in effect, the money providing the incentive for me to continue running this site is coming SOLELY from the paid memberships and sponsorships here. Which honestly ain't much....

CMG Reptiles Inquiry

I dont mean to put a serious hobbyist in the same calssification as a person who thinks they know everything and have no experience. So i apoligize for that but the bottom line is my attitude is given because i feel i have been a canter of a witch hunt by a couple of friends of eachother on here which none of them have done business with me that is all. but take it how you want. my animals are the best quality you will get and i stand behind that and if a mistake has been made i correct it. im not one of these people who are going to sell you something blind and then basically tell you to screw yourself when it dies 2 days later. And like i said i will change the ad since people have such a big problem with it.




chris
 
Chris, I don't think you even tried to scam anyone, and I certainly don't think you're a bad guy. However, you've got to chill a little.

It's NOT OK to charge more for PayPal transactions, period. You can give a discount for cash if you want, and stay within regulations. Don't get touchy about it, just accept that, change the wording of the ad, and calm down.

I understand about protecting one's livelihood. However, maintaining your cool, your dignity, and your demeanor when in a difficult spot is essential for building your reputation. Stay professional, stay reasonable, and you will earn people's respect.

I'm not your momma, and you don't need anyone preaching at you....but I just want you to take a deep breath and show the world a better side of you. One of the worst things about the internet is that you can't effectively read someone's tone in a post...and one of the best things is that you can take time to think about a response, review it, amend it before hitting that "SEND" key. Use that to your advantage.

I really am typing this with the intention of giving you some advice. I apologize in advance if that's unwelcome. Sometimes when I see someone being reactionary and it's harming them, I can't resist the urge to try to slow them down.
 
I just wanted to let everyone here on the BOI who contributated posts. That just as Chris had promised, the paperwork on the 2 Het. Boa,s arrived today via Fed-Ex at 10:30 a.m. Good deal.

Thanks
Bill Rodriquez
 
Im glad you got them and again like i said via our email conversation i apoligize for the wait and i look forward to doing more business with you in the future.




Chris
 
Congratulations!

Well done Chris! You fulfilled your commitment with Bill, and changed your ad’s wording.

Wish you well in your future endeavors.
:)
 
Take this as a bit of perspective from the outside looking in (as if any of you people are even capable of understanding such a perspective!)

I recently put a $100 deposit on some tree pythons Chris was selling. I decided to check the forum to see if there was any bad feedback on the seller (a little late, sure...but better late than never!) before I sent the rest without reservation.

Here's my conclusion after reading this TWENTY ONE PAGE POST on CMG Reptiles:

I have NO FEAR and NO DOUBT that my purchase is a GOOD ONE. Why? Because I read every single page of this god**n crap, and not ONE person has posted ONE LEGITIMATE reason NOT to deal with Chris.

After reading this EPIC post, I have found four reasons I should place an order with Chris:

1. As stated his animals are flawless (as I learned here)
2. His packaging is 110% (as I learned here)
3. He uncondtionally guarantees his snakes (as I learned here)
...and last, but not least
4. The guy's got a great attitude.

Right on Chris. Hang in there. Can't wait till my pythons arrive.

As for the rest of you---think about this:

TWENTY ONE PAGES on A PICTURE DISPUTE, a PAPERWORK PROBLEM, and PAYPAL SURCHARGES (which I also add to all my ebay items...OH MY GOD...huhbluh!)

I also run a very busy business, and it's people like some of you who make it tough to live the statement "the customer is always right".

Sometimes, the customer is just a moron.

My heartfelt thanks for the amusement...

Gary
 
Gary,

So what you are telling us seems to be that on Ebay you too are violating the PayPAl terms of service, is that correct? Are you also admitting to doing something illegal? If the answer to either one is yes, well then: That would be more than enough reason for many an honest, law abiding, rule following, moral person to avoid doing business with you. If you cannot understand that about your customers or about potential customers, then of course you would miss the point of many of the posts in this thread.

I prefer to buy from honest sellers. As I see it, honest selers would not, and could not by virtue of their honesty, violate the terms of service to which they agreed to use a service such as PayPal. To knowingly violate those terms, while at the same time, using that service would in itself be dishonest, wouldn't it? Are you saying that dishonesty is not enough reason for someone not to use a particular buyer? That seems like some truly 21st century reasoning if that is what you are saying!

In fact, here is something you did say:
The guy's got a great attitude.
You said that about Chris from CMG. If he knowingly is charging a surcharge for PayPal, and if he agreed not to do so when he signed up for payPal, is that honest or is it even just a tad dishonest? If it is even a tiny bit dishonest, are you saying that this helps make up his so called "great attitude" as you see it?

Here is something else you said:
PAYPAL SURCHARGES (which I also add to all my ebay items...OH MY GOD...huhbluh!)
Are you knowingly violating the terms of payPal by doing so? If so, do you think this makes you honest and of good repute?

Maybe this statement you made is true:
Sometimes, the customer is just a moron.
But maybe there is another appropriate statement that you left out, the other side of the coin so to speak: Sometimes the seller is dishonest (to whatever degree) and the potential buyer has enough sense to realize such. Yes I could see how a smart seller would make a dishonest seller become vexed and make one resort to calling his customers morons. There is a lesson to be learned from Aesop and his tale of the Sour Grapes.

Of course you can resort to calling the posts in this thread by names, or coded expletives, all you want. Despite that, you too, in my opinion, are possibly guilty of being a dishonest PayPal user/seller.

Speaking of heartfelt thanks, thanks for the heads up about your your own, in my opinion, less than ethical business practices.

Sincerely,
Glenn Bartley
 
I don't understand people like you (this is not an insult) but it was posted (the pay pal charges) people saw what they had to pay if they wanted to do it that way. Whats the big deal they dont have to pay that way. In my Deli I give a 6% discount for cash. It saves me time and money. If you use a CC you loose money.

On my ebay I just assume thy will pay with PP so the price is on those thoughts. People know this, I have not sold much but I have sold all but one thing and every time people email me and ask "whats the cash price" they know there is added charges. When I buy anything over $500 I always show up with cash and always ask what can I get it for if I pay cash, and EVERY TIME I get it for less. Its commen sense to me and I'm sorry if you dont see it and dont employ it in your every day life (I realy dont know if you do or don't). But when it is posted how much more you will pay with alternitive's to cash and you don't like it DONT BUY or pay cash, but for gods sake dont whine about it. When a person has many good customers they dont need bad ones and are very willing to blow them off. I have often said in my deli "I have lots of good customers I dont need your money so dont ever come back". Im not saying all customers with a complaint are a pain or even wrong but some are not worth the oxegen they used. I am all about good service I deal with 500 to 1000 people a day and 99.98 are great but when I read these posts it reminds me of the .2 that will NEVER be happy with what they have in life .


IN SHORT
If you SEE what someone is charging and dont want to pay DONT.

To CMG reptiles mabe you should just say "there will be a 5% proccesing charge for pay pal." People will not what to think about that Therfore will not complain so much. and more than likly just pay cash. AND IT IS LEGAL for those who think it is not.

If I offended someone I am sorry but in all honesty DONT care I am so tierd of people making such a big deal of wording that does make sense. Not all of us are lawyers.

Thanks

Gary P
 
In my Deli I give a 6% discount for cash

You are correct in that it is only verbage and a level of perception. The problem is that perception is reality for retail customers. Retail customers also believe that you were sitting around playing video games all day waiting for their order to come through so you could process it. They care little that you've a busy schedule. They want all their i's dotted and t's crossed (proper pictures and paperwork in order for things that need paperwork). If your going to be successful in the retail arena you need to take these things into account.

I recently purchased some ball pythons from Chris. Everthing was in order and they are of the quality he stated (very good). I talked with him on the phone and he is a nice guy. So he has all the makings of a very successful business. Part of the headache of owning your own business is handling success and growth. While there were some bumps in this thread I think overall Chris will do well and probably in part because of the points brought out in this thread. This is shown in your purchase from him.

BTW I was looking at a local delivery service (diners and such) and on the bottom of all their pages was the following disclaimer. "All prices reflect a cash discount of 3%". I don't know if it would fly in the online reptile industry but that is a legal way around the whole paypal issue.
 
Gary,

My point was not so much that a surchared is added onto the price, byt that an agreement was made with PayPal by a seller to follow PayPals terms of service. When a seller then knowingly breaks those TOS, the seller, in my opinion, is being dishonest in his/her business dealings. I just don't need to deal with someone who I think or suspect is being intentionally dishonest. If I was your customer, and you thoguht I was being dishonest in some aspect of our business dealings, would you want me for a customer?

As to the surcharge, there are many ethical, legal ways around addding a surcharge. (And by the way surcharges for Paypal are illegal in many states, as I understand, and that is why PayPal forbids them.) A flat percentage to equal the surcharge can be added to all prices. If you want a cash discount can then be deducted, as could a discount for checks or money orders. All of that is okay by the payPal terms of service that were agreed to when you signed up for PayPal, so if you use one of those alternatives you have not violated the TOS and have maintained the integrity of your PayPal agreement. If you do it by blatantly adding a surcharge, even thoguh you know it to be a violation of the TOS, well tha destroys the integrity of the agreement you made to abide by the TOS. Such actions, on the part of a seller, are less than desirable in my eyes than the actions of someone who abides by the TOS and this is regardless of whether or not 3% is added somewhere in the price. It really is a matter of busnesss principles rather than money. It is not a matter of paying that much at all, but of paying it to someone who is accepting it when to do such is possibly less than ethical. I mean if someone is willing to make an agreement such as accepting the terms of service for PayPay, and is then willing to break those same TOS, why should I be less than suspicious that they possibly would be willing to break any agreement they have made with me as far as guarantess and the like are concerned.

Hoping this explained it better.

Best regards,
Glenn B:)
 
LOOK FOR THE LAST TIME. NPUT THIS DAMN THING TO REST. OK I HAVE RESPONDED TO THE SURCHARGE CRAP YADDA YADDA YADDA. COME ON GLENN DO YOU WANT TO BRING UP THE SAME CRAP OVER AND OVER AGAIN. AND OK ITS OFFICIAL YOU WONT BE BUYING AN ANIMAL FROM ME BECAUSE IM NOT HONEST OK FINE POINT MADE AND TAKEN BUT I ALREADY STATED I APOLIGIZED AND ID CHANGE THE AD WHICH I DID. YOU KNOW I KNOW I HAVE BLOWN UP ON HERE AT TIMES AND I ACTUALLY FELT LIKE AN IDIOT AT TIMES BUT NOW IM STARTING TO THINK I SHOULD HAVE JUST BLOWN UP MORE. AT NO TIME ARE YOU GOING TO HEAR ME SAY THAT IM THE #1 PERSON TO DEAL WITH OR THAT IM PERFECT BUT THIS FORUM IS TO DISPOSE RIPOFFS OR POTENTIAL RIPOFFS AND STUFF LIKE THAT AND AFTER 6 MONTHS AND 23 PAGES DEVOTED TO ME AND NOTHING HAS BEEN SHOWN OF THIS DONT YA THINK ITS TIME TO QUIT ALL THE CRAP? WHY DONT YOU GO AFTER THE PEOPLE THAT DO RIP PEOPLE OFF. OH BUT MAYBE THATS BECAUSE THEY WONT RESPOND. HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU ABOUT ME? I HAVE BACKED UP EVERYTHING I HAVE BEEN ACCUSED OFF AND STILL I CATCH CRAP. GET OVER IT.




CHRIS
CMG REPTILES
 
Chris, this thread WAS dead until your champion Gary brought it to the top to tell everyone here what morons they were. If you want this to sink to the bottom of the BOI, then just leave it be. I don't believe that the recent arguments were about you in any way at all. It is just that if someone attacks the integrity of the BOI, that attack will be met with a counter attack, in whatever thread the attack happens to be raised. So calm down, rest, relax, and let this thread sink once more into the muck. I don't think anyone who reads through this is going to feel that you are an absolute scoundrel to be avoided at all costs, they might think a note of caution is advised, (or not) but other than that, it isn't really a bad guy or a good guy thread, it's just become a discussion on good and bad business practices and I've learned from it if/when I ever start to sell my hatchlings online.

Anyway, peace to all, and goodnight to the thread!
 
WHAT IS THE BOI A SECRET SOCIETY OR SOMETHING LMAO COME ON GROW UP. I DIDNT COME ON HERE UNTIL THIS CRAP ABOUT THE SURCHARGE ISSUE WAS BROUGHT BACK UP AND IF YOUR GOING TO USE WHAT YOUVE LEARNED ON FAUNA TO SELL ANIMALS THAN ILL SEE YA ON KINGSNAKE TRYING TO SELL OUT WHEN YOU DONT MAKE IT CAUSE FAUNA IS NOT A GOOD WAY TO MOLD YOUR BUSINESS ETHICS AROUND. AND JUST TO LET YOU KNOW AFTER ALL OF THE CRAP THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP ABOUT ME ON HERE AND THE FACT THAT AFTER 23 PAGES IM STILL A GOOD GUY IN THE EYES OF THE PEOPLE THAT COUNT WHICH IS PEOPLE THAT DONT BUY INTO THE CRAP BUT MY BUSINESS HAS DONE BETTER AFTER ALL THIS CRAP SO THANK YOU AND EVERYONE ELSE THAT HAS TRIED TO HANG ME ON THE GOOD OL BOI. NOW DONT GET ME WRONG I LIKE THIS SITE WHEN ITS USED TO EXPOSE CON ARTISTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT BUT WHEN IT IS USED TO ACT AS A WITCH HUNT FOR HONEST PEOPLE ITS DOWN RIGHT DISGUSTING. AND I CANT HELP IF PEOPLE BACK ME UP ON HERE JUST LIKE YOUR LITTLE GROUP TO HANG ME. BUT IM SORRY I DONT WANT TO ATTACK YOUR PRECIOUS SECRET SOCIETY OF THE BOI BUT I CAN PLAY THE FREEDOM OF SPEECH CARD JUST LIKE YOU CAN SO THANKS AGAIN FOR ALL THE GOOD FREE ADVERTISEMENT AND GOOD LUCK WHEN YOU START SELLIN YOUR BABIES ON LINE AND IF I EVER SEE YOU POSTED OR ANYONE ELSE THAT HAS TRASHED ME ON HERE ILL MAKE SURE TO VISIT THE THREAD AND HANG OUT AND SAY A FEW WORDS. LOL





CHRIS
 
Chris,

COME ON GLENN DO YOU WANT TO BRING UP THE SAME CRAP OVER AND OVER AGAIN.
Hmm, did I resurrect this issue. I think not. I thought someone else brought up this subject, I simply responded to that person's posts. I think it was that other person who brought up surcharges agian too. Now if you don't believe me, Sasheena has already been so kind to point out to you, I was not the one who resurrected this thread; however I certainly did discuss the issues further with the person who did bring it back up.

You seemingly prefer to say I brought it up again, and of course you apparently had no problem with the other person raising the issue did you? If you did, then where was your post ranting at him for bringing it up? Speaking of ranting, you seem to have a habit of doing that, in my opinion. You also seem to have the habit of referring to other people's ideas as 'crap' but, of course, not the ideas of the person who resurrected the issue, nor your own opinions. I wonder why not refer to his posts as crap? Is that because he is a customer of yours?

You may think my ideas and thoughts and opinions are crap, but then that is your opinion. You are entitled to your opinion just as I am to mine, and you are entitled to post yours here on the BOI just as I am entitled to post my own. I was discussing an issue with someone who chose to continue to do so at his own free will. If you don't like that fine by me, then don't like it, that is your choice! Then again maybe you should realize this forum is open to discussion whether or not you like it. Now you have the nerve to find fault with me for doing so by way of posting here yourself and, you are in effect keeping this thread going when you say I should let it rest.

Then after that you post yet again and, in my estimation, rant and rave with what seem to me to be implied threats about how you will make sure to post on anyone who has posted their less than favorable opinions about you in this thread.
BUT IM SORRY I DONT WANT TO ATTACK YOUR PRECIOUS SECRET SOCIETY OF THE BOI BUT I CAN PLAY THE FREEDOM OF SPEECH CARD JUST LIKE YOU CAN SO THANKS AGAIN FOR ALL THE GOOD FREE ADVERTISEMENT AND GOOD LUCK WHEN YOU START SELLIN YOUR BABIES ON LINE AND IF I EVER SEE YOU POSTED OR ANYONE ELSE THAT HAS TRASHED ME ON HERE ILL MAKE SURE TO VISIT THE THREAD AND HANG OUT AND SAY A FEW WORDS. LOL
You may feel free to say whatever you like about me, but if stated as fact, it had best be the truth, otherwise it best plainly be your opinion and nothing more. You should also bear in mind that anyone can be directed back to this thread to read our respective posts, and then they can make up their own minds about the veracity of anything you post on me in the future.

By the way, a statement like the above quote makes you look real good! (Yes this was a bit of sarcasm on my part.) I think the only one who has recently, in this thread, made you look bad is yourself. This is for a couple of reasons: One is for the implied content, as I see it, of a possible threat. The other is for the, in my opinion, lack of sense behind what you say.

Go ahead and read it again, then tell me how it makes sense! Like many before you, you claim your business is much better because of a thread on the BOI (or as you seemingly refer to it ‘crap’)
MY BUSINESS HAS DONE BETTER AFTER ALL THIS CRAP SO THANK YOU AND EVERYONE ELSE THAT HAS TRIED TO HANG ME ON THE GOOD OL BOI.
Well then I must ask in utter astonishment: Heavens to murgatroid - why on earth do you want this particular thread to fade away, and why are you seemingly upset that it was brought up again, if it has improved your business so much? Should I add 'LOL' here, would it be appropriate? Probably, it would not be in good taste, but it would certainly fit – don’t you agree?

You also said this:
...YOUR PRECIOUS SECRET SOCIETY OF THE BOI...
apparently, to me, implying that the BOI is only open to secret society members. Well if it really is such a secret society, and if the BOI is such a well kept secret, then how on earth could it have benefited your business so much to have you say:
THANKS AGAIN FOR ALL THE GOOD FREE ADVERTISEMENT
Who is kidding whom here? I would think if your business really improved because of this thread then it would have been because the BOI is a well visited forum, which is viewed by many, not just by the members of the so called secret society. By the way, last time I looked, this thread had received 5,391 views; not likely the number of views of a Secret Society forum! That is probably more hits than your own web site received in the past 2 or 3 months; or if not, then I would guess likely more than any of your individual ads on that other site you mentioned. I guess the so called secret is out! Again, I wonder, who is trying to kid whom here?

I would also add, if your business has truly improved, good for you. That would mean that you got lots of exposure on this thread (as seen in the number above), that the BOI is not part of a secret society or that the secret is out, and maybe even that you are doing something right. Just as you can do something right though, maybe you ought to realize and accept the fact that you do not necessarily do everything right. There is always room for improvement. Too bad you apparently can not see the light that was turned on in this thread about the surcharge issue being, at least in my opinion, an honesty issue. No matter how trivial an honesty issue it may seem to you, to others that could be the thing that makes them want to choose or avoid you as a seller or even as a buyer. Heck on Ebay, there are sellers who refuse to sell to people with as little as one negative feedback, and people who will not buy from sellers with a single negative feedback. Think about that, and maybe you will think about a way to improve your chances for even better business.

I realize that strict honesty in business may be a hard concept for younger people to swallow in today's world; but I still watch ‘Leave It To Beaver’ and live, best as I can with all my failings, by how I was raised back then. As I said earlier, I am not a saint, but I do try to live by some principles as well as I can, and honesty in my business dealings is certainly one of them.

I have pretty much said my piece here. I came here to discuss the issues at hand in this thread and to express my opinions on those issues. I was willing to let sleeping dogs lie until someone else kicked them and got them barking again. As for trashing you, that was never my intent. It was probably not your intent to trash yourself either; although I think you are quite capable of doing that all by yourself. I also think you have been doing a good job of it with your style of posts. Sure I understand you may not like what you are reading in some of the posts in this thread, and it may upset you greatly, but that does not mean that what others say is ‘crap’ or that their ideas about the values to cherish in business are any less worthwhile than are yours.

As for letting the issue sleep, fine by me, until someone else posts here and I find something of interest to which I feel a reply is in order, but even then I may not reply again. Of course, you can have the last word, and I’ll read it and I probably will not reply again. After your last word, why not let this thread die yourself, and attend to all that additional business you have received because of this so called ‘crap’.

Best regards,
Glenn Bartley
 
FIRST OF ALL HOW I REPLY TO THE NONSENCE SHOULD HAVE NOTHING TOI DO WITH THE QUALITY OF ANIMALS I SELL. YOU MAY NOT LIKE THE WAY I RESPOND TO THESE THREADS AND THAT IS YOUR CHOICE OR OPPINION BUT IM DAMNED IF I DO AND DAMNED IF I DONT. ON ONE HAND I CAN IGNORE IT AND THAT MAKES ME LOOK BAD AND ON THE OTHER HAND I CAN RESPOND AND IT MAKES ME LOOK BAD BUT AT THIS POINT I DONT CARE BUT I WILL NOT SIT BACK AND LET MYSELF GET TRASHED BY PEOPLE OVER NONSENCE. GIVE ME THE ONE EXAMPLE ON THIS ENTIRE THREAD THAT MAKES ME LOOK LIKE SOMEONE WHO DESERVES THIS KIND OF TRASH. SHOW ME ONE PLACE WHERE I HAVE RIPPED SOMEONE OFF. SHOW ME ONE PLACE WHERE I DIDNT STAND BEHIND AN ANIMAL OR SOLD SOMETHING THAT WASNT WHAT I REPRESENTED IT AS. YOU CANT BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHING. ALL THIS IS ABOUT IS THAT SOME PEOPLE DONE LIKE THE WAY I RESPOND WHEN ATTACKED AND PERSONALLY I DONT CARE. IM NOT GOING TO SIT BACK AND LET PEOPLE TRASH ME WITHOUT A FIGHT. THATS JUST THE WAY I AM AND MY ANIMALS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES SO IM NOT WORRIED. AND IM NOT ASKING ANYONE TO BUY FROM ME. THEY NEED TO MAKE THAT DECISION ON THIER OWN AND YOU CAN DEAL WITH SOMEONE THAT WILL LIE TO YOU TO GET THE SALE OR YOU CAN DEAL WITH SOMEONE THAT WILL SPEND THE TIME WITH YOU AND EXPLAIN EVERYTHING ABOUT THE ANIMAL WHICH IS WHAT I DO. DO YOU REALIZE WHEN I SPEAK TO PEOPLE ON THE PHONE MY CALLS LAST ALONG TIME AND ILL SPEND AN HOUR TALKING TO SOMEONE ABOUT A BABY BALL PYTHON JUST SO THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE GETTING SO MY APPROACH TO MY CUSTOMERS IS TOP NOTCH. AND I TAKE THIS VERY SERIOUSLLY AND WILL NOT SIT BACK AND LET ANYBODY TRY AND RUIN THAT NOT YOU OR ANYONE ELSE. BUT LIKE YOU SAID ITS OPPINIONS AND WE ALL HAVE THEM AND I AGREE AND IF PEOPLE DONT DEAL WITH ME BECAUSE OF THIS THREAD THEN I DONT CARE. IM NOT GOING TO LOOSE SLEEP OVER IT. AND THE COMMENT I MADE ABOUT THE BOI BEING A SECRET SOCIETY WAS A JOKE ABOUT WHAT SASHEENA SAID ABOUT ATTACKING THE BOI SO DONT BEAT THAT COMMENT INTO THE GROUND LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE THAT HAS BEEN OVERDONE IN THIS THREAD.




CHRIS
 
Please folks, can you stop hammering on CMG? Is it so hard? I just surfed in here looking for information, and felt that CMG was getting WAY too hard a time.

Chris, I'm truly sorry if I got this thing going on you again. I really am looking forward to the GTPs. I'm very happy to know that your reptiles are top notch and respect that you care very passionately about your business. Honestly, I did not want to start the "let's trash CMG" trend again. In fact, my intent was just the opposite. I guess I should have known better. (My fault, folks, not CMG's!) So really man, I am sorry. You don't deserve this.

By the way folks, I have NEVER bought a reptile online or thorugh the classifieds before. (in fact, I have never posted on a message board before this one!) We just don't have much here in my neck of the woods anymore after our killer reptile store closed, so I ventured online and found CMG offering some beautiful GTPs for a great price. I talked to Chris on the phone about them. He was very cool and very honest. He was also very accomodating, letting me put a deposit down until I got my cage for the snakes finished. I don't know Chris personally. I live in Wisconsin, after all! This guy just deserves a break now, don't you all think? Please don't keep this up because I started it again. Had I known this would happen, I never would have posted anything. Help me end it now. Whaddya say?
 
Chris, I have a problem with your posts listing adult wild caught animals as axanthic and arctic. Why wouldn't you say that you have no idea if they are but they look like they may be as you damn well know that it is common for non genetic adult imports to come in looking axanthic while the vast majority of true genetic axanthics do not look very axanthic as adults. And the same for the arctic, there have been all kinds of adults that change color, losing pigment as they get older. I have some here. I have seen other peoples animals that are just 100% normal go through a shed and come out looking arctic or ghost. The IMG is the same principle and that is still not proven. So the reality is that you are most likely going to sell somebody an adult wild caught male worth about $15-25 as an axanthic for what $1000? $500? How much? It is dishonest. You have no way to back up your claims and if you will not state that they just wild caught animals that may or may not be genetic or change to "axanthic? and arctic?" then you are being dishonest and ripping people off.
 
YOUR A FOOL . YOU SHOW ME ANYWHERE IN THAT POST WHERE IT STATES THEY ARE GENETIC. I HAVE HAD 4 PEOPLE MUCH BIGGER THAN YOURSELF VERIFY THAT THOSE ANIMALS ARE WHAT I STATED THEM AS. IF I WAS TRYING TO BE DISHONEST THEY WOULD SAY C.B OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I SPECIFICALLY STATED THAT THEY ARE WILD CAUGHT AND THEY ARE ADULTS SO THERE IS GOING TO BE NO CHANGING OF COLORS. ALSO THATS LIKE SAYING IF I IMPORT AN ALBINO IS IT NOT AN ALBINO TILL IT PROVES OUT? THOSE ANIMALS ARE WHAT THEY ARE AND IT IS UP TO WHOEVER BUYS THEM TO PROVE THEM OUT. IM NOT STANDING BEHIND THE GENETICS OF A WILD CAUGHT AND N OBODY ELSE WOULD THAT IS WHY THEY ARE ALOT CHEAPER BECAUSE YOU PAY FOR THE RISK SO GET A CLUE AND GET OVER IT. AGAIN I HAVE NOT MISREPRESENTED ANYTHING AND THIS IS JUST BULL<font color=red>[**censored**]</font> AND AT THIS POINT I DONT GIVE A <font color=red>[**censored**]</font> IF I GET BANNED FROM HERE OR WHATEVER YOU PEOPLE NEED TO FIND SOMETHING BETTER TO DO WITH YOUR TIME THAN WORRY ABOUT ME. ARE YOU SAYING THAT UNLESS IT IS A PROVEN MORPH IT DOESNT DESERVE A NAME? SO IF I WERE TO IMPORT AN ALBINO,PIED,SPIDER PASTEL? OR ARE THOSE JUST WILD CAUGHTS TO YOU? LISTEN TO WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. THESE ANIMALS ARE WHAT THEY ARE AND ARE TOTALLY REPRESENTED AS SUCH AND ANYONE THAT DOESNT REALIZE THE RISK WITH PROVING WILDCAUGHTS SHOULDNT EVEN BE TRYING TO BUY THEM AND I ALWAYS EXPLAIN WHAT THE ANIMAL IS AND WHAT THE DEAL IS WITH THE ANIMAL BEFORE I SELL ANYTHING. SO DIG UP SOMETHING ELSE



CHRIS
 
THIS MALE WAS IMPORTED AT THE END OF LAST SUMMER AND STARTED EATING RIGHT AWAY UNTIL NOVEMBER. I FIGURED IT WAS BREEDING TIME SO I PUT HIM WITH A COUPLE GIRLS AND HE BRED THEM. I HAVE EGGS FROM HIM NOW AND I JUST SEPERATED HIM FROM THE LAST GIRL HE WAS IN WITH. HE DOES HAVE AN OLD SCAR ON HIS BACK BUT IT LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING THAT WAS FROM ALONG TIME AGO. HES TOTALLY HEALTHY. PICTURED WITH HIM IS A 4500 GRAM FEMALE SO YOU CAN SEE BOTH HIS SIZE AND HIS AWESOME COLORS. OR SHOULD I SAY LACK OF COLOR. AND NO THE FEMALE IS NOT FOR SALE AT ALL SO PLEASE DONT ASK. THE ARCTIC FEMALE WAS ALSO AN IMPORT BUT AS YOU CAN SEE BY HER COLOR WHICH IS ALMOST WHITE SHE WOULD BE AN EXCELLENT ANIMAL FOR A PASTEL PROJECT OR REALLY ANY PROJECT YOU WANT TO THROW HER INTO. BUT SHE IS SIMPLY GEORGEOUS. SHE HAS EATEN BUT IS PICKY. BUT SHE IS WELL WORTH THE INVESTMENT. THE PIC OF THE ARCTIC FEMALE IS PICTURED WITH A 2800 GRAM FEMALE FOR SIZE COMPARISON. THE REASON IM DOING THIS IS BECAUSE MY SCALE HAD A MISFORTUNATE ACCIDENT LAST WEEKEND. BUT I AM ONLY TAKING SERIOUS CASH TRADE OFFERS ON HER. SHE IS PICTURED IN THE 3RD PIC


THANKS ALOT
CHRIS
CMG REPTILES









OK SO YOU CAN SEE IT CLEARLY STATES THE HISTORY OF THE ANIMALS AS BEING IMPORTED SO WHERE IN THE HELL AM I BEING DISHONEST? AND I HAVE HAD THESE ANIMALS FOR A WHILE SO THEY ARE NOT GOING TO CHANGE COLORS SO WHAT THE HELL IS YOUR PROBLEM WITH THIS AD?


CHRIS
 
Since Chris has been here posting under a false name, I took the time to go back and read some of these earlier threads.

Your a liar.
This is nothing less than rediculous. I have bought hets directly form C.M.G. and they have proved out everytime. I have also been to there facility and seen first hand the animals they have. I would not think twice about any animals they have posted. So whoever this Rene is Why dont you go after the real scam artists out there instead of trying to ruin the names of honest businesses.
Sincerely
John Mcallister



"THERE WILL ALWAYS BE ONE TO RUIN IT FOR EVERYONE"

And you are too!


Ive seen the animal in person at a show and i have to say it is an awesome animal. The only thing i cant understand is why they want to sell it. But i talked to them for awhile and basically its for sale or trade for he righ price whatever that means. Ralph davis sold one that he produced for 20 grand last year. Even though the bodies look kinda different the heads are the same and who knows this may be the next big thing. Imagine a blackhead albino or a blackhead pastel, that would be hot. If i had the loot id take the chance. But i think they are trying to trade for other morphs more than the cash. At least thats the vibe i got from them. Im thinking about that axanthic, its a real nice male but they told me he might be traded already. Anyway thats my time.



Peace j-dog




. Actually, I should state Chris.

All this posts came from the same computer. All the accounts are shills. Seems typical of you Chris. Peace back at you.
 
Back
Top