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Dan Scolaro bad guy.

romad119 said:
That is why the report needs to be seen. To help answer the differing opinions on what is being said. Is it IBD or did it have IBD like indicators? What tests were actually performed? The info that the 100 lb brains need to see for an informed opinion.
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Do we need to see the report? Dan was very nonchalant about stating the fact that the snake had IBD. We have to move forward operating under the assumption that not only did at least one animal that moved through Dan's facility had IBD, but that his complete refusal to be concerned means that it is highly likely that much of the animals in his facility could have been exposed.
 
So who there has the guts to speak to the person who has the other pair from that litter which has no other issues and examined that snake prior to shipping? Who wishes to speak to the reputable breeder of that snake? No one.

I packed a fine healthy specimen and it was strangled and the buyer was compensated for it.

You guys can spew out all the guess work and garbage you want, and despite it being hilarious, it won't change the fact that the other snakes would have shown with a virus/disease by now or someone would have reported issues with another snake.

But it has been months now and there has not been any complaint/report from anyone about any issues with any snakes, and I've received only thanks for healthy fine specimens.

So as usual, your guns have no bullets.

And the buyer was compensated for the strangled snake, so what is your point anyway? Had the other shown with an issue, he also would of been compensated if indeed a virus or disease.

Dan
 
Dan Scolaro said:
So who there has the guts to speak to the person who has the other pair from that litter which has no other issues and examined that snake prior to shipping? Who wishes to speak to the reputable breeder of that snake? No one.

I packed a fine healthy specimen and it was strangled and the buyer was compensated for it.

You guys can spew out all the guess work and garbage you want, and despite it being hilarious, it won't change the fact that the other snakes would have shown with a virus/disease by now or someone would have reported issues with another snake.

But it has been months now and there has not been any complaint/report from anyone about any issues with any snakes, and I've received only thanks for healthy fine specimens.

So as usual, your guns have no bullets.

And the buyer was compensated for the strangled snake, so what is your point anyway? Had the other shown with an issue, he also would of been compensated if indeed a virus or disease.

Dan
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Who is it... i will gladly email them and speak with them. I havent any qualms about it. in fact, i would bet they might be quite concerned with this information.
 
Mooing Tricycle said:
Who is it... i will gladly email them and speak with them. I havent any qualms about it. in fact, i would bet they might be quite concerned with this information.
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and you know what else, these were boas, its possible they just arent showing signs yet. So how do you KNOW that there isnt more of a problem than you suspect!? Do you know for a FACT that those people got their animals tested for IBD and other such things? The Fecal Exams arent 100% Accurate. Meaning, that you can get false negatives, only for the fact that inclusion bodies just werent present in that sample. A live liver biopsy can be done, but its expensive.... so if you have PROOF that their animals are 100% healthy, and not just based on their WORD then yeah... you better start posting it.

i cant believe how uncaring and unconcerned you are with this. its absolutely incredible that you even have the audacity to KEEP saying the snake strangled the other when i have the Visual proof that that statement is NOT true.
 
Dan Scolaro said:
So who there has the guts to speak to the person who has the other pair from that litter which has no other issues and examined that snake prior to shipping? Who wishes to speak to the reputable breeder of that snake? No one.

I packed a fine healthy specimen and it was strangled and the buyer was compensated for it.

You guys can spew out all the guess work and garbage you want, and despite it being hilarious, it won't change the fact that the other snakes would have shown with a virus/disease by now or someone would have reported issues with another snake.

But it has been months now and there has not been any complaint/report from anyone about any issues with any snakes, and I've received only thanks for healthy fine specimens.

So as usual, your guns have no bullets.

And the buyer was compensated for the strangled snake, so what is your point anyway? Had the other shown with an issue, he also would of been compensated if indeed a virus or disease.

Dan
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If all that is true, why not post the report and clear yourself once and for all since you were the one who stated in writing right here on this site that the report claimed IBD?

I find it interesting that when the shoe was on the other foot and YOU were sent a sick snake which the vendor claimed was fine when shipped, you hit the roof and threatened to bring in the FBI:
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63658
 
But it has been months now and there has not been any complaint/report from anyone about any issues with any snakes, and I've received only thanks for healthy fine specimens.

So as usual, your guns have no bullets.

And the buyer was compensated for the strangled snake, so what is your point anyway? Had the other shown with an issue, he also would of been compensated if indeed a virus or disease.



The point is people are seriously concerned about IBD being in your collection, and the fall out from past transactions and problems arising in your other customers' collections. This transcends the particular order with the 'two boids in a bag' referenced a few pages ago.

What astounds me is the way you have handled this Dan. Just browsing through the last 9 pages to get caught up on what I didn't read in the past day, it really looks like you are going against the grain here with everyone. Like really bad. Keep regurgitating the same condescending garbage about your high quality animals and service and how you haven't had a "legitimate complaint" yet...there's always room for a first one. And it looks like this "[il]legitimate complaint" in this 37 page thread has got you by the balls now, because we've got a second topic now, and you're handling it even worse than the first.

By the way, next time someone makes a bad-guy thread for you Dan, try and make good on the transaction in the first couple of pages, instead of hinting at changing your mind 30 pages in (as you hinted you still might send Luc a skink still). People who pull this thread up in a search aren't going to read the whole thing to find out if you "saw the light". They're going to go: "NEXT".
 
E2MacPets said:
Do we need to see the report? Dan was very nonchalant about stating the fact that the snake had IBD. We have to move forward operating under the assumption that not only did at least one animal that moved through Dan's facility had IBD, but that his complete refusal to be concerned means that it is highly likely that much of the animals in his facility could have been exposed.
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Yes, why wouldn't we want to see the actual report itself? It seems to be the only objective thing we have.
 
romad119 said:
Yes, why wouldn't we want to see the actual report itself? It seems to be the only objective thing we have.
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Hopefully the member who got these animals, will willingly post the information later on.( or will give chuck the OK to post it) There are Current members and past members who have dealt with this virus before, and they could then compare notes ( so to speak) and See the similarities with the animals, and necropsy reports.

:shrug01:
 
Dan Scolaro said:
That is bogus. One snake strangled the other in the bag and sent the guy a refund for the snake in question and the customer was pleased. He had a report of IBD but the other snakes he received are fat and healthy, and showed no further symptoms of IBD, so it was more BS than IBD.

Dan
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(sourced from the other thread)
 
Dan, help me out ...

Stepping back from the issue of whether the snake did or did not have IBD, can you make sense of this for me ? I am confused between the facts given in two concurrent threads.

Post 92, "Luc Cauthorn ....." Chuck K. asks:
Hey, why don't you post the photo so people can conclude for themselves if they believe its a case of strangulation.
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Post 93, "Luc Cauthorn ...." Dan S. replies:
Like you already know, the email is gone months ago and the snake was bloated as if something cut off its vent and gas built up in it. I don't know exactly what happened but strangulation was the best guess at the time.
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Post 182 "Dan Scalaro Bad Guy" Dan S. writes:
I packed a fine healthy specimen and it was strangled and the buyer was compensated for it.
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You switched from a guess to a statement of fact. How did we do that ?

Post 151 "Dan Scalaro Bad Guy" Dan S. writes:
The snake showed bone cells because it was strangled by the other in the bag. What else would you expect to find? Oh, no parasites and no bacteria was discovered either.
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Can you post the link, name or reputable authority, vet, etc., that explains what one "would expect to find" in a situation such as this, and/or that bone cells is what was expected ? Hope you can understand, just trying to get a good source on such occurances. Cheers :D
 
backing out of your oh so tough words now Dan? Cmon... now.. you wouldnt want to do that!

I said i would willingly talk to the breeder/other person who has littermates. So hows about that contact information? or does it bother you that someone actually has the youknowwhatsits and from what i can see I apparantly got more than you as well. ( because it takes oh so much courage to talk to someone about IBD and voice their concern about anothers collection...*rollseyes*)
 
Dan Scolaro said:
So who there has the guts to speak to the person who has the other pair from that litter which has no other issues and examined that snake prior to shipping? Who wishes to speak to the reputable breeder of that snake? No one.

Dan
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Are you passing the blame for IBD to the breeder of the snake? :rolleyes:

If they aren't reading this, please alert them and request that they post whether or not their boids have IBD. Regardless, the snake that passed through your facility did have IBD and that means any animal that comes from you has the potential to spread IBD.
 
romad119 said:
Yes, why wouldn't we want to see the actual report itself? It seems to be the only objective thing we have.
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It would be informative, however we don't need it to prove anything. We have an admission from Dan that there is a report that states the snake had IBD. :shootfoot
 
lucille said:
As serious as this entire matter is, the reference to this info and its accuracy, still would seem to me to be anonymous 3rd party info until you post the name of the person who originally supplied the information to Chuck and hopefully, the veterinarian who was involved in the testing.
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Lucille, please do not attempt to coax Alicia into betraying the trust I placed in her. I do not appreciate it all.

Dan has already confirmed that this is the customer I have referred to.

Alicia and I did our small part to alert this community. It has been confirmed. It is not a hoax.

It is now on Dan or his customer to provide the actual report/documentation. Put the pressure on him please and not on us.

I am debating at the moment to allow two other people to view the report and documentation that Alicia and I have viewed. I think most would consider both very well versed in the subject of IBD and Boas...as well as being highly reputable members of the fauna community.
 
romad119 said:
"The microscopic lesions are compatible with inclusion body disease of snakes."

This statement to me doesn't read IBD. It says that a characteristic that can be found in IBD positive animals was found in this one. Kind of like saying a fever is a sign of the flu, though not mentionining that a fever is a symptom of 100 other things as well.

Was the liver tested? I think the report needs to be seen by the IBD 'educated' (not me) first before the conclusion is drawn.
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Alan

I feel that since this part was posted, i will at least post the paragraph it is within.

I hope you are Alright with this chuck.

"Multiple eosinophilic inclusion bodies are observed in cells within the stomach, small intestine, liver,
and kidney. The microscopic lesions are compatible with inclusion body disease of snakes. The
etiology of inclusion body disease is considered to be a retrovirus. No cryptosporidia were seen."
 
After much consideration I'm going to post the email Dans customer sent me regarding his transaction with Dan and the attachments accompanied to it. Please allow me a moment to get the email and the documentation together.

Thank you Moo for backing me up. I know it was no easy thing for you as it was not easy for me to have this burden placed in your lap.
 
Email, Report, Photo

I would like everyone to note that I am not this guys friend, I have never met him, I did not solicit this email from him, I do not know him from ADAM. From what I gather he simply likes the way I go after bad guys on the BOI and wanted to share his own bad experience with Dan Scolaro. Maybe he thought we had something in common. I just don't know.

Here it is.
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From: "John Crickmer" <[email protected]>
To: "'Chuck Kimmel'" <[email protected]>
Subject: ....
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 22:16:09 -0500

Chuck,

I’ve got some attachments for your eyes only concerning my recent dealings with Mr. Dan Scolaro.

The trouble with Dan is he’s just so full of himself. Too smart for his own good. I call him “Little Bitch”.

Been married to a few like him. Just gotta have the last word.

He won’t hesitate screwing someone once he figures out he can get away with it.

He placed this snake in the same bag as a healthy one, so he could use the excuse that the other one strangled this one in transit.

Claimed over and over again that it was perfectly healthy normal behavior, feeding, drinking, etc.

Only problem now is -- I’ve got this other Costa Rican and a Guyanan that have both been exposed to IBD.

I’ll send you some of his emails to me. Same shit as with the kid -- Bla,,,Bla...Bla... – I’m so smart, but you said...Yata...Yata...Yata.

Extreme ego. Out of control. Scum bag all the way!!!

jsc
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I did not respond to this email from John. I went right after Dan with the info and was post was deleted for third part quotations.

Here is the second email from John after John noticed I went after Dan with the info he provided and my response to him.
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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 03:29:05 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
From: "Chuck Kimmel" <[email protected]>
To: "John Crickmer" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Hey Buddy

John,

What I am hearing is that you only care about what you've got invested and what you stand to lose. Don't email me with this stuff anymore because I'm just not interested. It serves me absolutely no purpose if cant be used to nail the scumbags and help others from becoming their victims. What am I supposed to say to a friend I've made on fauna when they report to me that a boa they received through Dan died and was diagnosed as having IBD? That their entire collection might now have to be put down? That I knew all along but I promised you that I wouldn't say anything because you have much more invested? I like you John, but fuck that. I'd rather not know anything and be shocked just like the rest as the cases come up.

When other reports of IBD start flowing in to the BOI, when entire collections have to be put down, when the finger can be pointed at Dan as the source of it, you have to live with knowing you could have done something and did nothing. I did my best to get it to the point where Dan would acknowledge this and thankfully he did. Hopefully that is enough so that people will steer clear of him.


Take Care.......it was nice knowing you.


-------Original Message-------

From: John Crickmer
Date: 4/16/2008 1:47:23 AM
To: 'Chuck Kimmel'
Subject: Hey Buddy

Chuck,

I wish you wouldn’t have done what you did. If I wanted to participate in the BOI Inquisition, to be shot as the messenger, I would have stepped up with my name. My point was to prove to you and you only that I’ve heard the exact same lies from Dan myself. The attachments were just to prove I wasn’t making any of it up. It was only about the kid.

I have purchased at least 60 Boas in the past year. Spent somewhere around $40K. I have way too much on the line with my investment to get my reputation, motives and methods brought into question over this piss ant and his piss ant lies.

You didn’t even extend me the courtesy of a reply, as I asked. I was waiting on your reply before sending you those emails I promised.

Now, I am questioning your motives. Should I believe you are the trouble making nut job coward you’re accused of being? Jury is still out.

jsc
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That its for the emails.

I am having great difficulty converting the PDF report and the photos to a file size acceptable for uploading on Fauna.

Alicia, when you have the chance please post the photos and pdf doc I sent you if you can. I would appreciate it greatly.

If Alicia is unavailable to do this I can optionally send it to anyone that knows how to shrink this sort of stuff to fit on fauna. I dont want anyone waiting around with your tongues hanging out. I'm not a tease.
 
Seems mister deep throat is more interested in protecting his 40 grand than doing the right thing. Shoot the messenger ? seems that the messenger here was Chuck and you had no problem letting him take the heat. If you had come here and posted the information I can't see why you'd get beat up by anyone here other than Dan. Now that we see that you just wanted to take a jab at Dan, you don't seem to care that if this is all true you are putting other peoples money and animals at risk.

And we wonder why things like this keep happening. Because those who could do something are to worried what a few people will say to them on a forum? Not in this case, it is I don't want to have to worry about people not buying my animals if they knew I received a snake with IBD.

Chuck post the info with the pathology report this yahoo doesn't deserve protection.. Randy
 
ravensgait said:
Chuck post the info with the pathology report this yahoo doesn't deserve protection.. Randy
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I'd love to but I cant shrink/convert the doc or the photos down to the size acceptable for a fauna upload.

Can you PM me your email and I'll forward them to you to fix and post?

I'd only ask that you delete/block the guys phone number and address so its not available to the public.

Thanks
 
ravensgait said:
Chuck post the info with the pathology report this yahoo doesn't deserve protection.. Randy
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Also....I was never offering him any protection. I was respecting his request that the info was for "my eyes only" and I was extremely conflicted about it. Part of me expected that he would come forward on his own. I decided to post everything after I read that he really didn't care about anyone elses collection other than his own. To that point I think I did enough to alert the community about a legitimate and serious situation.
 
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