Ed Clark,don't buy frogs from him!

[shrap]

If he can make comments like that I'm sure he's a big boy and can handle when Ed bites back.
Just curious why no one said anything when he made the comments about Ed Clark.

That might be because Richard never made any references to a long time pet of Ed's that was stolen and had its head chopped off. Like Ed just did to Richard.

Ed, you ARE a punk. There are lines that people with any kind of class and compassion dont cross. Yet you cross it on a regular basis. For no other reason that to simply try and hurt people. I tried to offer you an olive branch a while back but your continued low life white trash actions refuse to allow me to continue to do so.

And if you have a problem with what I am saying, I would LOVE to take it up with you in person. And no, that is not a threat. I dont make threats.

 

[crazyfroglady]

That's exactly what I do. I'm usually on the phone while I am opening the box. Besides, every seller I've used is just as nervous about shipping as I am and it's nice to tell them all is well as soon as possible.



If I wanted to join FatFrogs forums I would. I am not going to sign up for yet another forum to come to a conclusion (or not) on a thread posted HERE. I should not have to. It looks like a cool website and I am not knocking it, BUT, this issue was brought HERE and should be looked at HERE. If there is a relevent post on FatFrogs then take a screen shot and post it- HERE.

Hopefully when Kelly gets the CF results they will be posted HERE.

Now why would I take screen shots if YOU are capable of viewing the website as a GUEST. I'm just saying people who DONT OWN FROGS should not be making comments about whether they look sick. And maybe people should know the whole story before ASSumptions mare made.

 

[jusmebabee]

My only point is if your going to throw stones then be prepared to have them thrown back regardless. He was man enough to call names so I'm sure he's big enough to handle it when it comes back.
Sad what happened to the snake but who leaves a snake in 100 degree weather to get coffee?

 

[Cat_72]

Just curious why no one said anything when he made the comments about Ed Clark.

Because what Richard said was TRUE.


And Ed....to say something like that to a caring, kind hearted human like Rick....you are lower than the gooseshit I scraped off the bottom of my shoe tonight.

 

[shrap]

My only point is if your going to throw stones then be prepared to have them thrown back regardless. He was man enough to call names so I'm sure he's big enough to handle it when it comes back.
Sad what happened to the snake but who leaves a snake in 100 degree weather to get coffee?

Maybe Ed should throw in my recently dead grandma too. How about my daughter's recently killed good friend?. That would be perfectly acceptable in your book too huh? Like I said, there is a line you should not cross regardless of the disagreement.

As far as the snake in 100 degree heat.... are you serious? You really think 5 minutes in a Stop n Go is going to cause the temps inside a car that had the air conditioner on to reach a dangerous level?

 

[LakesideBoas]

Now why would I take screen shots if YOU are capable of viewing the website as a GUEST.

If something pertinent to this thread is posted there I would have said link it, but all too often posts are removed or lost (server problems, what-have-you). It's been seen here before.

This is the BOI. If the complaint is brought here no one should have to bounce around the internet to read the complaint. That's what this place is for.

I reiterate; if I wanted to view FatFrogs I would do so as a member or guest. I do not and should not feel obligated to so because you want it that way.

You don't want to take screenshots, fine, don't. I don't want to read your forum. I won't. How's that shoe fit, Pot?

I'm just saying people who DONT OWN FROGS should not be making comments about whether they look sick.

You would think the more folks that agreed the frog looked sick in the photos, the better the case against Ed would be...

FWIW, I do own "frogs". They don't look sick...

And maybe people should know the whole story before ASSumptions mare made.

Theoretically speaking the "whole story" should have been posted by the original poster. If we have to guess what it is, ask you, or trot around to different forums to find it, details are bound to be missed. Therefore the contention that the pertinent information be placed in this central location.

 

[LakesideBoas]

As far as the snake in 100 degree heat.... are you serious? You really think 5 minutes in a Stop n Go is going to cause the temps inside a car that had the air conditioner on to reach a dangerous level?

I guess I shouldn't stop and get coffee on the way to the vet's office or a show any more. Bugger.

 

[hhmoore]

I'm just saying people who DONT OWN FROGS should not be making comments about whether they look sick.

I will agree to an extent....but what is your argument against the comments by a number of people that do have relevant experience? Was there more than the one person saying that the frog looked bad (did he even come here to post it himself?)?

 

[crazyfroglady]

I'm really curious about that, too. I don't claim to be an expert, but I have never read or hear about a herp having any strain of Hepatitis virus. Mammals and birds, yes. Herps, no. I do know Hep strains can be transmitted through fecal-contaminated water, bodily fluids, blood, saliva, etc.
I do hope someone can educate me on a "herp Hep".

And Ed ... that was so low. So very very low. I cried over it ... and don't know the man. Heartless

I'm no expert either but here's an article I found. I don't think they are speaking of Hepatitis the virus, just hepatitis (inflamation of the liver). This was the only thing I found about it. It is speaking of Chlamydia and Chytrid causing hepatitis in clawed frogs.

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol6no2/ascii/reed.txt

 

[crazyfroglady]

If something pertinent to this thread is posted there I would have said link it, but all too often posts are removed or lost (server problems, what-have-you). It's been seen here before.

This is the BOI. If the complaint is brought here no one should have to bounce around the internet to read the complaint. That's what this place is for.

I reiterate; if I wanted to view FatFrogs I would do so as a member or guest. I do not and should not feel obligated to so because you want it that way.

You don't want to take screenshots, fine, don't. I don't want to read your forum. I won't. How's that shoe fit, Pot?


You would think the more folks that agreed the frog looked sick in the photos, the better the case against Ed would be...

FWIW, I do own "frogs". They don't look sick...


Theoretically speaking the "whole story" should have been posted by the original poster. If we have to guess what it is, ask you, or trot around to different forums to find it, details are bound to be missed. Therefore the contention that the pertinent information be placed in this central location.

Ummmm.....Lets see!!!I didn't say you don't own frogs maggie nor did I make that comment to you. I made it to the person who said the only the frogs they've ever had were the ones they use for bait when fishing. The whole story I'm speaking of is that she did do her research on the husbandry. And she said that over and over again. She shouldn't have to prove it, she said it that's enough. Just like E.D.s word is enough for people.

 

[crazyfroglady]

Buckle up folks!

Kelly, were you pushed into the test and this thread and all this drama by Tommy Watson,aka Big Hydro as he is know on the frog forums?

What about that stupid crazy frog lady,she was talked into joining you with this bash fest right?

Is anything ever your fault E.D.? Actually your post about Kelly being a frog killer caught my attention so I decided to check it out. When I opened it up it had a link to this thread. So nobody talked me into joining in except you. And don't call me stupid E.D. The problem is I'm smart enough to know you're a scum bag.

 

[Ed Clark]

No responsible person would leave an adult boa unatteneded in a car with an open window in 100* heat, in a high crime area.

There is no mention in that post of the ac being on...just an open window because the temps there have been around 100*F.

It was a tragedy what happened to that boa, but was very irresponsible leaving it unattended!

As far as the snake in 100 degree heat.... are you serious? You really think 5 minutes in a Stop n Go is going to cause the temps inside a car that had the air conditioner on to reach a dangerous level?

 

[Ed Clark]

Buckle up folks!
Kelly, were you pushed into the test and this thread and all this drama by Tommy Watson,aka Big Hydro as he is know on the frog forums?

Kelly, you have repeatedly said I did not answer your questions.

please answer mine, where are all these test results you promised us?

I posted what I said I would about my frogs that went to the zoo that are doing awesome!

 

[crazyfroglady]

No responsible person would leave an adult boa unatteneded in a car with an open window in 100* heat, in a high crime area.

There is no mention in that post of the ac being on...just an open window because the temps there have been around 100*F.

It was a tragedy what happened to that boa, but was very irresponsible leaving it unattended!

Choose your words wisely ED. You're the last person on earth that should be using the word irresponsible to describe anybody.

 

[crazyfroglady]

Adjective

irresponsible

Lacking a sense of responsibility; incapable of or not chargeable with responsibility; unable to respond to obligation.
Not responsible; not subject to responsibility; not to be held accountable, or called into question.

 

[MiIguanaLvr]

Ed, you ARE a punk. There are lines that people with any kind of class and compassion dont cross. Yet you cross it on a regular basis. For no other reason that to simply try and hurt people.

This happens when someone is trying to change the subject, you know, get the focus off of themselves.
The good news is that not many people here fall for it.

 

[Ed Clark]

Ed, you ARE a punk. There are lines that people with any kind of class and compassion dont cross. Yet you cross it on a regular basis. For no other reason that to simply try and hurt people. I tried to offer you an olive branch a while back but your continued low life white trash actions refuse to allow me to continue to do so.

And if you have a problem with what I am saying, I would LOVE to take it up with you in person. And no, that is not a threat. I dont make threats.

Are you that emotionally unstable that you threaten people over words spoken on a forum?

 

[jayefbe]

This whole thing is becoming ridiculous, and crazyfroglady, you are taking this way too personally. Yeah, Ed's a jerk. He just maligned somebody that had their snake stolen and decapitated. But resorting to immature name-calling, and sad attacks on Ed's already poorly seen character is just exposing you as an out of control vigilante without the ability to view things objectively. Ed fulfilled his terms of service. There is no concrete evidence showing that the frog was sick before it was sent, plus it appears that the chytrid test came back negative. Plus, Ed did provide evidence (with hhmoore's seal of approval) supporting the fact that he provides at least one zoo with frogs and they appear to be healthy, free of diseases and are thriving. Everyone is struggling to see the facts of the situation, and it's becoming more and more clear that there's nothing (save Ed's already disreputable people skills) supporting your stance. If that is not true, please provide the evidence backing it up. Either way, please stop with the needless and ineffective insults.

 

[Ed Clark]

This happens when someone is trying to change the subject, you know, get the focus off of themselves.
The good news is that not many people here fall for it.

Very observant Beth, thats exactly what I did.

See how easy it was to chuck a piece of bait out there, and all the fishes went after it!

 

[crazyfroglady]

This whole thing is becoming ridiculous, and crazyfroglady, you are taking this way too personally. Yeah, Ed's a jerk. He just maligned somebody that had their snake stolen and decapitated. But resorting to immature name-calling, and sad attacks on Ed's already poorly seen character is just exposing you as an out of control vigilante without the ability to view things objectively. Ed fulfilled his terms of service. There is no concrete evidence showing that the frog was sick before it was sent, plus it appears that the chytrid test came back negative. Plus, Ed did provide evidence (with hhmoore's seal of approval) supporting the fact that he provides at least one zoo with frogs and they appear to be healthy, free of diseases and are thriving. Everyone is struggling to see the facts of the situation, and it's becoming more and more clear that there's nothing (save Ed's already disreputable people skills) supporting your stance. If that is not true, please provide the evidence backing it up. Either way, please stop with the needless and ineffective insults.

Well I went back to fatfrogs to try and get a screen shot showing you why I call ED a scum bad but it was deleted because of all of the foul language that was used. Since it was deleted I will give you the short story he called me a bitc*, a slut and some other things for only being objective. In no way did I provoke the name calling. There is plenty of evidence showing that the frog was sick before it was sent to Kelly. There were two experts that said the frog died of hepatitis. If you missed that, go back and read some more. It is not possible for the frog to develope and die from it in a 24 hour period. Kelly never said nor did I that ED KNOWINGLY sent sick frogs. This goes back to your not thoroughly reading the thread again. Now as for the frogs that were sent to the museum that just means that they probably weren't housed with kelly's frog and therefor were not exposed to the same things as the other frogs. You forgot to mention that ED should also stop the needless name calling in the post that I was quoting.