Bad Guy Edgar Machuca aka GeckoGen

[LauraB]

That's it? Much ado about nothing; certainly not worthy of a BOI Bad Guy thread.

Edgar has done nothing that requires his explanation here.

"Superdrama Exotics", for sure.

 

[Kasi]

Libel and harassment are illegal, no matter the degree. Had I not seen his messages to the other individuals, none of this would have been posted. None of us did anything to warrant the responses or private messages. Those who disagree with this are more than welcome to disagree, those who appreciate it will appreciate it. What I have posted is information, no more and no less; everything has been posted, and it is up to each person to draw their own conclusion.

 

[j_dunlavy]

I completely agree with LauraB, not worthy of a bad guy thread on BOI.

The point of the BOI thread is to out people who sell sick animals, are fraudulent or have some other sort of serious customer service problem, not to post petty disputes that seem to be rooted in personal attacks on facebook. There has been no evidence he has done anything wrong, mistreated a customer, made a fraudulent deal, sold a sick or unhealthy animal, harmed his animals in any way, or anything else.

Just for the record, I do know Edgar and have known him for about a decade and Have nothing to gain from defending his animals, it's not like we are best friends or anything. The truth is that he does in fact care immensely for his animals and they are extremely healthy animals. They are very well cared for. In the late 90's the petshop I worked for was buying beardies from him for that exact reason. He also started selling us beautiful cresties sometime prior to 2005, I don't remember the exact year but it was before I moved up to my current job. He has always been softspoken, helpful and polite to his customers. He does have a somewhat sarcastic sense of humor and I cannot in any way defend some of the things he has said to those ganging up him but I do think it was rooted in misunderstanding; you cannot read sarcasm (or any demeanor and tone) over the internet.

I don't see how he has harassed anyone, just called them names out of frustration and anger. Calling people names is not illegal or harassment, just stupid. Everybody has done or said something they regret at some point in their lives, the point is you need to grow from it not repeat it.

Objectively speaking, any libel case that may have any ground to stand on would be against Kasi for posting a PERMANENT bad guy thread on the BOI; That is the sort of thing that can cause real damage to someone and their business.
The BOI can be way more damaging than any facebook post which can easily be deleted and is often only viewable by a smaller group of friends, not the entire world.
I do not see any post from him about Kasi that would result in her business being damaged.

He may not be posting on the BOI at the advice of a lawyer; it is common for lawyers to advise people not to interact with the person or people whom the dispute is with.

My advice: if you are getting pissed, walk away, don't call names or post an unnecessary BOI thread, that is just lame.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

Libel and harassment are illegal, no matter the degree. Had I not seen his messages to the other individuals, none of this would have been posted. None of us did anything to warrant the responses or private messages. Those who disagree with this are more than welcome to disagree, those who appreciate it will appreciate it. What I have posted is information, no more and no less; everything has been posted, and it is up to each person to draw their own conclusion.

Yes, it is up to each person. I am wondering if anyone sent him private messages as well?

I don't think anyone here has stated his messages were appropriate. I'm pretty sure everyone has stated the language was inappropriate and rude. Even those that gave witness to his credibility, to his husbandry, being a breeder,his overall character, or being a friend has stated the messages were inappropriate.

Since this thread started he mentioned libel in a private message to you and you have mentioned libel several times on this thread.

In that aspect I think it is appropriate to understand the message and timeline and context.

So I'm not taking up the question if he is doing something wrong, if your right about questioning him. I think it is fair game. Just the repeated remarks that he is harassing or committing libel.

The first one.

Laura DePaola The questions posed have been very relevant. No one is going to profit off your ideas, and if someone can benefit from it what's the harm? Your defensiveness and personal attacks screams that you are hiding something...
5 hours ago via mobile · Like · 2

Edgar Machuca I am hiding everything Laura
4 hours ago via mobile · Like · 1

If I recall correctly Laura is the one he called the "B" word.

This is my understanding so correct me if I'm wrong.

On a public forum where many participants, peers and hobbyists can view Laura suggested he was hiding something. That he was being "shady". Later he sent her a private message that she was a B-word.

Which one would be closer to libel or harassment? My understanding of harassment is persistent, or repeated offense. I'm no lawyer of course.

Which would be closer to libel? A private message sent one time calling someone a inappropriate word that no-body could see but the person it was directed at? Or a forum post that every peer, customer can view?

He also sent a private message to Lydia with the b-word.
Again, wrong and rude. She posted in public that you were a trusted breeder and well he was nothing.

Which comes closure to libel, which one is less harassing?

The message to you after the thread was deleted was inappropriate and not professional but it was a private message to you.

If you want my opinion which is libel and harassing, it would be neither.

The only reason I mention this Kasi is because you are tho one who has mentioned libel and harassment several times.

So lets look at what a prosecutor, judge or jury might see.

On public forum you asked him about the care of his animals.

Kasi PartyGecko Faulkins Edgar Machuca - I think I saw you at the SJ Expo last year. Were you the one with Cresteds 'conditioned' to live at higher temps?
Yesterday at 3:26pm · Like · 1

Edgar Machuca yes Kasi, I am, Geckogen.
Yesterday at 4:30pm · Like

Edgar Machuca and yes is just a matter of light reds that keep getting lighter and lighter =) but it doesnt happen to all reds.
Yesterday at 4:33pm · Edited · Like · 1

Kasi PartyGecko Faulkins Just out of curiosity, how did you manage to override the entire thermoregulation system of a species within a generation or so? How has this affected their structure? And what exactly do 'higher temps' refer to?
Yesterday at 4:38pm · Like · 1

Edgar Machuca Nothing changes over a generation, this takes many generations to be stablished Kasi. A species can have a natural shift and tolerate different environmental factors that in time helps them cope better with their environment or current habitat. I have once done this with Altum Scalare and have applied the same techniques to the Crested Gecko. There are too many factors that affect structure and color not necessarily temperature. However, the first step is to push on the limits already stablished.
Yesterday at 4:49pm · Edited · Like

Everything is nice and polite, correct? No libel or harassment by either.

Continue-

Kasi PartyGecko Faulkins My understanding is that thermoregulation is a matter of either endothermic or ectothermic processes; one being fueled by metabolism, the other fueled by external sources. Crested Geckos are ectothermic animals, thus relying on their environment to be able to take proper care of themselves. While all environments have natural shifts, and species are adaptable, Cresteds were considered extinct until they were rediscovered in 1994, which is less than 20 years ago; I'm not sure how long you've been working with them, but judging from your website and images, you've been doing this since 2009, which leads me to believe that you're claiming to have converted the animals from one temperature range to another within four years, or presumably, within two generations. I'd love to know how that's done, and what the temperature gradient you're referring to as 'higher temperatures' is - perhaps it is significantly less than I am assuming it is, because to me that statement sounds as though it's intended to mislead, which I'm sure is not your intent.
Yesterday at 4:59pm · Like · 8

His response to being called inexperience and misleading-

Edgar Machuca I think you answered your own question Kasi, you are on the right path keep, try some experimentation in allowing your geckos some time below and above the temperatures they are sensitive to. I never claimed to have changed anything about an entire species, that would be silly. I have stated that I don't worry so much about the higher temperatures, all my geckos are well conditioned to tolerate them with out showing signs of stress. The temperature gradient is from 55-90 deg F I don't regulate the room temperature if is hot is hot if is cold is cold. The only problem I've found is that my females lay way too Many eggs and the color scheme is getting better.

He didn't respond with name calling

Let's cont

Kasi PartyGecko Faulkins It's actually been shown that temperature does affect structure, with lower incubation temps resulting in longer incubation time, resulting in more pronounced structure with heads and crests. I think I'll keep mine right where they're at - being able to condition something to not display signs of stress seems distinctly different to me than being able to condition something to thrive under a condition. Thanks!
Yesterday at 5:18pm · Edited · Like · 5

Teresa Gibson Wouldn't laying too many eggs take a toll on the females?? I would think having an animal like a crested in the environment of a bearded would be harmful to them, just because they can't speak for themselves? Just because they tolerate something, doesn't mean they're comfortable. Just my thoughts.
Yesterday at 5:26pm · Like · 5

Edgar Machuca It has been posted not sure if it has been shown. I have never seen a scientific paper on it but direct me to it I may be wrong. I conduct my own studies and can comment on my own experience only. On the other hand, subjecting the geckos to be in tiny deli cups, is subjecting and conditioning, even if is not the intent.
Yesterday at 5:27pm via mobile · Like

Kasi PartyGecko Faulkins Geckos in deli cups show signs of distress. Shows are stressful on the animals, whether we want them to be or not - the difference being that the stresses are mitigated as well as possible, and are not endured/'conditioned' over any period of time - they are simply tolerated for the duration of the show.
Yesterday at 5:31pm · Edited · Like

Edgar Machuca Yes I separate the males and females after 6 months of breeding so they don't over breed. I also never sell any animal that has been used in the breeding project only virgins lol. Oh and no Bearded dragon conditions just not controlling temperatures. I assure you I love the animals and last thing I will want to do is harm them. The geckos enjoy super health and their well being is of the most importance to me.
Yesterday at 5:31pm via mobile · Like

Kevin Jack Smith This doesn't make any sense to me. Can you explain exactly what you're saying, Edgar Machuca? What's this about changing cresteds so they tolerate higher temps?
Yesterday at 5:32pm · Like

Edgar Machuca Well is too much to talk about so let's just focus on the nice geckos lol
Yesterday at 6:10pm via mobile · Like

Kevin Jack Smith You can't explain what Kasi meant about your temp resistant ciliatus?
Yesterday at 6:12pm via mobile · Like · 2

Edgar Machuca I choose not to
Yesterday at 6:15pm via mobile · Like

Kevin Jack Smith Ha, nice.
Yesterday at 6:18pm via mobile · Like · 3

Heather Chapman Geckos die at those temps, I don't blame Kasi for not 'experimenting' with her gecko's lives.
Yesterday at 6:21pm · Edited · Like · 1

Cindy Olsen McDannell How long on average do your cresties stay at that upper temp range?
Yesterday at 7:49pm via mobile · Like · 2

Ariel Cudia Being a scientist Edgar Machuca, can you show a record of prolong temperature exposure to the animals in question? I know for a fact that @ 90 deg, cresteds start to become uneasy.. Some start to drop their tails, dehydration becomes critical, and (depending on size) they die..
22 hours ago via mobile · Like

Edgar Machuca Oh Ariel next thing you know you will be posting texts and inflamed accusations. I would if I cared enough to convince anyone. However, is futile and I don't need to convince anyone, thank you for asking this is a dead subject. Is time for me to over heat and over feed. Lol
22 hours ago via mobile · Like · 1

Teresa Gibson Everyone is just curious... people have really been opening up to other's experiences as we have seen with the recent influx of gecko diet experiences being shared. People fear the unknown or the different, but to inform them is much better than to keep them in the dark.
22 hours ago · Like · 5

Kasi PartyGecko Faulkins Agreed with that for sure, Teresa. It makes it look shady when it isn't the 'norm' and isn't explained, whereas explanation can help to bring light toward answering questions others have.
22 hours ago via mobile · Like · 2

Cindy Olsen McDannell My opinion, is that if you present a thought, experiment, whatever, you should follow through with explanation. As stated, no one ever would have admitted a year ago that they were going against the grain with the diet. We all can learn new things. Not one of us knows everything about these guys and we can all learn from each other.
22 hours ago via mobile · Like · 3

Edgar Machuca Thanks for your opinion everyone! I will take everything you said to heart.
22 hours ago via mobile · Like

So people don't like his answers, granted. He states thank you for the questions, let's just talk about the geckos in this forum. You stated he looks shady, Regardless if it is or isn't which one would a court think is more harassing or libel?

No thank you posted publicly by Edgar and private message from Edgar stating "Yeah, I'm shady B-word" or the public statements calling him shady, deceptive and continue requests to posts information he stated he didn't want to do there.

Now, I think neither of them are but if were going to keep throwing libel around which ones are closer?

Cont,-

Edgar Machuca Kasi you are just so mad I'm not telling you what I'm doing. Especially because I have out done you in our area. The geckos can tolerate higher and lower temperatures than what has been stablished. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out. You have a very real concern because the more you inbreed the more concern you should be about your temperatures. Me I base everything in a few metrics growth, feeding, weight, reproduction success, hatchling success and over all their fitness. Quite trying to act like the gecko police and concentrate on your own projects. If I have something to report I will when I feel like it. I like your level of envy tho
5 hours ago via mobile · Like

Edgar Machuca For the rest of you out there, I will share information at my discretion and only mine.
5 hours ago via mobile · Like

Laura DePaola The questions posed have been very relevant. No one is going to profit off your ideas, and if someone can benefit from it what's the harm? Your defensiveness and personal attacks screams that you are hiding something...
5 hours ago via mobile · Like · 2

Edgar Machuca I am hiding everything Laura
4 hours ago via mobile · Like · 1

Heather Chapman Any credibility you could have had is definitely gone, or at least in my eyes. The only thing you seem to have to offer would be personal attacks. Everyone has been very open to your claims, but every time someone asks for proof or data you can't deliver. I fear for the health of the animals you're experimenting on.
3 hours ago via mobile · Like

Edgar Machuca I'm so concerned! Oh god can't sleep oh what am I gonna do????!!!!!!
3 hours ago via mobile · Like

Edgar Machuca I don't need to prove anything to any of you thanks but like how crazy you all get
3 hours ago via mobile · Like

Kevin Jack Smith They should rename this group to Superdrama Exotics.
2 hours ago · Like · 5

Heather Chapman Lol, I agree.
2 hours ago via mobile · Like

Edgar Machuca Hahahah I agree Kevin, oh here comes the gecko police!
2 hours ago via mobile · Like

Lydia Craig Sandia Cresteds Outdone Kasi 'in her area'? I hear some more hot air being expelled. And I fail to see anything you've done that would evoke anything close to jealousy in anyone, let alone Kasi. She is a known and trusted breeder and keeper, whereas others...well, not so much. Quit being a bully hiding behind your keyboard.
about an hour ago · Like

Dagan Legg Hmm, I have been following this conversation and Kasi does not appear to be expressing any anger in her comments. I have never known Kasi to act upon anything other than concern for the general welfare of animals. She is very knowledgeable about creste...See More
about an hour ago · Like · 2

Edgar Machuca Oh god go suck a geckos tail
51 minutes ago via mobile · Like

In this part he referenced your geckos as inbred. Nice thing to say, NO. Stated your jealous, well no also not nice.

But you do see that before he stated that he was accused of being a liar, shady, misleading, deceptive, inexperienced, etc. etc..

He followed with calling two people a very unflattering word.

Any harassment charges are a joke. While the word he choose to use in his private message to two different people calling him deceptive on a forum was improper, You can't call him a bunch of names when he responses privately and scream harassment.

As for sending you the private message about inbreed geckos, I would suggest the same applies to you.

You are the one that made the private messages public, then to claim libel after publicly calling him out is ridiculous.

Again not saying the conversation wasn't warranted or that his defensiveness and words were not inappropriate but simply your claim of libel and harassment is weak. If anything regardless if I feel you have a right to question his husbandry and claims, I think he you both would be in the same position in a court.

Of course that is my uneducated opinion. You both should stop the claims of libel and harassment. Neither should be so thinned skinned to claim either. I think everyone has a right to ask questions.

 

[j_dunlavy]

Dennis, you hit the nail right on the head.
Edgar does not have do disclose anything about what he is doing and Kasi DOES have the right to ask. He was probably sick of being repeatedly asked the same thing after he declined to disclose how he is doing it, followed by being accused of being shady, etc. They both need to get over it.

Personally, I would like to hear from his customers in the BOI, not those he pissed off with private messages after being pushed past his limit.

Also, Just an observation that was mentioned way earlier in this thread: Edgar is a geneticist; if he is doing a scientific study he may in fact want to keep it secret until it is published so he can get credit for it.
Knowing his background and what he is capable of, I would not be surprised if he knows every detail of the crested gecko's genome. I'm no geneticist but if you have that sort of knowledge, wouldn't it be possible to test the gecko's blood for a specific gene that controls their temperature tolerances and breed for that? In humans they have the ability to test for a gene that makes certain people (like Sharon Osbourne for example) more susceptible to breast cancer. These sort of studies can be done without harm.

 

[Pasodama]

Certainly Edgar has made some rude comments (i.e. the "B" word). This was unnecessary and not something I would condone.
However...
1) I haven't seen anything done, by Edgar, that would constitute libel.
2) Unless Edgar is continuously/repeatedly sending "nasty grams" to a single person (different from sending one, or two, to multiple people), and especially if/after being told to desist &/or without engaging in a "back & forth", it does not constitute harassment.
3) A person's silence (or withholding of info) does Not = guilt (of wrong doing, etc.). If there is silence (or withholding of info), by a person, one must have compelling evidence of wrong doing by that person (if wrong doing exists).

Just my 2 cents, a person who does not personally know either party (Edgar & Kasi) and is not for, or against, either.

 

[Belfry]

I do not have authority to say if this thread belongs in the "bad guy" BOI, or if either of their actions constitute libel, slander, or harassment.

But truths we can see here, without speculation, is that this breeder has acknowledged claims of having temperature conditioned cresteds and applying techniques where "the first step is to push on the limits already stablished [sic]." In his own words: "I have stated that I don't worry so much about the higher temperatures, all my geckos are well conditioned to tolerate them with out showing signs of stress. The temperature gradient is from 55-90 deg F I don't regulate the room temperature if is hot is hot if is cold is cold. The only problem I've found is that my females lay way too Many eggs and the color scheme is getting better." We have also seen messages he has sent to people involved in the discussion.

I know some are unable to draw a full conclusion without seeing certain proofs/results. That is perfectly reasonable. However, using only statements from what he, himself, has typed, I am personally able to form my own opinion of his practices, ethics, and how he interacts with people. The information posted really helps me if I were to ever consider doing business with him.

Thank you

 

[Pasodama]

I do not have authority to say if this thread belongs in the "bad guy" BOI, or if either of their actions constitute libel, slander, or harassment.

But truths we can see here, without speculation, is that this breeder has acknowledged claims of having temperature conditioned cresteds and applying techniques where "the first step is to push on the limits already stablished [sic]." In his own words: "I have stated that I don't worry so much about the higher temperatures, all my geckos are well conditioned to tolerate them with out showing signs of stress. The temperature gradient is from 55-90 deg F I don't regulate the room temperature if is hot is hot if is cold is cold. The only problem I've found is that my females lay way too Many eggs and the color scheme is getting better." We have also seen messages he has sent to people involved in the discussion.

Comments to follow below

I know some are unable to draw a full conclusion without seeing certain proofs/results. That is perfectly reasonable.

Perhaps. However, some people can make their own conclusions (as to whether, or not, to do business with someone for other/whatever reasons) and, yet, would still need to see facts/proof, of alleged wrong doings, because they do not "convict" someone solely based on claims that are just speculations, feelings, theories, unsubstantiated accusations, etc.

However, using only statements from what he, himself, has typed, I am personally able to form my own opinion of his practices, ethics, and how he interacts with people. The information posted really helps me if I were to ever consider doing business with him.

Thank you

This is whole different matter altogether. and, true, people can base their own decisions upon other factors (such as Edgar's behavior, etc.).
It is true that he has sent some uncouth messages. For some, this alone can make them not wish to do business with Edgar. Which I can understand.

Let's talk about conditioning. Some people seem to see conditioning as = to genetically altering. Conditioning is far different from genetically altering.
I have not seen where Edgar has claimed to have genetically altered Cresties and that what he has/sells are genetically altered (If he has, then please correct me). If he were to make the claim, that what he has/sells are genetically altered Cresties, I would have a big problem with that.
If he is simply saying that he has conditioned his own collection, to tolerate higher temps, it may not be an untruth. As such, I would not have a big problem with that statement. Although I may be curious, about it, &/or question the validity of that claim (i.e. If there truly is no stress being placed on the animals).

What he does, with his own animals, may also be enough to make some not wish to do business with him.
If someone, with education/experience/knowledge, is attempting to do scientific research/experimentation, such as seeing what temps can be tolerated, I would not be wholly against that person as long as extreme care is taken.
With that said, I do understand that this does not seem to be what what Edgar is doing. He has admitted, in his own words, that he does not regulate temps and just keeps his animals at whatever temp it is (be it high or low) on any given day. This goes contrary to what some have claimed (that he does regulate the temps).
So, I can understand if this may affect someone's decision, as to whether or not they would do business with Edgar, since, if for no other reason, people do not know what affect the higher temps may, or may not, be having on any one of Edgar's individual animals. This, of course, is a choice that each person has to make for themselves.

As an aside: To be sure, keeping Cresties, at high temps, is not something I would do and would never suggest, to anyone, that they can/should.

 

[Sumanitutaka]

I have also had harassment issues with this individual.

 

[Nivea987]

Thanks kasi for the heads up. This man obviously has personal issues. Lol Best wishes with your gecko endeavors.

 

[geckoguy87]

As one of the active “helpers” of Geckogen and an eyewitness to such confrontations with Kasi, I will give the first factual summary regarding this matter. As most of you already know, Kasi previously posted a BOI with the title “Bad Guy Edgar Machuca from Geckogen” because of a silly disagreement they had. In short terms, Kasi aggressively questioned Edgar’s care for his animals and made false assumptions in a public forum regarding such matters. This lead to Kasi’s “friends” to jump down Edgars throat and also begin accusing him of mistreating his animals. This obviously upset Edgar, just as it would any other person who truly cares about their animals. In anger and frustration, Edgar responded by telling her to suck on a gecko’s tail and calling two of her nagging friends a bitch. Lol I’m sorry but it is difficult to not laugh at the fact that a grown adult would throw such a tantrum over juvenile name-calling. This apparently made Kasi feel justified in posting a thread on the BOI that will in fact affect Edgar’s livelihood. Not only has the thread been viewed over five thousand times, but now when you google Edgars full name or Geckogen or a mix a both, the first thing that pops up is “Bad Guy Edgar Machuca from Geckogen.” Not to mention Edgar is a molecular biologist (which makes questionig his knowledge even more ridiculous) and if he interviews for a different job, and they choose to search just his name on google, we all know what they will find. As a gecko enthusiast and somebody who makes a living off of reptiles, I think it is disgusting that Kasi would take such hurtful measures to obviously seek revenge. And lets not forget her personal reasons; juvenile name-calling… After viewing the BOI and all the hurtful comments that were made by misinformed individuals, Edgar was truly upset. But rather than participating in such behavior and trying to “one-up” Kasi, Edgar took the high road and chose not to respond. This of course became quite trying because Kasi’s mob was constantly provoking Edgar through the thread to comment because apparently not responding means your guilty of mistreating animals and being a bad guy… once again, much of Kasi’s and her mob’s assumptions make little sense. I helped convinced Edgar not to respond because such malice would show everyone Kasi’s true character and my god, if this didn’t I don’t know what will. So anyways, Edgar never responded or spoke to Kasi so we were hopeful that Kasi was done trying to hurt Edgar’s reputation and livelihood; of course we were wrong. Edgar then received a phone call from Herp World explaining that some girl named Kasi wrote an email bashing Edgar and requesting that he not be allowed to attend the San Jose Reptile Expo as a vendor! It was shocking to Edgar and I to discover the lengths that she would go to fulfill her spiteful vendetta. Even after being informed of this email, Edgar still took the high road and didn’t contact Kasi or respond with any hateful threads. For the second time, Edgar and I made the mistake of thinking that our lack of response was going to lead to an end. We then found out a week before the show, once again from herp world, that Kasi’s husband called them saying he was as officer of the law and this all needs to stop! What?!?! We still are completely unaware what he was referring to because Edgar was staying quiet and hadn’t responded to anything! Once again, the actions made no sense! BUT STILL, Edgar kept quiet and took the high road AGAIN! So, yesterday was the first day of the San Jose Reptile Expo and Geckogen was excited and ready to go! We were informed by Herp World that Kasi would be at the show but that her booth would be on the opposite end. This didn’t faze us because we ONCE AGAIN made the mistake of believing our silence would lead to an end. As the show was about to start, I noticed a man with a badge pacing up and down in front of our booth. It was clear that he was making a point about flashing the badge around on his hip and attempting to intimidate us with not only a stern, but hateful look on his face. Due to hearing about the phone call by Kasi’s husband, I asked Edgar if that was him because he was wearing a badge and making a point of it. Edgar said he didn’t think so and dismissed it because he didn’t think Kasi could stoop any lower. As the man continued to pace only in front of our booth, we both became more and more suspicious. He then entered our booth, while still flaunting his badge and glaring at us. He went over to the geckos and Edgar said, “hi, how are you doing?!” in a nice and enthusiastic voice just like he would with his customers and any vendors. The man smugly answered ok and continued looking. Edgar then asked him if he were a vendor. The man replied, “yes.” Edgar said that was great and asked what booth he was representing. The man tried to avoid the question so Edgar asked him again what booth he was representing. The man aggressively answered “Party Gecko” and promptly left the booth. At this point, with the confirmation that Kasi was now using an officer of the law to attempt to intimidate us at our booth, enough was enough. We had let so many things slide but this just wasn’t right! We will not stand for any further harassment and intimidation and I hope if any other individuals have had to deal with such matters that they will do the same. At that point, something had to be done. Edgar approached Herp World and explained to them the unbelievable circumstances. Edgar was then advised by Herp World to ask for the man’s badge number and jurisdiction. Edgar approached Kasi’s booth and did just that. The man refused to give Edgar any information besides that he was from the BIA so Edgar walked away. Other participating vendors witnessed the man’s behavior towards us and urged that we protect ourselves and call the police.; so Edgar did just that. An officer abusing his power to intimidate people is nothing to take lightly and will not be tolerated. The Officers told Edgar that he did the right thing and that he should further his investigation on this injustice. They admitted that there was little that they could do but they gave him advice on all that he could. We were informed later that the officers had spoken to the man but we don’t know what the conversation entailed. Although the experience was horrible for Edgar and his team, it made things a little bit easier with all of the support from the officers and neighboring vendors. There was no further communication between Geckogen and Party Geckos. And despite the rocky start to the show, Geckogen persevered and had an amazing show! Which is strange because why would so many happy customers be taking home geckos from Geckogen if Edgar is bad guy and treats his animals poorly?! lol I’m sure much of you think the story ends there but it appears there is no end when it comes to Kasi seeking revenge. Just as a reminder, her revenge stems from juvenile name-calling, wow! We of course found another comment on the original “Bad Guy Edgar Machuca from Geckogen” thread from an individual who conveniently made their profile yesterday and claimed that they has also had harassment issues with Edgar. Sounds a little fishy to me Kasi; constantly bringing others in to do your dirty work. It’s really just so embarrassing! To follow, another BOI thread was created by someone who clearly appeared to be associated with Kasi and stated that Edgar shouldn’t be allowed to be an exhibitor anywhere. Of course Kasi chimed in and once again made Edgar out to be some maniac and her the victim. It’s quite shocking how the one constantly attacking can also be the victim in these situations. Maybe some people on this thread will believe Kasi’s accusations, but Edgar and I have found that the true powerhouses in the reptile world are just seeing Kasi’s true colors, and they aren’t pretty. So, I spoke my peace, I truly wish I didn’t have to waste my time doing such a thing, but any amount of time is worth standing up for what is right. Some of you may wonder why I am posting this as a BOI and may even think it’s slightly hypocritical, but this truly is an issue that everyone needs to be aware of. Reptile enthusiasts beware, if you are rude to Edgar he may tell you to suck on a geckos tail, but if you ever come across Kasi she may do everything in her power to destroy not only your reputation but your livelihood. I feel the severity of these warnings clearly differ, but I’ll let everyone make their own judgment calls. That being said, I don’t plan on spending my time combating Kasi or her friends regarding this issue so don’t be surprised if you don’t hear much more from me. I told the truth and nothing but the truth so I don’t need validity from anyone. And in case any of you are wondering, Edgar will also have a response in the next couple days.
P.S.- Kasi, take your own advice and be kind to others. This could have been over a long time ago but you have taken things too far. Edgar and his team still wish for the end of this but it needs to be a two way street. If you end your antics, we are more than willing to move on with no further action.

 

[Dennis Hultman]

I have also had harassment issues with this individual.

Do tell since you and Kasi are posting from the same place.

 

[312Herps]

Just curious , is Kasi Krauss the same person as Kasi Faulkins

Do tell since you and Kasi are posting from the same place.

Wow, I'm surprised people still try stuff like this after seeing how doing this went for Ariel Cudia . But this tactic doesn't surprise me being that this whole mess started on Facebook in a group which was started by Ariel: Supermodel Exotics .

"SuperDrama Exotics" indeed

Dennis , This post was the best summary of this situation and I completely agree.

She does have the right to ask , he does have the right to deny answering and that's where it should've ended. The insults and speculation of him and his geckos was unwarranted and over the line . Although he didn't respond in the best manner , I can see why he did retort in that manner . My 2¢

 

[Cresteds by slinky]

I have dealt with Kasi on several occasions and she is always easy going. eager to help and pass on info if needed willing to talk about anything gecko or herp related. I have never gotten any ill or negative remarks from her. I think Kasi is a great addition to this herp society. Anyone who has had any contact with kasi will vouch for this. Continue your strive for excellence, and thanks for taking us along for the ride. Eslin Jimeranez www.crazyredgeckos.com

 

[LauraB]

I have also had harassment issues with this individual.

Mark "Sumanitu Taka"?

Seriously? Personally, I might have used Sungmanitu Tanka, but, tomato tomato. They both can translate to "wolf".

One could easily mistake you, Mark Sumanitu Taka, for Mark Wolf Faulkins, Kasi's husband.

 

[Skinker]

Mark "Sumanitu Taka"?
One could easily mistake you, Mark Sumanitu Taka, for Mark Wolf Faulkins, Kasi's husband.

It's a shame too, I'd really like to hear Faulkins' side of the Jeffrey Brown story in post #71... Seems to me people are harassing the crap out of this man for no legitimate reason. So he dropped a few uncivilized remarks, either respond in kind or be the bigger person and let it go. This whole vendetta thing is definitely not warranted and extremely immature.

 

[Kasi]

In case Edgar views this thread again, I am linking here. I was not a part of this most recent interaction in any way other than witnessing half of it- Edgar and I had only a brief interaction, and, in case there is any validity to it, I have posted an apology for anything that may have occurred between one of my people and one of his. It can be viewed here:

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=413904

 

[LauraB]

Hmmm ... did you just change your location from San Francisco to now San Bruno, Kasi?

Remember, Dennis already pointed out that you and Mark "Sumanitu Taka" (lol) were posting from the same place.

 

[Kasi]

No, my location has always been San Bruno.

 

[Kasi]

You are welcome to check with a Moderator about that- I can assure you that my location has not ever changed.