Bad Guy Eyelash Exotics

[dustinntech]

Just because you trademarked a name does not mean you have full rights to the domain... If you wanted the domain you should have done research on the domain first.

For example. Go to nissan.com and see what comes up. It is a guy who has owned the domain for a long time and Nissan is trying to take the domain from him. However, this has been going on for years and they will more than likely never get the domain unless he sells it to them or just stops paying for it.

The fact that you are trying to attack the guy in order for him to give up the domain is just ridiculous. He can sell it to you, or now due to the actions you took he can keep the domain and never allow you to use it.

 

[Snake-Queen]

I can understand why the OP went a little over the top with his communication with Lynn.
What I don't understand is why she did not contact the OP herself if she thought there might be a confusion with her business name & his web page. That would have been the sensible and correct thing to do.

Instead she posts on her page for her fans to email this guy. Then when called out on it, she acts like a teenager, trying to place blame on others. You can apologize till the cows come home, for if it isn't sincere, it doesn't mean much.

Lynn, you stated that the OP isn't much older than yourself ... your actions indicate otherwise. If people think you are a "child" the fault for that lays squarely on your shoulders.

When you are running a business, it is best to think before you act. Impulsiveness reaps disaster.

 

[Lucille]

Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 23:24:55 -0800
To: Bobby Shabaga <[email protected]>
From: "Facebook"
Subject: New message from Andrew Schnell

Andrew sent you a message.


Lynn and I have some very big connections, including =
the biggest and best known names in the industry, and the biggest name in =
New Caledonian geckos in Canada. We can make sure you won't be able to =
buy any nice geckos from any well known breeders if you aren't careful.

This continues to bother me. I know that the gecko community is pretty tight, but is there really a gecko mafia that would shut out someone because a particular person was displeased with him? Are 'well known breeders' at the beck and call of these people?

I've looked into some gecko threads from time to time because I think these little guys are adorable. Mostly I've seen people proud of their critters and discussing how to take care of them. I've never seen anything like this.
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[312Herps]

but is there really a gecko mafia (more of a forum) that would shut out someone because a particular person was displeased with him or her ?

YES.

Unfortunately Crested geckos breeding has become very saturated with zombies who follow cretain recognized personalities or head of the cool crowds most times mods .Many mindless drones follow their lead in order to get in their good gecko graces. Highschool equivalent emotional disorders are a very common thing in crested gecko breeding.IMO

 

[Fangthane]

This continues to bother me. I know that the gecko community is pretty tight, but is there really a gecko mafia that would shut out someone because a particular person was displeased with him? Are 'well known breeders' at the beck and call of these people?

While there may be a small handful of "fans" who might be inclined to join their vindictive little boycott, I have to assume that the threat is based mostly in bluster and bravado. Their little FB gang doesn't appear to be any different from any other high school clique whose members feed into each other's delusions of grandeur and efficacy. The high school analogy seems very fitting, since it appears that their ringleader is little more than a petulant child whose simply too accustomed to getting her own way. What they tell each other doesn't necessarily have any basis in how things work out here in the real world. Some noteworthy Bad Guys are still in business simply because there are many people who will sell to anyone whose money is good. With that in mind, I doubt their embargo will amount to a whole lot.

 

[Sublime Reptiles]

What is funny about this is many many MANY have never heard of Lynn up until a few months ago and my first initial reaction to her and which to this day is still intact, immature. Just because you have friends doesn't make you a good person or a good breeder. It doesn't give you te right to bash people and their geckos. It doesn't give you the right to say you will do art work for people then ignore them when they ask BOI how is ther stuff going. Running away making new facebooked, blocking people, stating fights that you can't even properly defend besides trying to cyber gecko bully. Grow up people just grow up. Just giving me a longer list of people to never buy or sell to.

 

[EA7770]

If you were talking about some rare species of gecko, and someone did something really awful within the gecko community, I might be inclined to say "Yes" to the fact that you could be blacklisted by certain people. In the case of crested geckos, there's NO WAY. Crested gecko breeders are a dime a dozen. There's far to many of them for anyone to get black listed from the crested gecko scene. It seems that some people have let their "fans" go to their heads and have rock star syndrome. I just hope that perhaps she'll take all of this situation into account and take a more humble approach to her business in the future.

 

[Jaybee]

If you were talking about some rare species of gecko, and someone did something really awful within the gecko community, I might be inclined to say "Yes" to the fact that you could be blacklisted by certain people. In the case of crested geckos, there's NO WAY. Crested gecko breeders are a dime a dozen. There's far to many of them for anyone to get black listed from the crested gecko scene. It seems that some people have let their "fans" go to their heads and have rock star syndrome. I just hope that perhaps she'll take all of this situation into account and take a more humble approach to her business in the future.

^What he said. It just sounded like puffery of a friend trying to protect someone they cared about. Might be a few people they can pull strings with to get them to not sell to one person but there are so many others. I doubt the "bigger names" in the crested gecko community would care to be involved with much of this anyway, but I'm not part of the sticky-toed mafia, so what would I know.

 

[Neon]

Regardless of what happened, who is at fault, etc. etc. the claims of "I know everyone and you aren't anyone" are really getting old. This is absolutely not the first incident in the hobby in which this statement has been made and I'm certain it won't be the last; however it just makes that particular individual look arrogant, insecure, and immature.

Aside from that, how many of this group of "everyone" can remember the name/business/or relationship they have with the person who is doing the name-dropping? Highly unlikely that the individual is that meaningful to them to even be remembered.

If you are "anyone" you're well-known enough (or important enough to the hobby) that you don't need to scream it at anybody who disagrees with you.

 

[Misskiwi67]

This is all over someone sending him hatemail, probably after seeing him call me a tw*t on my own page, and I can't control that. I agreed that I shouldn't have posted the request (where I specifically asked NO HATE MAIL be sent), without discussing it with him first so I deleted it after it being up for maybe ten minutes.

Lynn, this all started when you posted a message asking all your gecko-breeder friends to e-mail. I saw that message when it was first posted, and I posted a message asking if you or the other breeder had copyrighted their name. That message was apparently deleted, but I know I asked and I have a feeling you might not have liked my answer.

YOU panicked, YOU asked people to go after the other breeder, and YOU started this. YOU owe him an apology because you acted impulsively.

I'm sorry Lynn, but in my eyes, having seen this from the start (and just now viewing the aftermath) I think your actions are the reason this all happened, and you need to take responsibility for that.

 

[JColt]

Lynn, Please take my advice. Just say you are sorry and admit that what you did was wrong. You are young and screwed up. Many can forgive that. I'm 52 and have had my fair share of screw up's and it's rough to admit it I know. Continuing to argue will only hurt you more in the long run. Eventually this thread will fade and you can work on getting back into good graces of other breeders by showing maturity.

 

[Mystic Exotics]

This continues to bother me. I know that the gecko community is pretty tight, but is there really a gecko mafia that would shut out someone because a particular person was displeased with him? Are 'well known breeders' at the beck and call of these people?

I've looked into some gecko threads from time to time because I think these little guys are adorable. Mostly I've seen people proud of their critters and discussing how to take care of them. I've never seen anything like this.
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I have heard of this happening, but the person/people involved are not what I would consider one of the respected breeders out there, and as a few have mentioned, there's so many out there, that even someone who has created somewhat of a following, they cannot blackball someone from ever getting a gecko.
The breeders I consider well-known would not pull these childish stunts.

While there may be a small handful of "fans" who might be inclined to join their vindictive little boycott, I have to assume that the threat is based mostly in bluster and bravado. Their little FB gang doesn't appear to be any different from any other high school clique whose members feed into each other's delusions of grandeur and efficacy. The high school analogy seems very fitting, since it appears that their ringleader is little more than a petulant child whose simply too accustomed to getting her own way. What they tell each other doesn't necessarily have any basis in how things work out here in the real world. Some noteworthy Bad Guys are still in business simply because there are many people who will sell to anyone whose money is good. With that in mind, I doubt their embargo will amount to a whole lot.

While I agree with your point here, bullying like this can do damage, & she & her "fans" need to know that it will not be tolerated in the reptile community. That is why I posted in the thread. I normally sit back & observe, but because of the bully stunt she pulled by asking people to email the OP, and her actions following it, I chose to add my post.

She's lucky the police have not been involved, because they do not take cyber bullying lightly.

 

[Darkshadow1005]

I'm glad I saw this thread.
Out of all that I've read here over these past two days, the thing that 'put the nail in the coffin' for me ever buying from her was the threats and insults of people's geckos.
I could care less about how 'high end' your geckos are, or how many friends you have in 'high places' I care about your attitude.
Saying that some one has bad geckos and will never sell in this business again?
Way to insure you don't do business again either. :/
*my two cents*

 

[Acurit1]

You may know some of the people here and most of them you may not. A lot of people's reputation are destroyed here and a few are saved. I know. As much as you try to correct your mistakes, it shaddows your actions for many years. A simple lie can be escalated enough to destroy your character. Some people will stalk you until you make that fatal error.
This was was petty.. This should have been resolved in a more cordial manner.
There are gecko thugs that flock together to bash other breeders behind a keyboard. Just look at the forums they belong to. If that is what you have started and become (a bunch of thugs that bully one person), then I am afraid that these "big breeders" you speak of never taught you much about your animals and took your money without educating you. Good luck and may you recover from this. Oh, and if you don't mind me asking, "Who are these big breeders you speak of?"

 

[eyelashexotics]

Are you guys kidding me? When was it posted anywhere in this thread that I threatened him like that? When did I say anything about "big breeders" or any of that crap? Read the damn thread before you start posting things you don't know about people you don't know. If you don't care enough to read the entire thing, then by all means, don't post in it because of what you "think" was said.

I did not threaten him. I did not say I knew big breeders, I did not say I was going to "blacklist him" and I didn't send anyone to do that for me, as you can tell, I'm pretty open with the things I say, I really wouldn't need anyone to do my dirty work as I'm more than willing to do that myself. What I have said on my personal page has nothing to do with my business and I frankly don't care about the opinions of people who have nothing better to do than sit and judge other people that they don't even know.

I posted something I shouldn't have on facebook, asking my friends specifically not to send hate mail. Deleted it within maybe twenty minutes because I realized it was going to start drama after talking with a friend of mine. Didn't even think about it at the time.

I didn't want the domain, I didn't want to take his name from him, I didn't want to ruin his business, or whatever else you all are saying. My intent is the same as I said about ten times now, if you didn't care enough to read it then go back and do so.

I also apologized for what I had posted, once on facebook and once on here, and he refuses to accept it because he insists I'm just out to get him. I have too much bullsh*t going on in my life to plot some crazy scheme out like this.

At this point, I would probably have admitted if I had attempted to "send my minions to attack him", as it would put an end to this unbelievable amount of insanity that is going on. But I've said all I need to say. I'm not going to lie and say I did something stupid and apologize for something I didn't do just to shut you all up.

Reptile people are legitimately insane. I admitted this whole thing was incredibly immature and unprofessional on both our parts, on the very first page of this thread. But somehow nobody can comprehend the things I type. So feel bad for whoever you want, I'm not going to get upset over losing the approval of people I didn't know in the first place.

 

[Bad Obsession Reptiles]

You may not have said anything about "big breeders" but someone did because you asked people to email.him (and we've still seen no evidence of you ever saying anything about no hate mail). As an outsider reading your FB page, you claimed his business was "brand new", implying that he copied you. (At least how I took it). I'm my opinion you are responsible for their actions, you poseted that to over 600 people. Do you really know them all to know what they might say to an innocent person in another country? If I were you I would take responsibility for everyone's actions who were trying to help you out, and stop being so rude. Kindness goes a long way and this did not have to be blown up like it was.

 

[reticguy76]

Your age speaks volumes in this thread and all over your FB page. People take up what you give out. While you say you are not going to get upset over losing the approval of people you didnt know in the first place, everybody here are (or were) potential future buyers/traders/sellers. You will learn this state with age and maturity, when you lose prospective customers, loyal customers are soon to follow. Loyal customers eventually will read this and begin to migrate to away.
"Reptile people are legitimately insane". What does even mean and why would you say that on a reptile based forum ? Another prime example of your age/maturity showing

 

[Kita]

No, you're obviously going to tell people here what you think they want to hear in the hopes that you can blow this off.

Thankfully I had not yet been blocked from the business page because my sister was reading all this for amusement and looked up Lynn's EE facebook page (only that one since I'm blocked from her personal page where such trashy commentary belongs).

I wouldn't believe or take any apology from Lynn since she seems to be finding such amusement in all this. That's incredibly mature and professional to be posting directly on a business. I bet these posts get deleted before very many Fauna people can look up the business page and confirm it for themselves.

 

[eyelashexotics]

You may not have said anything about "big breeders" but someone did because you asked people to email.him (and we've still seen no evidence of you ever saying anything about no hate mail). As an outsider reading your FB page, you claimed his business was "brand new", implying that he copied you. (At least how I took it). I'm my opinion you are responsible for their actions, you poseted that to over 600 people. Do you really know them all to know what they might say to an innocent person in another country? If I were you I would take responsibility for everyone's actions who were trying to help you out, and stop being so rude. Kindness goes a long way and this did not have to be blown up like it was.

Considering I deleted it and didn't think I'd need screenshots, I don't have proof that I posted that I didn't want hate mail but I know certain people DID read that but I can't make them drag their names into this thread, considering everyone is afraid to be involved unless they're wagging a finger at someone, in fear of getting their name dragged through the mud over the opinions of people who weren't even part of the initial argument. Not to mention if I DID have anyone vouch for me, everyone would accuse me of being a liar anyway.

I'm rude now because I'm over it.<b> If you were me you'd take responsibility for their actions?</b> Go back like seven pages, where I ACTUALLY DID THAT and told him I never intended for it to end up like this.

This threat was sent after the drama started- I could have very well threatened him myself if that was what I wanted. This had nothing to do with my initial post. He never even saw it. Like I said, it was up for around ten minutes before I took it down, realizing it was going to have the opposite reaction that I wanted. I DID email Bobby before I posted anything on facebook, which he did not care to mention.

This "threat" was someone attempting to defend me because I was being cursed at on my own business page - I didn't know about this whole "threat" about "big breeders" and "blacklisting", and I certainly didn't ask for it. That has nothing to do with me and I EVEN APOLOGIZED TO BOBBY FOR THAT BEFORE, when I really shouldn't have to.

<b>Will someone PLEASE take the time to read this entire thread before they post and try to tell me to apologize?</b>

 

[Misskiwi67]

I read the entire thread - 14 pages of drama - all because you impulsively thought it would be a good idea to ask all your fans to e-mail someone who has the same name as you. You didn't take the time to consider your actions, and now you have a permanent black mark on Fauna (and facebook) because of it.

No, you didn't intend for it to happen this way, but this is what you get. I hope you learned something and I hope you behave in a more professional manner in the future. Deleting your comments wasn't, and still isn't, good enough.

FYI, your apologies are coming across as insincere and argumentative. The way I read it, the only reason you are sorry is because you got called out. You should be groveling for forgiveness at this point, and doing whatever it took to make reparations. But instead you make excuses here, and create more drama on facebook. Its all public, its a small world, and you are not acting like an adult or a business owner and everyone here can see it except you.