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Fred Albury... BUYER BEWARE!!! BAD GUY!!!

Im not a big fan of the way these guys have been going about things but they do make one good point. It seems that it takes posting in public to get a response out of Mr. Albury. In my books that's just not right. you shouldn't have to air dirty laundry in order to get what is rightfully owed to you. He has stated that he takes full responsibility for his mistakes but that has a kind of hollow ring to it. It sounds more like good P.R. rather than an actual attonement. Just because someone has a good rep in the business doesn't mean he can't be a bad guy.

Ross Buskard
 
Good enough. You want proof? You got it. Fred told Landon that he couldn't entertain him in a certain post, and I quote, "due to a death in the family, that of my brother". Then he claims it was a step brother when he found out they were white, yet still he maintains that it is just one step brother when in fact two brothers and a daughter of one of the brothers was on that flight. Why would he not mention them. I can't wait to here the reasoning on this one! Anyway, here are links to two articles with pics. You be the judge(I use that term loosely). My apologies Ken. So long.


http://www.bahamainfo.com/print/299551641031071.php

http://www.thenassauguardian.com/national-local/284435963558340.php



Chris Kennard
 
Good points. I await Fred's reply to this. Should be interesting.

Ross Buskard
 
Should say, / national-local/

oh well. You got what you wanted Ritchie. Proof! Take care. Goodbye.


Chris Kennard
 
That's cool that is what I was asking for somewhat.

So basically when you say you have been warning everyone what a scammer he is....were you talking about 2003 or 2002?
 
The second link still doesn't function... least it didn't for me.

What exactly in that news story proves that Fred was lying? We've gone very sideways about the actual issue here but it's apparantly the topic as long as Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumbass here can abide by at least the basic rules so...

I didn't see anything in the news story that proved these individuals were unrelated to Fred, which is the contention that is being made.

No "There are no surviving relatives." No "Only know surviving member of the family is..." and No "These people are not related to Fred Albury"

So tell me exactly what that was supposed to prove... I've been awake for two days so maybe I'm just missing something obvious.
 
ONE LAST TIME...

Once again, the point is being missed. Yes, it did finally become necessary to bring this information out in the open in order for me to get satisfaction in the agreement Fred and I made almost a year ago. I will not feel guilty or that I was unreasonable in doing so. Case closed.

Also, as I mentioned a few PAGES ago, Fred has agreed to settle this once and for all, by the end of the week, and I have agreed to this.

As far as I am concerned, unless Fred renegs on his promise, this issue is closed. There is nothing more to say.

How dare other posters call into question the reasons fred has given me for not shipping? How dare you question the death of someone's relative, especially when it is in no way germane to these proceedings nor to the original reason I posted here. I don't care business-wise if California fell off the face of the earth; I paid good money and expect to receive what I paid for. That's all, PLAIN AND SIMPLE!!!

This will be the last time I log onto this website until either the deal is done, or is not done on the date Fred and I agreed on.

I suggest everyone do the same. Anything else is counterproductive and a waste of time.

Landon Johnson
 
Maybe I can shed some light

This thread is about Fred Albury's character. Can I trust him or not when it comes to buying snakes from him is the question. The plane crash is relevant because Fred threw that in Landon's face as another excuse not to send the snakes. Fred admitted that he should have sent the snakes already, but that doesn't make him trustworthy in the future. When you throw in the fact that he capitalized on a plane crash to keep Landon at bay, you have to realize that his character is extremely lacking. Look it up, Fred posted on ks 1/8, 1/9, 1/10/ 1/11, etc., etc. The crash was 1/8 and Fred never mentioned it until about 1/14, when Landon posted on the forum for a response. In so many words Fred, indignantly told him he hasn't been on the web because of his brother's death. Truth was, he was all over the web, and there was no mention of his brother's alleged death until he needed an excuse.

Chis Kennard posted an article that caused some confusion. The gist is that the three Albury's who died were Bohemian and they bear no resemblance to Fred. Furthurmore, in another article, surviving members or the family were listed, and Fred was not one of them. Most striking however is Fred's happy demeanor that shined through his posts on 1/8, 1/9, 1/10, etc. Go Figure.

Would you buy snakes from this guy?

Albert Applebaum
 
Although what you are saying, Chris and Albert, is all very interesting, and for me anyway tell a lot about someones charector, I do not think that it has to go on to this degree. Thank you for bring it to attention though.
On the other side, Ritchie is right. Fred was wrong and admitted it and now hopefully will rectify the situation soon.
It is good to know as much info on a person as possible before buying, but with Fred admitting he was wrong he needs not atone for anything else that does not have to do with what this site is about.
You have publicly let everyone know what you think of him, and if what you say is true then I am sure his rep will be hurt some. No need to dig it into the ground.
Now it is up to the people who read this to decide what kind of person Fred is or if any of us are willing to give him a chance or not. A mistake or two or a bad personality does not mean he does not care for his animals. Nor does it mean that this goes on all the time.
I personally would have to think hard on buying from him and definitely get my time frames right up front if I did.
 
Rozann says Fred is wrong -- she is level headed.

Ritchie says Fred is wrong -- he is defending Fred.


okay. thank you. that makes sense.
and yes Rozann IS level headed.
 
To Seamus...

Why don't you read my posts more carefully before you throw your little tantrums? The article states that there were three Alburys on the flight , two of them being brothers. Fred claims to have lost A brother on that flight, not two brothers and a neice. See where I'm going with this?Is any of this sinking in. You do the math. For the love of God, take a freekin' nap if your that tired! As for the rest of the crew, as much as you pretend not to know right from wrong and ignore the truth that is right in front of you simply for the sake of arguing against such a troll like myself, I think it's sad that you are sending a message to a couple thousand potential viewers that is a clearly distorted message. A perceptive child could read those e-mails and tell that they are misleading on Fred's part. It's clear that you guys are playing a game of wits here and that's okay...even entertaining at times. The fact of the matter is that Fred took money, didn't deliver, made false excuses that he will clearly NEVER fess up to, and is only now publicly addressing this issue because he was forced to. I don't believe there is an ounce of sincerity in his apology. I'd call it desperation. In any case, we will see what the future holds. Perhaps I will not be given the opportunity to come back and say I told you so. My apologies to the boss. I'm done.

The truth shall set you free!




Chris Kennard;)
 
Like I said Ritchie...........................

Rozann is level headed, but you need work. Rozann didn't attack everything I said in an attempt to discredit me for saying negative things about Fred. Obviously, she doesn't agree with my approach or with all the points I've made, but her response to me seemed to be very impartial, objective, etc. It didn't matter to her that I happen to be from PA like Chris Kennard. She didn't accuse me of being someone else. She understood that this isn't a court of law and she didn't reduce the word "proof" to the ridiculous, like you.

But most important Ritchie, Rozann acknowleged the obvious by stating: "I personally would have to think hard on buying from him (Fred) and definitely get my time frames right up front if I did".

I was made aware of this pathetic "transaction" 5 1/2 months ago, and I am personally sickened as I watch the months go by knowing that people continue to praise Fred Albury without regard to current events. When I heard about this thread I couldn't wait to chime in, not because I'm a stalker as you'd like to believe, but simply I'm rooting against the bad guy. Like I said, I'm certainly no fan of Landon, but he put it best (though he now seems to have forgotten) "Buyer beware of Fred Albury" - BAD GUY! Fred's had approximately 300 days and nights to write a check to Landon and make the whole thing go away, but "bad guys" don't think in those terms, especially when guys like you show your support for the "bad guy". Get it?

Albert Applebaum
 
Seamus - you've got to be kidding........

Landon suffered through 11 months of Fred's deceptive and evasive tactics. He painstakingly remained civil throughout the ordeal and ended up with nothing in return. He came on here and you and the establishment busted his you know what's so that he jumped through your hoops and presented his story in the proper fashion.

In return you acknowleged that Fred was wrong. How very big of you! But after hearing Fred's mock apology and promise to come clean (how big of Fred!), you swept 11 months of BS right under the rug as if everything was taken care of and nobody got hurt. It's a good thing for Fred that you didn't read those emails with your good eye! Anyway, as a "verteran" on this forum - you should be ashamed of yourself. But it's not your money so why would you care?

Albert Applebaum

Ps Hot off the press: here's your latest update: Neither Ann or Landon have received what they paid for (get it Seamus?)
 
Hello,
I think that this is a strange post and predictable when someone stands in a good light on the BOI. Right now this thread is a "Bad Guy" post wether Fred makes good on the deal tommorrow, next week, or never. This was in no way a loan to a friend. It took 11 months to get an apology and only after it was aired publically on the BOI. Hopefully the snakes will get sent out. Their also happens to be 2 cases with the same business at the same time. When does somebody's attitude (or post) ever effect a sale made where money was exchanged and no good's were received? This is not how I would want to worry about a transaction taking place, but apparently Richie would buy from him if we sent him the money. That statement to me sounds like hey, hes a good guy, just messed up the last 11 months... No worries, I would buy from him?
As far as people coming out and making statements about others in regards to bad guy posts. Isnt that what everyone does here consistently? Isn't that why Richie is called "The Ferret" (or whatever it is)? I've seen alot of times here where people bring information out that does not have to do with a specific deal, but shows the character of the person in question. Why would this be different. I think that a death of a family member is something that should not be aired out in public, but they have a very interesting point of view, and if they are correct, it would say alot more about Fred then I think anyone would want to know. These guys have shown their apparent dislike for Fred for whatever reason and they are entitled to post their opinions here. Did anyone post any proof whatsover that these 2 were the same guys? Oh.... It is allright for you to start airing IP's and making all these connections publically (without proof), but not o.k. for anyone else? I think Fred could prove these guys to be lieng or telling the truth more so than anyone. Why dont some of you detectives take all the information given and start deciding what you think is the truth? It seems that anything else is scrutinized to a T, well check up on this story... Or then state your opinion and move on. Defending Fred or attacking these guys with posts about their possible identity, or their motive, or their proof only keeps the thread going. Once you accuse someone they generally will come and answer questions and try and back themselves up.
Some might view this as an attack, but it is just what is apparent to me when reading this thread.
Thanks, Tom Baker
 
cheers

I wasn't going to post again, but I just had to say...Nicely put! That's the most common sense I've seen in this thread yet.:D





Chris Kennard
 
Oh.... It is allright for you to start airing IP's
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Can you show me again where I aired their IP? And also if I do air IP's it is because I have access to them. But go ahead and show me where I aired either of their IP

making all these connections publically (without proof),
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Without proof?
I said they were both in PA. Hit the profile for proof.
I said they both registered in June. Again hit the profile button for proof.
I said they both only posted in fred's thread. Hit the search button for proof.

I think saying they are both from pa and they both registered in June and they both only posted in fred's thread is a little different than coming to a thread and calling everyone a scammer without showing "somekind" of proof.

But since you are not able to see the proof. I will help you out.
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Or then state your opinion and move on. Defending Fred or attacking these guys with posts about their possible identity, or their motive, or their proof only keeps the thread going.
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Got it. a couple of guys who admit to never doing any business with Fred....who admit to not liking him because their feelings were hurt on a forum can come to a thread and accuse him of being a scammer? I am not allowed to ask questions because it will be considered an attack or considered as defending someone. And I am not allowed to ask for proof because stuff like that is not important and keeps the thread going. Got it.

That statement to me sounds like hey, hes a good guy, just messed up the last 11 months... No worries, I would buy from him?
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I once had a bad spot in my life. Someone ordered and paid for something in oCTOBER OF 2000 stuff happened to me one right after the other. I offered a refund many times because the stuff happening to me to prevent me from shipping was getting ridiculous. The refund was refused. Finally March of 2001 i was able to finally deliver. The people where very patient with me. I could have easily ended up a bad guy on the BOI.....but I did not because people were patient with me. So I totally understand the position that Landon and Ann are coming from. But I also understand the position Fred was at. And if my customer posted on the BOI...I would have had no choice but to admit the fact I was wrong....and if someone from a forums whose feelings where hurt started calling me a scammer......I would hope someone would ask them questions.

Long story short. They finally posted the aircraft story. After how many pages and after how many times I asked. This would have ended long ago if they would have posted that long ago. While the story does put a question mark....I find it dificult to ask about a persons family death. Specially if that person has a good track record and has not (that I was aware of) cheated anyone. But all I wanted was SOMEKIND of proof. I finally got it. Thanks
 
Okay, one last post...yawn. Where's your proof that I...

1) admit to never doing business with anyone?

2) admit to not liking him because my feelings were hurt on a forum???

Come on bro', PROOF, PROOF, PROOF!!!!

Fact is I never made either of those remarks.

The rest of your post is comparing apples to oranges. Enough said already. Let's just let the man of the hour speak...or not?
 
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